HDFury questions and Feedback please

[bateman82]

You don't have to push the FW to it's limits. While I haven't tried I'm sure that a PS4 Pro looks stunning on a FW900 in 1080p.

Do you think I will have the same "underscan effect" show in this video: only with a XPC-4 or Silicon Optix Image Anyplace and the fw900? Just like the BVM-D24E1U?

these are CRTs with complex geometry controls. You can adjust the under/overscan any way you like.

Thanks!

I have a pvm 2130qm (I like its softer look) and (maybe) in the near future a 2950q.
Since I've got two fw900 is it still worth hunting down a BVM 20 inches like the BVM-20F1E or is it better to pair the fw900 (looks more similar to a BVM, same tube, with a scanline generator) with the pvm 2950qm?

I've onlye used the Xpc-4 with my x68000 on a Lacie 22 Electron IV (no scanline needed) and I read in your review that is kinda hard to align scanline with the Xpc-4. Do you think is worth buying a external scanline generator?

vs the "2304x1440" max resolution of the fw900

As I said earlier, you can use CRU on PC to create any resolution you wish, within the limitations of your monitor. The FW900 can technically output 4K interlaced, though due to the dot pitch it won't be nearly as sharp as a 4K TV.

In regards to the PS4 Pro, as others have said, just set it to 1080p and you'll still get some impressive picture quality from the super-sampling.

But I have to ask, why use PS4 pro when 95% of the games will also be released on PC?

With PC, you will have the ability to select whatever resolution works best for you, thanks to CRU, as well as whatever frame rate you wish. For example, I'm currently playing Battlefield 1 at a locked 45fps at 1680x1260. In CRU I created a 1680x1260 @ 135hz interlaced resolution, and then capped the frame rate to 45 in-game. 135/45=3, so I get perfectly smooth frame-pacing, with decent input response. I'd like to do more than 45fps but that's the best a single Radeon 380x can do with a decent resolution and Ultra settings.

Once crossfire support is incorporated, I'll be able to use my second 380x to hit way higher frame rates, and I'll create a new resolution, something like 1792x1344@75hz will be the new sweet spot for that game.

I'm using one of my fw900 as a pc monitor for the very same reason (multiple resolution and refresh rate), but I'm tired of pc gaming.

I was a teenager in a golden age for videogame (Thunferforce iv on my MD and almost the same year DooM on my first pc) and pc gaming now is not my stuff anymore.

So I'm trying to use my beloved monitor with my WiiU, 360 (Cave) and retro console.

[BazookaBen]

I grew up with consoles too, but the PS4 and Xbox One are just small PC's anyway so I figured I might as well just own a PC. It basically has the best version of console games. A recent example is Metal Gear Solid 5. On PC you can run it at higher than 1080p and have better lighting, geometry, level of detail, and post processing effects.

For the Wii U, component out to a RGB transcoder looks great, or you will need to get an HD Fury 2 or later, since Wii U only outputs limited RGB over HDMI, so that would need to be converted to full range. HDMI is needed for surround sound also.

[bateman82]

I grew up with consoles too, but the PS4 and Xbox One are just small PC's anyway so I figured I might as well just own a PC.

I'm agree with you 100% , that's why nowadays I prefer Nintendo (even if I was a Sega kid back then). And a Ps4 only for BloodBorne and Last guardian, of course

For the Wii U, component out to a RGB transcoder looks great, or you will need to get an HD Fury 2 or later, since Wii U only outputs limited RGB over HDMI, so that would need to be converted to full range. HDMI is needed for surround sound also.

I'm planning to buy a Hd Fury just to hook up my WiiU, I've read about the limited range on hdmi on avs forum. Do you think is it better component?

[BazookaBen]

I'm planning to buy a Hd Fury just to hook up my WiiU, I've read about the limited range on hdmi on avs forum. Do you think is it better component?

In theory, component would be better, assuming it is full range. It definitely looks good on my monitor running through a transcoder. But I've never played it through HDMI so I can't say for sure. If you read through this thread though, people running it through an HD Fury 2 are also very satisfied with the results.

And yeah, I will eventually have to break down and buy a PS4 to play Last Guardian, but I'll probably wait until it's $200 like I did for the PS3 and Journey.

[bateman82]

Ahaha good move!

[Alf]

Sorry to necro like this, but didn't want to open a new thread.

I'm looking for a good quality HDMI to VGA DAC that can do 240p.
Can Fury 2 or 3 do that?

[BazookaBen]

Sorry to necro like this, but didn't want to open a new thread.

I'm looking for a good quality HDMI to VGA DAC that can do 240p.
Can Fury 2 or 3 do that?

Probably, if you run a very high horizontal resolution.

I'm unaware of any adapters that can run straight 320x240, and I think it's more an issue with the HDMI spec than any DAC.

So you'd have to run 2560x240 or some such.

What's the use case? If it's PC, you're better off doing CRT Emudriver from a card with analog output

[orange808]

Sorry to necro like this, but didn't want to open a new thread.

I'm looking for a good quality HDMI to VGA DAC that can do 240p.
Can Fury 2 or 3 do that?

Probably, if you run a very high horizontal resolution.

I'm unaware of any adapters that can run straight 320x240, and I think it's more an issue with the HDMI spec than any DAC.

So you'd have to run 2560x240 or some such.

What's the use case? If it's PC, you're better off doing CRT Emudriver from a card with analog output

How have you tested this hypothesis?

[BazookaBen]

How have you tested this hypothesis?

You mean that HDMI connections can't do low SNES-like pixel clocks?

Not personally but it's well documented. Lots of people have tried it

I used to think it was the DAC but I've recently read that it's usually that the HDMI output of the PC glitches out at the super low dot clock

But like I said, not super important since there are still millions of GPUs that have analog output to be had for basically no money

EDIT: Holy shit I just saw how old this thread is

To give you guys an update, I did eventually play Last Guardian on my CRT with an HD Fury. But it was a PS4 Pro (which I think we were not aware of at the time of this thread?) so it was quite a nice experience. The game wasn't quite as engaging as Shadow of the Colossus but overall I enjoyed it very much.

Though that was pretty much the only game I played on a 2D screen. Most of my PS4 Pro hours were logged on Wipeout Omega in VR, along with Astro Bot and Resident Evil 7

And I did stick with my plan and got the PS4 Pro for about $140 by purchasing it from someone who just bought a PS5!

[Alf]

What's the use case? If it's PC, you're better off doing CRT Emudriver from a card with analog output

My previous setup was a mini PC with CRT emudriver but now I've switched to Mister and went with the direct video HDMI output (didn't even buy an IO board).
So the resolution is native 240p.
I bought a Rankie DAC since some people were praising it. Works fine so 240p over HDMI is definitely possible. But now I'm reading all sorts of debates about black crush and other nasty stuff.

[BazookaBen]

Oh, I don't know about black crush. That's probably more an issue with configuration. I know black crush can happen with super duper cheap DACs, but usually, in my experience, it's from a person running limited RGB on a full RGB DAC, or vice versa.

I think HD Fury 2 auto-detects limited vs full RGB, so maybe a problem could arise from that.

[BuckoA51]

Both HD Fury 2 and 3 handle 240p and 288p just fine. Everything from pass through on an OSSC classic up to the experimental DV1 mode on the Pixel FX PS1 Digital/GEM works fine with the HD Fury 2, while the HD Fury 3 struggled with the DV1 PS1 (I think because of inherent jitter in the PS1s sync) but seems to work with everything else.

If your intent is direct video from Mister and you've decided you want a HD Fury rather than chance a cheaper dac, I'd get a HD Fury 2 if you can find one but HD Fury 3 should still work if you can't.