Shooting Game Tournament 2006

Post by **Shatterhand** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:35 am

every MSX emulator I used, even good old FMSX-DOS, had support for Joypad.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:39 am

*insert Icarus's "Excellent" frog here*

Thanks.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:51 am

Okay, gave it a shot, got up to level 4, no idea how far in that is...it's certainly not bad considering its age, but it's still got that trademark MSX "choppiness" (though not nearly as bad as some other games), so I'm not sure how much backing it'd get for a week of tournament play...there's also the lack of a scoring system to take into consideration.

(Off to the side, am I right to find the 3-way weapon nearly useless?)

Post by **Icarus** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:06 am

BulletMagnet wrote:*insert Icarus's "Excellent" frog here*

Getcherown damn frog! ^_-

Post by **Shatterhand** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:21 am

Level 4 is half of the game (it has 8 levels), but its when it beguns to get hard.

And set your emulator to MSX2+ to make the game smoother.

The 3 way weapon is useful at a couple of spots, but my 1cc runs at this game had always been using only the laser.

Notice that pressing the 2nd button (or the M key if playing on keyboard) change the direction of your option shots.

But being honest, I think some of the veterans here will eat this game on the breakfast. 2nd loop may be way harder though, I never tried it out.

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:46 am

Space Manbow is awesome. A 16-Bit remake on either the SFC or the MD would be considered a classic today, I'm sure. I don't know how well-suited for a competition the game is, but it's a hidden gem for sure.

[rant]

Stop whining already! Let Edge run his tournament the way he wants to and quit complaining about the fact that your favourite games don't get chosen. Also, pretending that you do this for purely "objective" reasons (like declaring which games will entertain the contestants for more than two days - highly subjective if you ask me) did get really old a few pages ago.

I think Icarus said it a thousand times already, but it's definitely worth saying it again: This is not about competing in your favourite games. You can do that all the time in the highscore threads. You could also run your own tournament in which you select the games that are going to be played.

Feel free to offer constructive criticism on the games nominated for a shortlist, but please refrain from childish comments like "OMG, I hated Star Force! Edge does a terrible job!", "This shortlist sucks! Why don't we have a XY week?". I'm sick of it. Thank you.

[/rant]

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:54 am

Gemini Wing

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:16 am

DEL wrote:Gemini Wing

Excellent choice, imo. This is a real gem, and very overlooked.

mulletgeezer · Post by **mulletgeezer** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:45 am

Gemini Wing didn't seem very good when i played it though i didn't spend much time playing.

I've had a go at Scorpius now, and i agree it's not too great. It seems interesting enough for further play but it's a really annoying game right from the start of the first level. not a gem.

Post by **Icarus** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:13 pm

OMG, I hated Star Force!
Edge does a terrible job!
This shortlist sucks!
Why don't we have a XY week?
^_-

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:16 pm

I really hope the vote comes out before noon tomorrow. I'm going to be out all weekend and won't be able to vote if it comes out later.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:17 pm

Geming Wing! Why didn't I think of that one?

Great pick !

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:23 pm

Uhm, not to bitch, but it's Friday people, when we're gonna confirm Gemini W...ehr, vote for the next game?

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:54 pm

Huh - I could play Gemini Wing on the amiga - then again Starforce NES was refuted in the tournament, so I guess that rules out all the ports....

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:52 pm

Yeah, this vote will probably be a tight squeeze on time again. I haven't seen a pm, so the list is on the backorder it seems

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:27 pm

Strike Gunner (arcade) is nearly unplayable without an autofire beyond the current allowed (5) and has really dodgy hit detection.

Air Buster - No scoring system to speak of besides shoot enemy

Cybattler - Life bar, game doesn't really rip on you until 7 minutes in

I'm going to put up a defense for Air Gallet since Rob's retraction didn't seem to take effect -- there's a time-medal based scoring system, and it's also very difficult to survive in though it's mostly attributed to the hitbox being nearly your entire ship and some pattern holes being only slightly bigger. Oldschool!

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:33 pm

mulletgeezer wrote: I'm sure Takumi games don't really rot brains but their games are not to my taste and what they did with the sequel to Kyukyoku Tiger appals me deeply (another slight exaduration there , but i do find it a horrible soulless sequel to a very significant game.) Scoring by Dragon Shot is ok but i think they could have made more of it and i don't like the way DB encourages the player to Dragon Shoot for score at the expense of shooting in the old fashioned manly way, which i was really conscious of as i watched Rob's replay.

I'm sure no one wants to talk about DB; everyone wants to talk about the next poll. With that said:

I see your point in each case. First, I wouldn't say I dislike Kyukyoku Tiger II, but (as Rando once put it to me) it's a bit like Raiden III, a bit disappointing given what came before. Still, I think Gigawing and its sequel are both pretty amazing, among the best games of their time, even if I completely suck at them. One of these days I'll get a respectable score in GW.

As for the dragonshot, I've gotten accustomed to games that have you rely heavily on a nonstandard weapon, like Shiki II. What makes the dragonshot a bit more tedious than, say, Kim's swords, is that you have to be constantly shooting it out and retracting it. But it adds nice strategy that you can leave the head out there to catch coins or do the special shot.

As for the point that DB doesn't punish enough for mistakes, I see the point. Then again, I wouldn't want all games to require a real strict, precise plan and execution. The sort of chaining Ikaruga involves is clever, but it feels a bit contrived and constricting at times. Only for certain moods.

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:47 pm

Twiddle wrote:Air Buster - No scoring system to speak of besides shoot enemy

It's called "effective use of weapons."

But yeah, I don't think it would be good for this week's comp either. Too easy for the top tier players.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:59 pm

professor ganson wrote: What makes the dragonshot a bit more tedious than, say, Kim's swords, is that you have to be constantly shooting it out and retracting it.

Yes, what's really annoying is the dragon/game not recognizing a second button push. It really throws off the groove. In one spot it also seemed to recall without another button push almost every time. Also annoying.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:32 am

so.. get with the new poll already

Post by **Icarus** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:05 pm

Leaving it a bit late for the voting, aren't we fellas? -_-;;
Or is there a problem with compiling the shortlist?

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:57 pm

Rob wrote:
professor ganson wrote: What makes the dragonshot a bit more tedious than, say, Kim's swords, is that you have to be constantly shooting it out and retracting it.
Yes, what's really annoying is the dragon/game not recognizing a second button push. It really throws off the groove. In one spot it also seemed to recall without another button push almost every time. Also annoying.

I had these problem as well, and, yes, it really does throw off your rhythm, timing, and mind-set. I usually blamed myself, but there were a few cases where I was sure that it wasn't my fault.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:14 pm

Icarus wrote:Leaving it a bit late for the voting, aren't we fellas? -_-;;
Or is there a problem with compiling the shortlist?

Yeah, how are namakoteam going to wait until the vote is already decided this week?

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:15 pm

Icarus wrote:Leaving it a bit late for the voting, aren't we fellas? -_-;;
Or is there a problem with compiling the shortlist?

Yeah, it happens. Our bad.

In accordance to little signature jokes in tiny font spanning a few words long that coincide with the current shooting game week, here is the voting page for "Hidden" "Gem" "Week"

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=10951

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Cast your vote without excess trolling today and rioters will receive a complementary pitchfork and pre-lit torch!*

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*may not actually include pitchfork and pre-lit torch

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:41 am

i'm so sorry i missed out on all the fun

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:19 pm

Apologies again to my team fellas - for being out of contest this week too.

Guys, the only Cave game I own is DDP - I guess that means I'll be out from the upcoming week too!

howmuchkeefe · Post by **howmuchkeefe** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:46 pm

I'm afraid I'm not doing too hot this week. I restarted every ten to sixty seconds for an hour and a half straight yesterday before I ran out of patience.

I'll give it another go today.

It's the pressure, I know. Chatty, unavoidable intros aside, this game reminds me of Strike Gunner STG, which I played a lot of back in the day.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:55 pm

howmuchkeefe wrote:this game reminds me of Strike Gunner STG, which I played a lot of back in the day.

Don't let Rob hear you!

howmuchkeefe · Post by **howmuchkeefe** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:07 pm

Uh oh!

Did I do something even worse than voting for R-Type Final?

EDIT: I played the SNES version of SG:STG. We called it "Strike Gunner: STD". Sometimes "SBD".

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:51 am

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