What if 911 was a conspiracy?

[sethsez]

I remember lividly, that on the GameGo (or TNL) forum I was threatened to be kicked out because "this was no time to be asking questions - people know were in those buildings" - so one of the GameGo founders told me.

When people have loved ones who die, it's not the best time to get into a debate with them about the causes.

It's not the best time to react rashly either (which the country did), of course, but you can't just go blustering about when a bunch of people had friends and relatives die in a major catastrophe. Just because it didn't affect you personally is no reason to act like a cunt. Give people their mourning time.

It's one thing to question the government and start meaningful debates about important issues. It's another thing to act like an obnoxious, inhumane asshole to people whose friends and family were killed just so you can show off how un-brainwashed you are. They don't have to go hand in hand, believe it or not.

[Never_Scurred]

^^^Real talk.

[sethsez]

Unless you're poor, a soldier in the armed forces, or a political prisoner, you have no reason to complain.

You have a reason to complain if you care about the future of this country and world politics in general. Apathy is not something to be championed.

That said, you also have the responsibility to understand what you're complaining about and make sure your complaints are realistic and relevant. This is the part too many seem to miss.

[Twiddle]

Unless you're poor, a soldier in the armed forces, or a political prisoner, you have no reason to complain.

You have a reason to complain if you care about the future of this country and world politics in general. Apathy is not something to be championed.

"If you can post on internet forums, you are rich enough to have no reason to complain."

[The n00b]

Unless you're poor, a soldier in the armed forces, or a political prisoner, you have no reason to complain.

You have a reason to complain if you care about the future of this country and world politics in general. Apathy is not something to be championed.

"If you can post on internet forums, you are rich enough to have no reason to complain."

Yeah don't complain until it's too late for you to even vote. I remember a story about the nazis going around some time ago. People stood back and watched while the nazis went after people and countries. All they did was watch while whispering "at least it wasn't us." The nazis stole and killed these people one by one while the number of bystanders got smaller and smaller. Powerful stuff.

If you're into apathy, go ahead and party down. That's your right. If you want to be a soldier, that's your right too. Contrary to popular belief, nobody puts guns to American soldiers heads and forces them to do what they do. So get off your high horse there, buddy. Same deal with political prisoners.

If complaining on an internet forum about politics is all you can do, go for it. I'd rather you did something more useful like voting, marching, or at least getting informed about a cause but whatever. At least complaining on the internet has gotta be as useful as putting a bullet through the head of some poor guy half a world away at the behest of some greedy coked out president.

[Never_Scurred]

I'm not saying people should be apathetic, but damn, it seems like the people who do the most bitching about Bush and the War aren't the ones who are the most affected by the policies he stands by. I mean I don't think the war was necessary either but I don't care since its not written anywhere that I hafta be over there(yet). If it wasn't for the war and 9/11 i'm almost sure most of these kids wouldn't have anything to complain about. Myself, instead of running around like the sky is falling, i'm going to college and actually trying to make the best of the situation. Nothing that Bush has done to my knowledge has affected my shortterm. As long as he doesn't fuck with my college plan and my immediate livelihood then i'm straight.

I'm suprised this topic hasn't been locked yet...I guess ShmupsForum ain't scared of political discussions.....

[chempop]

Besides, the American government has supported Saddam and the Taliban in the past, just like they have supported militant groups in other countries for their own trading benefits

Good point, people fail to remember (or weren't informed) how the US has armed both sides of Iraqi and Iranian wars.

Unless you're poor, a soldier in the armed forces, or a political prisoner, you have no reason to complain.

Yikes, this is a frightening attitude. You realize the US is on the brink of a depression, mainly because of where our tax dollars are going. If you pay taxes or ever plan on having children, then there is reason to complain. I'm really doubtful that the US can recover from this one. And while we fuck things up in the middle east the rest of the world is actually taking steps forward.

Ignorant Americans who still think this is the strongest nation in the world are really starting to get to me. If this country cared about the 4000 (give or take) people who died in the twin towers, then they would provide healthcare for it's citizens. But no, we just keep sending in young kids to the middle east who are getting their fucking heads chopped off, for the love of the nation. And you say we have no reason to complain, go back to your hole and stay there.

[Never_Scurred]

Besides, the American government has supported Saddam and the Taliban in the past, just like they have supported militant groups in other countries for their own trading benefits

Good point, people fail to remember (or weren't informed) how the US has armed both sides of Iraqi and Iranian wars.

Unless you're poor, a soldier in the armed forces, or a political prisoner, you have no reason to complain.

Yikes, this is a frightening attitude. You realize the US is on the brink of a depression, mainly because of where our tax dollars are going. If you pay taxes or ever plan on having children, then there is reason to complain. I'm really doubtful that the US can recover from this one. And while we fuck things up in the middle east the rest of the world is actually taking steps forward.

Ignorant Americans who still think this is the strongest nation in the world are really starting to get to me. If this country cared about the 4000 (give or take) people who died in the twin towers, then they would provide healthcare for it's citizens. But no, we just keep sending in young kids to the middle east who are getting their fucking heads chopped off, for the love of the nation. And you say we have no reason to complain, go back to your hole and stay there.

But other than talk, whats your contribution? You're gonna take one of these kids who feels they can't afford to go to school and thus has to join the service and give him a scholarship?....Are you gonna come down to the clinics and help a single mother pay for child's treatments? Are you gonna go and mentor a kid so he doesn't turn to a life of crime and poverty? Are you gonna give an ex con a job so he can make good? Are you in the VA hospitals tending to the wounded vets coming home? I mean, how has all this affected you directly as opposed to someone who is oversees wishing they never enlisted? Its all liberal lipservice......Like I said, if it wasn't for 9/11 and the war, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[chempop]

But other than talk, whats your contribution? You're gonna take one of these kids who feels they can't afford to go to school and thus has to join the service and give him a scholarship?....Are you gonna come down to the clinics and help a single mother pay for child's treatments? Are you gonna go and mentor a kid so he doesn't turn to a life of crime and poverty? Are you gonna give an ex con a job so he can make good? Are you in the VA hospitals tending to the wounded vets coming home? I mean, how has all this affected you directly as opposed to someone who is oversees wishing they never enlisted? Its all liberal lipservice......Like I said, if it wasn't for 9/11 and the war, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Those are all great ideas of how people can help the situation. As a teacher, role model, and mentor, I help students realize what they are capable of and how there are more options out there than the status quo lifestyle.

I used to hustle on the streets and participate in unlawful activities. People I know were jailed, beaten, robbed, shot, and some even killed over drugs and revenge. It is sad to think of what has happened to some of my best of friends, but I chose to find a new path. I chose to develope my talents, work hard at what I love to do, and believe in myself. I help students realize their dreams, find ways of meeting their goals, and live a healthy positve lifestyle. Even though I am broke and struggling every day to get by, it doesn't matter because my career will only grow as time goes on. I am effecting people's lives every day, and for that I am blessed and thankful.

[Never_Scurred]

But other than talk, whats your contribution? You're gonna take one of these kids who feels they can't afford to go to school and thus has to join the service and give him a scholarship?....Are you gonna come down to the clinics and help a single mother pay for child's treatments? Are you gonna go and mentor a kid so he doesn't turn to a life of crime and poverty? Are you gonna give an ex con a job so he can make good? Are you in the VA hospitals tending to the wounded vets coming home? I mean, how has all this affected you directly as opposed to someone who is oversees wishing they never enlisted? Its all liberal lipservice......Like I said, if it wasn't for 9/11 and the war, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Those are all great ideas of how people can help the situation. As a teacher, role model, and mentor, I help students realize what they are capable of and how there are more options out there than the status quo lifestyle.

I used to hustle on the streets and participate in unlawful activities. People I know were jailed, beaten, robbed, shot, and some even killed over drugs and revenge. It is sad to think of what has happened to some of my best of friends, but I chose to find a new path. I chose to develope my talents, work hard at what I love to do, and believe in myself. I help students realize their dreams, find ways of meeting their goals, and live a healthy positve lifestyle. Even though I am broke and struggling every day to get by, it doesn't matter because my career will only grow as time goes on. I am effecting people's lives every day, and for that I am blessed and thankful.

Damn, our lives are identical. Same story as yours. I'm pretty much 180 degrees different from who I used to be and i'm trying my hardest to move myself as far away from that past as I can. Putting myself through college is a bitch but i'm glad that i'm struggling towards a real goal instead of sitting around on the porch getting blowed and wondering my life is so jacked up. Thats something I try to instill in my lil cousins cause kids that age are impressionable and follow whats in the music and on the tv so if I can show them that you don't hafta piss your life away cause everyone else around you has done so then i'm satisfied.

[Koa Zo]

I remember lividly, that on the GameGo (or TNL) forum I was threatened to be kicked out because "this was no time to be asking questions - people know were in those buildings" - so one of the GameGo founders told me.

When people have loved ones who die, it's not the best time to get into a debate with them about the causes.

It's not the best time to react rashly either (which the country did), of course, but you can't just go blustering about when a bunch of people had friends and relatives die in a major catastrophe. Just because it didn't affect you personally is no reason to act like a cunt. Give people their mourning time.

It's one thing to question the government and start meaningful debates about important issues. It's another thing to act like an obnoxious, inhumane asshole to people whose friends and family were killed just so you can show off how un-brainwashed you are. They don't have to go hand in hand, believe it or not.

Yeah, that's a good one. Well put.
Don't jump to conclusions and assume that my intention of meaningful discussion had any semblance of cuntitude.
-dude

[sethsez]

When you say it happened repeatedly and you knew that people there had lost loved ones and were still extremely raw about the entire situation, yes, it does become quite cunty. The first time can be a mistake, but by the second time you knew damn well what you were doing.

You realize the US is on the brink of a depression ... I'm really doubtful that the US can recover from this one ... And while we fuck things up in the middle east the rest of the world is actually taking steps forward.

Alarmist much? This is why "crackpot" gets thrown around. Constant hyperbole and cries of "this is the big one!" don't have the effect you think they do.

[Koa Zo]

When you say it happened repeatedly and you knew that people there had lost loved ones and were still extremely raw about the entire situation, yes, it does become quite cunty. The first time can be a mistake, but by the second time you knew damn well what you were doing.

Oh, right. Well excuse you.
You clearly misread my post. Nowhere did I say that it happened repeatedly. Nor did anyone say they they had lost loved ones.

[sethsez]

I raised the question pretty frequently in the days and weeks after the attacks

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"people know were in those buildings"

[Koa Zo]

I raised the question pretty frequently in the days and weeks after the attacks

...

"people know were in those buildings"

Yeah, right (again). Take a look at the rest of the shit you put in my mouth.
You're a real spinster.
"I raised the question pretty frequently",... yeah so what does this have to do with the next block of text where I talk about posting on the forum?

In the context of the forum, the poster who claimed he knew people who worked at WTC could quite easily be thought of as an exaggerator. And he surely had a penchant for dropping connections to the big Apple, simply to stroke his self importance. As things played out, it was clear he had no tragedy to cope with on that day.
None-the-less, I'll have you know, the subject was promptly dropped on that forum for the very reason you so eloquently detailed in your first response to me. I only made one post about it. Simply and straight forwardly asked why were we attacked?
Now correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), but it seems to me that perhaps you're the one being a cunt here?

[sethsez]

"I raised the question pretty frequently"
...

I only made one post about it.

One of these things is not like the other. One of them does not belong.

So which is it? Did you raise the question frequently, or did you only raise it once?

[Never_Scurred]

I raised the question pretty frequently in the days and weeks after the attacks

...

"people know were in those buildings"

Yeah, right (again). Take a look at the rest of the shit you put in my mouth.
You're a real spinster.
"I raised the question pretty frequently",... yeah so what does this have to do with the next block of text where I talk about posting on the forum?

In the context of the forum, the poster who claimed he knew people who worked at WTC could quite easily be thought of as an exaggerator. And he surely had a penchant for dropping connections to the big Apple, simply to stroke his self importance. As things played out, it was clear he had no tragedy to cope with on that day.
None-the-less, I'll have you know, the subject was promptly dropped on that forum for the very reason you so eloquently detailed in your first response to me. I only made one post about it. Simply and straight forwardly asked why were we attacked?
Now correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), but it seems to me that perhaps you're the one being a cunt here?

Rakim sez..


Chill, Let the rhythm hit 'em

[Michaelm]

Nothing that Bush has done to my knowledge has affected my shortterm

If you are an American then you can be damned sure that Bush has affected your life. Try going on holiday to the east for the next 10 years and see how long you'll last.

Like I said, if it wasn't for 9/11 and the war, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I strongly disagree !
You'd still have Bush who in my opinion has done more damage than the 9/11 attacks.
Even without those attacks America has lost a lot through Bush.

[Koa Zo]

"I raised the question pretty frequently"
...

I only made one post about it.

One of these things is not like the other. One of them does not belong.

So which is it? Did you raise the question frequently, or did you only raise it once?

c'mon now, you're smarter than that.
I raised the question pretty frequently IRL.
I made one post on a forum asking the same question.

[The n00b]

"I raised the question pretty frequently"
...

I only made one post about it.

One of these things is not like the other. One of them does not belong.

So which is it? Did you raise the question frequently, or did you only raise it once?

c'mon now, you're smarter than that.
I raised the question pretty frequently IRL.
I made one post on a forum asking the same question.

I think your shoelaces got caught in the peddles while you were back peddling.

[Koa Zo]

One of these things is not like the other. One of them does not belong.

So which is it? Did you raise the question frequently, or did you only raise it once?

c'mon now, you're smarter than that.
I raised the question pretty frequently IRL.
I made one post on a forum asking the same question.

I think your shoelaces got caught in the peddles while you were back peddling.

Back peddling about what?..
I'm just telling it like it was. Sorry my sentence structure led sethsez to combine two seperate statements into one.