So then! Who is looking forward to NG2 and MGS4

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:06 pm

On a lighter note, forum has become rather filled with religion so lets bring back off topic gaming.

With both these exclusives set to hit the shelves in the coming weeks is anyone else excited? I might just have to buy a PS3 soon, MGS4 is as good a reason as any.

How is GTA4 by the way? I haven't been able to find a copy in local stock for the last few days.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:19 pm

I've already got my Ninja Gaiden 2 paid for and I bought a 360 last week. I can't wait.

junkeR · Post by **junkeR** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:33 pm

I've been waiting a long time for MGS4... I can't wait to finally finish the series and have all my questions answered.

I'm considering taking time off from work, shutting off my phone, and locking myself inside until the game is beaten without any interruption.

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:09 pm

Indeed, the wait for MGS 4 has been long, Snake Eater is still amazing. Its awkward that Snakes so old looking now, I just hope the character doesn't degenerate physically throughout the game. Still no evidence of MGS4 going multi-platform so its forcing me to buy a PS3 come July. I did the whole locked door thing for 2 days when I bought God of War 2, I'll definetly do it with NG2

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:06 pm

I'm looking forward to MGS4! Maybe I'll get a ps3 for it.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:17 pm

Turrican wrote:I'm looking forward to MGS4! Maybe I'll get a ps3 for it.

What's wrong with playing it on the old Commodore?!

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:27 pm

Super Laydock wrote:
Turrican wrote:I'm looking forward to MGS4! Maybe I'll get a ps3 for it.
What's wrong with plaing it on the old Commodore?!

True! Damn Kojima-san and his policy of exclusivity - cdtv port now, we demand!

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:43 pm

yeah.... I have been pretty much been waiting on these 2 this year exclusively. I have both reserved... NG2 hit 1st.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:44 pm

Turrican wrote:
Super Laydock wrote:
Turrican wrote:I'm looking forward to MGS4! Maybe I'll get a ps3 for it.
What's wrong with plaing it on the old Commodore?!
True! Damn Kojima-san and his policy of exclusivity - cdtv port now, we demand!

I'd vote for CD32... but damn, where's that petition site when you need it.

Beter yet, an MSX 2(+) sequel...

ForceDevice · Post by **ForceDevice** » Fri May 09, 2008 11:53 pm

Even though I don't have a PS3 and don't know anyone who does, I'm still dying to get my hands on MGS4. When it's out, I'll sell everything I have just to buy a PS3 if I need to. (and given the prices of consoles in my country, I will most certainly need to)

Moleculoman · Post by **Moleculoman** » Sat May 10, 2008 12:03 am

I'm really looking forward to MGS4 and Metal Gear Online. About damn time...

Unfortunately, I don't have a PS3 at the moment. Being broke sucks...

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat May 10, 2008 12:57 am

NG2 yes, MGS4 not all that much (lol realiztic war shootys)

jp · Post by jp » Sat May 10, 2008 2:41 am

I'll be snagging NG2 for sure.

Given that I hated the first two MGS games, even if MGS4 eventually comes to the 360 I'll be passing on that.

themachinist · Post by **themachinist** » Sat May 10, 2008 2:52 am

Never having played any MGS games (gasp), I picked up the MGS Essential collection for $30, good deal. I beat MGS1 a few weeks ago and am about 6 hrs into MGS2. Having a good time with it. The rumored MGS pS3 bundle would be perfect for anyone without a PS3 and wanting MGS4, since it includes PS3 (40 or 80 not sure), MGS4 and Dual Shock 3. I don't think I can fork over $500 though

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Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Sat May 10, 2008 5:39 am

Ed Oscuro wrote:(lol realiztic war shootys)

realistic huh? You never played a Metal Gear, evidently.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:14 am

Ed Oscuro wrote:NG2 yes, MGS4 not all that much (lol realiztic war shootys)

Same here. I've been looking forward to Ninja Gaiden 2 since it was announced. I waited to buy a 360 until now because other than that theres nothing I'm really interested in. I am having fun playing Crackdown though.

I don't think I could care less about Metal Gear.

jp · Post by jp » Sat May 10, 2008 6:58 am

Acid King wrote: I am having fun playing Crackdown though.

Crackdown is the shit!!!! I do hope they make another one soon, as much as I am enjoying GTAIV, I can't help but wish that I could pick up whatever car I flip over, jump to the next lane, put it down, and drive away at some ridiculous speed that sends all vehicles I hit flying 50 feet into the air.

All Crackdown needs are more missions, a star system for when you're in trouble with the law, and... some fights against other super-powered individuals.

Vexorg · Post by **Vexorg** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:58 pm

Unfortunately, it looks like a sequel to Crackdown isn't going to happen, at least not right now. One of these days I need to go back and find the last 12 agility orbs I'm missing...

As for MGS4 and NG2, I don't really have any interest in either of them.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Sat May 10, 2008 5:18 pm

I'll play them when they hit the bargain bin.

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:01 pm

UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:I'll play them when they hit the bargain bin.

Unless something crazy happens, I don't think I'll be playing either of those games until a long time from now either(or in the case of NG2, never at all).

Phil12 · Post by **Phil12** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:27 pm

MGS 4 is gonna be cool. For a while anyway..

No_not_like_Quake · Post by **No_not_like_Quake** » Sun May 11, 2008 3:22 am

NG 2 ya. Saw some footage and was impressed... rather liked the xbox one as well. Ryu's fighting reminds me a bit of how I picture Guts fighting in the manga Berserk.

MGS 2 turned me off MG. I think westerners do that stealth game play better.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun May 11, 2008 4:21 am

Turrican wrote:
Ed Oscuro wrote:(lol realiztic war shootys)
realistic huh? You never played a Metal Gear, evidently.

Okay, "gritty realism" in graphics, then.

Also, Kojima got some splainin' to do about Solid Snake getting the recessive genes. You see:

"Liquid you gots all the recessive genes" -> endgame -> "Oh Solid does"

Brown hair = dominant, blond = recessive

WOOPS

Vexorg wrote:One of these days I need to go back and find the last 12 agility orbs I'm missing...

Agility orbs? Sounds like Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness syndrome.

*doesn't like speed-ups*

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:11 am

themachinist wrote:Never having played any MGS games (gasp),

You ain't missing much.

I picked up the MGS Essential collection for $30, good deal. I beat MGS1 a few weeks ago and am about 6 hrs into MGS2. Having a good time with it.

Get ready, it's about to go seriously downhill (and yes, even more downhill than when the boat section finished, which is by far and away the best part of the game.)

I'm interested in MGS4, but I don't really know why. 2 & 3 stunk, I don't care what anyone says.
Hideo Kojima is not what he was in the snatcher days - he hasn't used modern technology very well. MGS1 (PS1) is still an awesome game, but by the PS2 the controls were fiddly and archaic (and frustrating), the graphics confusing and...red...and boring. His decisions are bewildering, literally (axe Snake for Raiden - wtf?!) and the storyline to MGS2 is utter, utter garbage. Totally pretentious, totally confusing wank that only a Japanese director with delusions of genius could do: doesn't have a clue about editing whatsoever (I bet half his crew were like "Ok Hideo, you have a thousand idea's for a storyline and plot twists here - lets start whittling them down to the best ones," No, says Hideo, "Let's try to put them all in, that'll really confuse people!".) Not quite the sense of judgement I would expect from a director held in such high regard.

Even Snake Eater was fucking painful. Working in a game store, we bought the game the night before release and took it home, all excited and that.
3 hours of cutscenes and about 30 minutes of unbearable realisation, it dawned on us that the the control scheme, still out of date since MGS1, had no overhaul at all - but the environment had become more technical. Not to be a pussy, we played the game on 'experienced in MGS' or whatever, only to find there's no FUCKING RADAR.
What the hell, it was a joke. Instead of being a stealthy killer super soldier, we're playing as this retard who seems to keep tripping up over his feet and then go running for the hills every two seconds. In fact, I remember it being farcical, and that we were actually in stitches at one point. It was like a really silly Monty Python sketch.
Although well directed, we were quickly bored stiff by all the cutscenes, and after 3 hours we looked at each other, and someone announced "...This is crap, isn't it?"

They hit the nail on the head really.

So yes, I'm interested in MGS4 - however I don't trust Hideo and his lack of editing skills not to conjure up some utterly bullshit plot-line that you hate because human beings aren't made to understand it. I also don't trust that the bloody PS3 control pad (see PS1 control pad) will be able to influence the game for the better, meaning we'll have more stunning visuals in which you play a frustrating, stilted game.

Hrmph, that's my opinion anyway, and you're all Hideo ass kissers if you think all of those points aren't valid.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:24 am

- but the environment had become more technical. Not to be a pussy, we played the game on 'experienced in MGS' or whatever, only to find there's no FUCKING RADAR

lol, try looking before you go running off somewhere.
Also, you watch the cutscenes? You can skip them with select or triangle or something.

Hideo Kojima is not what he was in the snatcher days

Yes, now he can manage to fit a game in there with the cutscenes.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:27 pm

Zebra Airforce wrote:
- but the environment had become more technical. Not to be a pussy, we played the game on 'experienced in MGS' or whatever, only to find there's no FUCKING RADAR
lol, try looking before you go running off somewhere.

Sorry Zebra, no-one's winning this one with me. The game is hideously broken. Stealth should be replaced with 'stilted'. I'm perfectly aware that you can 'look', albeit from a shoddy 1st person perspective, that often happens to be from a laying flat position which then seriously limits depth perception, and hinders the ability to look into distances.
Stealth is a great premise for a game, and worked like magic in MGS1. But Hideo did himself an injustice with the sequels. They're really not much fun to play.

Yes, now he can manage to fit a game in there with the cutscenes.

Oh so there's a GAME in there?! Jeez, I never realised.

Also, you watch the cutscenes? You can skip them with select or triangle or something.

I'm glad our faith in Hideo's storytelling abilities are aligned.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:43 pm

I'm perfectly aware that you can 'look', albeit from a shoddy 1st person perspective, that often happens to be from a laying flat position which then seriously limits depth perception, and hinders the ability to look into distances.

A small man is far away, a big man is close up. How much more info do you need? You don't have to catch them with a lasso, you just need to know which direction they're facing.

PROTIP: L2 + R2 in grass lets you see better

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Sun May 11, 2008 1:24 pm

I just see this mental image of someone trying to run from point A to B in the open expecting not to trigger any alarms or alert guards, then spending the next 2 minutes survivng a CQB onslaught.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sun May 11, 2008 1:28 pm

Look man, I don't think MGS2 or Snake Eater are very good games. They're flawed on several levels, and are frustrating, rather than a pleasure.

I liked Hideo's imagination with Snatcher, and just about everything actually up to and including MGS1. But the PS2 games are a let-down: Hideo is just too full of dodgy ideas and too full of hiimself.

MGS4 will struggle with that archaic control pad, but I hope that this time he listens to criticism, and the contributions of his team.

We want:

A massively simplified control system, that's 'fun' to use.

A much improved freedom of movement within the new look playground.

Keep the cutscenes, just cut them right down. All the waffle and nonsensical chat needs to go.

Hire someone else to write the story (please!). I have no problem with the unique, Japanese take on things, but I'd like a clear plot and a nice distinct ending that I understand.

Action! Give us some action! I want to be able to be stealthy, but also clear areas with heavy artillery in one fell swoop - at least some of the time.

And finally, some variety in the gameplay would be nice. Konami were always the company back in the 16bit era to really innovate conventional game design. I want the variety of action in Rocket Knight Adventures to appear in MGS4.

Thanks Hideo, ya bum.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Sun May 11, 2008 1:44 pm

Look man, I don't think MGS2 or Snake Eater are very good games. They're flawed on several levels, and are frustrating, rather than a pleasure.

Could you please explain what exactly is broken about it? All you said was that the cutscenes are too long (though apparently you liked them?), and that the game was "too technical". I'd be willing to bet, though, that you are a fan of Alien Soldier, a highly technical game with very complex controls that take a long time to come to grips with. What makes the fact that this game has complexity and depth a weakness as opposed to a strength?