When did they go wrong: Takumi edition.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:49 pm

Developed one of the best post-Toaplan Toaplan-shooters ever, Kyuukyoku Tiger II (well, not as good as Donpachi and Air Gallet, but maybe almost as good as Gekirindan), and the excellent reflect-em-up Giga Wing.

More recent efforts have been the unplayable eye-sore Night Raid and Giga Wing Generations which nobody actually played.

Where did it all start to go bad? I'd say with Mars Matrix, when, in an attempt to play with the big guys Cave and Treasure, they tried to cram reflecting, chaining and weapon levelling into one single-button shmup and forgot to calculate how many decimal points they should give the score counter. They kinda fixed things up with the DC port, but gave it horrible upscaled and filtered display, which of course not even a paraplegic monkey could stand looking at.

Maybe some of the resident Takumi experts can shed some light on this developers spectacular shmup failure?

Oh yeah, I hear they made a fishing game for Wii, which sounds really super cool! Has anybody played it?

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:50 pm

Takumi makes shmups!?

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:54 pm

They don't, but apparently they used to.

Who'da thought it, the developer of such Nintendo DS games as Elemental Monster and Miron No Hoshizora Shapon was once a shmup producer!

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:59 pm

I thought the fishing game was supposed to be for the Wii.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:08 pm

That's right. Typo.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:51 pm

Didn't read the first post, but the answer no Capcom partnership obviously.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:11 pm

Cave didn't start sucking after their Capcom partnership ended, so it must be another reason.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:14 pm

Cave didn't start sucking after their Capcom partnership ended

I disagree. Also, you're stupid.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:26 pm

Rob wrote:
Cave didn't start sucking after their Capcom partnership ended
I disagree.

Well, you're objectively wrong, since Ketsui and Espgaluda are both better than Progear, according to your poll.

Also, you're stupid.

If I was, I'd connect my DC with s-video.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:30 pm

R u fat.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:33 pm

That's a really lame shoesama imitation. Try harder.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:35 pm

CIT wrote:
Rob wrote:
Cave didn't start sucking after their Capcom partnership ended
I disagree.
Well, you're objectively wrong, since Ketsui and Espgaluda are both better than Progear, according to your poll.

Also, you're stupid.
If I was, I'd connect my DC with s-video.

now THAT was funny

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:38 pm

CIT wrote:That's a really lame shoesama imitation. Try harder.

I would never.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:41 pm

i thought shoe was rob's joke account

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:42 pm

No, it's the other way round. Rob is shoe's joke account.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:06 pm

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:17 pm

British humour.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:20 pm

Rob wrote:British humour.

I speak British. Coincidence? Hmm.....?

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:21 pm

Bally Jerry pranged his kite right in the how's your father. Hairy blighter, dicky-birdied, feathered back on his Sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harper's and caught his can in the Bertie.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:33 pm

FIL wrote:Bally Jerry pranged his kite right in the how's your father. Hairy blighter, dicky-birdied, feathered back on his Sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harper's and caught his can in the Bertie.

Over my dead body! Not even in the same ballpark. After all, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, at least in my neck of the woods.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:02 am

Hugging in Night Raid.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:21 am

Taito

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:33 am

Actually, the G-Net version of Night Raid is far superior to the port.

MOSQUITO FIGHTER · Post by **MOSQUITO FIGHTER** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:21 am

CIT wrote:Where did it all start to go bad?

Well, it all happened that one night in the Tiki Bar. It started out just fine and then everything went horribly wrong.

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:09 am

CIT who can't really avoid using Recap-like tones, and that's not a compliment wrote:

Maybe some of the resident Takumi experts can shed some light on this developers spectacular shmup failure?

Well, if you play on DC via some tweak on resolution, you can quickly get used to the graphics. I did*. Oh, and VGA (or whatever the name of the DC-to-PC monitor thingie is). Gameplay actually works fine on both Arcade and DC ports, insofar as one does not abuse auto-fire. In both versions, this will cause cumulative lagging in changing attack mode.

Please join our scoring competition!

*Frankly, Kyokyoku Tiger II is unbalanced weapon-wise and shows pedestrian use of scaling. Not the the four other guys were attractive at all, but F3** died in 1997 so I have stopped caring about decent graphics.
Is there a score compo around?
**Well, I would include Konami FGX*** (GFX?) stuff as well, but they limped off in 1996 or so...?
***Ah, ST-V as well, I can't think of specific shmups though. Not Radiant, it was officially 3D so****...
****Iteration, not recursion!

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:01 pm

What's up with the avalanche of "when did they go wrong" threads ? Is it some February tradition on this forum or something ? O_o

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