The PS4 thread

[HydrogLox]

Do you think PS4NEO games will carry a +$10 difference to offset these costs?

I guess some companies will use any excuse to hike prices - though there are limits as making PS4 games universally more expensive than Xbox One games could drive late majority adopters and laggards towards the Xbox One. My concern would be that (Base mode) quality is going to suffer despite any upward price adjustments.

Sony repeatedly reminds developers that the frame rate of games in NEO Mode must meet or exceed the frame rate of the game on the original PS4 system

There is a real danger that "Base mode" will become "Ghetto mode" if developers broadly adopt a "NEO mode" first, rather than "Base mode" first development strategy. If so, games will probably look/be no better than pre-NEO titles but require "NEO mode" to operate a that level of quality while "Base mode" will take a significant quality hit. At that point the NEO upgrade becomes more or less mandatory for post-NEO titles. If it turns out that "Base Mode" is consistently worse than the equivalent Xbox One titles non-loyal customers could decide to switch altogether rather than upgrade. Having superior hardware is all about potential but ultimately the burden of realizing that potential falls onto the game developers. "NEO mode" may not lead to an improved gaming experience at all but may simply allow developers to get away with less refined and optimized code.

[broken harbour]

PS4 NEO:

1) I don't understand why Sony feels the need to do this while they are absolutely dominating the console war this generation, it boggles me.

2) I can't see it out selling the base PS4, so developers won't be making ghetto versions of games to run on a OG PS4, they will develop with the base model in mind, and then maybe throw in maybe higher res textures or a 60fps mode for NEO owners. Sony seems to know that you can't fragment an audience like Sega did in the 90s.

3) The reason behind an upgrade PS4 push might be PSVR, a normal PS4 is juuuuuuust barely able to provide an ok VR experience, compare it to say an HTC Vive, which requires your PC be able to provide a 90fps experience over two 1080p screens, it's obvious the regular PS4 just can't output that kind of performance. Sony seems to be putting a lot of stock into VR (a mistake in my mind, tho I haven't tried any of the VR helmets coming out.)

4) I'd imagine developers won't like developing the same game for 2 iterations of the same hardware, if the dev's don't get behind it, it will fail and we'll see a PS5.

5) If I'm wrong and dev's do get behind it, and it sells and Sony makes money on it, then the console cycle is dead forever and it'll be a similar business model as say the iPhone, where you get a slightly better one every other year.

[Udderdude]

I am sorely regretting not selling my PS4 as soon as the rumors started up. It now has the resale value of a soggy burrito.

[HydrogLox]

I can't see it out selling the base PS4.

I'm expecting manufacture of the base PS4 to stop when they spin up NEO production as I suspect that the NEO is actually cheaper to manufacture. If so, the supply of "originals" is going to be limited to warehouse and store supplies. Store shelf space is precious so they'll either be "sent back" or sold off in a flash to be replaced with regular priced NEOs.

they will develop with the base model in mind, and then maybe throw in maybe higher res textures or a 60fps mode for NEO owners.

In a perfect world I would agree. However only developers limited to the original dev kit would be forced to stay with "Base mode" - and for all we know Sony may recall the original dev kits to be replaced with NEO dev kits. Laziness under the guise of efficency will tempt everybody to move forward with the additional breathing room of the "NEO mode" because

I'd imagine developers won't like developing the same game for 2 iterations of the same hardware

... so they choose the "NEO mode" because it will tend to be more forgiving and they might get product out of the door faster, planning to patch "Base mode" later (which may then never happen).

Sony seems to know that you can't fragment an audience

I think the whole NEO affair actually puts this statement severely into question.

then the console cycle is dead forever and it'll be a similar business model as say the iPhone, where you get a slightly better one every other year.

Trying to pull a stunt like that could also inadvertently re-invigorate Valve's Steam Machine business if Valve chooses to exploit the situation. Valve has no direct interest in hardware sales, however if they established relevant hardware classification benchmarks they could

• certify the performance profile of a Steam Machine
• identify the performance profile required for the games being sold on their service
• classify the performance profile of the customer's uncertified hardware (and associate that capability with their account)

With that information game developers could decide upfront which performance class/profile to target. Aim low to go against the largest installed base or aim high because people with money to burn will pay big bucks for a single game. From the customer perspective the time to upgrade is then dictated by the type of games you want to run.

[Some-Mist]

I am sorely regretting not selling my PS4 as soon as the rumors started up. It now has the resale value of a soggy burrito.

I'm actually in the market to buy a ps4, but yea... I'm looking for those soggy burrito prices.

the main game plan right now is to wait until Q4 to get confirmed last guardian and ni no kuni 2 release dates, and then hopefully see a decrease in price after the new PS4 is officially announced/promoted.

[Domino]

Bump time: Is the PS4 still ok to have if just into 2D or arcade style games? I saw Rez and Assult Suit Leynos getting physical releases and saw some 2D game releases and shmups on the PS4.

I been just keeping in PC which for the most part will be best for my needs. However, GF want to watch movies/Netflix, etc. and this could be a two-in-one combo. Too bad can't play PS1 titles I purchased when I had my Vita. : (

[Shelcoof]

Bump time: Is the PS4 still ok to have if just into 2D or arcade style games? I saw Rez and Assult Suit Leynos getting physical releases and saw some 2D game releases and shmups on the PS4.

I been just keeping in PC which for the most part will be best for my needs. However, GF want to watch movies/Netflix, etc. and this could be a two-in-one combo. Too bad can't play PS1 titles I purchased when I had my Vita. : (

Probably not worth the purchase if its just 2D arcade style games. I think Assault Suit Leynos will get a STEAM release I'm sure.
Also PC has Netflix as well.

PS1 game on an HD screen just looks ugly.. stick to Vita or an old CRT

Get a PS4 if you just want to boot up and play... it is a nice all in one device honestly.
Though the hardware is showing its age... that or developers are too lazy to optimize the hardware\

If your going to get a PS4 wait for the NEO

[Domino]

Probably not worth the purchase if its just 2D arcade style games. I think Assault Suit Leynos will get a STEAM release I'm sure.
Also PC has Netflix as well.

PS1 game on an HD screen just looks ugly.. stick to Vita or an old CRT

Get a PS4 if you just want to boot up and play... it is a nice all in one device honestly.
Though the hardware is showing its age... that or developers are too lazy to optimize the hardware\

If your going to get a PS4 wait for the NEO

I don't have a tube TV and I sold my first gen Vita a little while back (which I am now saying DOH).

The Neo sounds good just I am looking for more of an entertainment box for the GF and also with gaming.

[evil_ash_xero]

Anyone had a chance to play that Nioh demo, a while back? There's a new one coming up, that's supposed to have some changes to it, due to player feedback.

I was just wondering if it was good or not. I've heard positive stuff, but some people think that it was way too difficult. I'm sure that'll change, if that's the case.

[Shelcoof]

I don't have a tube TV and I sold my first gen Vita a little while back (which I am now saying DOH).

The Neo sounds good just I am looking for more of an entertainment box for the GF and also with gaming.

If your looking for just an entertainment box suggest PS3? I use my PS3 a lot more for Netflix and Youtube than I do my PS4.
System and games are Dirt cheap at the moment for the PS3.

Only get a PS4 in my opinion if you just want to play the latest mainstream games and most of them are already on PC anyways.
Library for the PS3 is a lot more diverse and unique than the PS4.

Just saying but hey getting a PS4 at this time isn't bad either

Anyone had a chance to play that Nioh demo, a while back? There's a new one coming up, that's supposed to have some changes to it, due to player feedback.

I was just wondering if it was good or not. I've heard positive stuff, but some people think that it was way too difficult. I'm sure that'll change, if that's the case.

Yhaa played the demo... there is a ton of potential there. The game kicks your ass for sure. I was pretty disappointed with the graphics and frame rate. I'm very anal when it comes to eye candy and the game looks like a PS3 game. But my no means the game looks like crap or anything..... my buddies think the graphics are fine so yhaa lol.

[Domino]

After thinking about it I went ahead and Pre-Order Assault Suit Leynos and Rez Infinite physical preorders.

I'm like this: If I change my mind on the PS4 then I can sell the titles still sealed. The XBOX One has better hardware and co-exist with Windows 10 however not enough software I want to play on it. No VCR for me.

[Shelcoof]

After thinking about it I went ahead and Pre-Order Assault Suit Leynos and Rez Infinite physical preorders.

I'm like this: If I change my mind on the PS4 then I can sell the titles still sealed. The XBOX One has better hardware and co-exist with Windows 10 however not enough software I want to play on it. No VCR for me.

Regardless if you get a PS4 Assault Suit Leynos is worth owning for sure at 30$CAD [20$ USD?]

[Domino]

After thinking about it I went ahead and Pre-Order Assault Suit Leynos and Rez Infinite physical preorders.

I'm like this: If I change my mind on the PS4 then I can sell the titles still sealed. The XBOX One has better hardware and co-exist with Windows 10 however not enough software I want to play on it. No VCR for me.

Regardless if you get a PS4 Assault Suit Leynos is worth owning for sure at 30$CAD [20$ USD?]

$17.11 USD since I have Amazon Prime. Even if it isn't the greatest the price for a physical it isn't half bad.

So I was on my friend's PS4 and I installed Arcade Archives Gradius (I still have my PSN account). Really good for plug in play. Hooked up my XBOX One Hori joystick via the Brooks XBOX One to PS4 converter and everything was smooth sailing.

If I can have an entertainment box for my titles and the GF can just use it for watching shows/movies, etc. then it is worth having a box where I don't have to sit on my computer chair to play video games.

[ZellSF]

http://store.iam8bit.com/products/rezin ... ysicalgame

Rez physical copy preorder. Pretty expensive and their shipping isn't cheap either, so even if it's limited to 7500 copies it's not getting sold out fast.

[Shelcoof]

Played Rez on the original Dreamcast back in the days and when they released it on Xbox live I played it to death there too.
I even passed up owning the physical version for the Xbox 360 when it was included in the Qubed collection.

I haven't been paying much attention to this PS4 Rez version.

Can anyone tell me if its any different than the Xbox 360 HD port?
Only info I'm finding is there there will be "New Original Content" whatever that means and of course VR support.

[BulletMagnet]

I recall that the Qubed port stuttered at certain points (most notably when flying down the "hallways" right before a boss) - not to the point of unplayability, but for a game so reliant on its visuals it stuck out more than it might have otherwise. Hopefully this version doesn't have the same issue.

[Shelcoof]

Is the Qubed version the same version that was released on Xbox Live? I don't' recall any stuttering on the Xbox Live version.
Then again its been ages ago since I last played it.

[BulletMagnet]

I believe it is; it could also be because I installed the disc to the hard drive to keep it from making all that noise (which, in this particular case, was only partially effective), so there could be a variable I'm missing.

[Immryr]

The 360 digital version always worked perfectly for me. I've preordered this despite its relatively high price, but I don't have it in any physical format so I figure it's worth it.

I'd love the vinyl soundtrack too but that is a little over priced for me.

[Shelcoof]

So let me get this straight about Rez Infinite Physical for the PS4.

The Physical Disc version is exclusive only to the iam8bit site? We're not going to see this anywhere else?

I was thinking about picking it up if it showed up on Amazon or something but I dunno anymore.

[Skykid]

This PS4 NEO thing could well make this the last conventional console generation. By upgrading hardware in the middle of the cycle, you're effectively switching to a smartphone style business model.

It makes some kind of sense - the only thing left to do these days is try to keep up to spec with PC hardware in a console environment. Because that's incremental, so too should be your console hardware upgrades.

Eventually older models will stop supporting newer games however, much the same as iOS and older iPhone models.

[Shelcoof]

New PS4 slim? That's a shocker

http://gematsu.com/2016/08/rumor-ps4-slim-images-leaked

[evil_ash_xero]

Playing the demo of Nioh, for the first time. This has a lot of potential.

[evil_ash_xero]

Did anyone play the beta of Nioh? I was playing that non-stop, for the whole time it was available. Of course, a lot of that time I was helping people out, online.

Interesting mix of Dark Souls and Ninja Gaiden. It looks like Onimusha as well.

[Shelcoof]

Did anyone play the beta of Nioh? I was playing that non-stop, for the whole time it was available. Of course, a lot of that time I was helping people out, online.

Interesting mix of Dark Souls and Ninja Gaiden. It looks like Onimusha as well.

No... I only played the first beta that was released. So... any more thoughts about the game? You buying?

[Immryr]

I played the beta and I loved it. Only thing I wasn't keen on was I thought the camera was a little too close or low down or something. But that was only a minor complaint. I will definitely be buying it.

[evil_ash_xero]

Did anyone play the beta of Nioh? I was playing that non-stop, for the whole time it was available. Of course, a lot of that time I was helping people out, online.

Interesting mix of Dark Souls and Ninja Gaiden. It looks like Onimusha as well.

No... I only played the first beta that was released. So... any more thoughts about the game? You buying?

Unless I hear something drastically bad, I'll be buying. I had a great time with it.

Thoughts? I like the Ki regen thing, it has going on. I like the different stances. I also like the emphasis on action. It seems pretty interesting. We'll just have to see how the full game turns out. There's a lot of differences from the alpha demo to the beta demo. However, I didn't play the alpha.

[evil_ash_xero]

Any thoughts on the PS4 Pro?

It gets grief, but I am curious if it will help stabilize some of my games' frame rates (I'm looking at you, Evil Within). Some people say it will, and some people say it won't without a patch (they are guessing, obviously). I think the XBox One S is a good example, where it does improve the frame rates (due to the overclocking), but not for everything. And the Pro will be a much bigger improvement than the XBox One S.
I guess we'll have to see what Digital Foundry find out about it, when it releases.

I don't have any interest in 4K or VR. I just don't care that much about bleeding edge HDTV technology.

[gameoverDude]

With PS4 Pro, I'm not that concerned about 4K. Give me a stable, tearing-free 2K@60 FPS before 4K@30 with dips.

I think the smartphone model is good considering PS4 is essentially a specialized PC. Compatibility is maintained with older PS4 games, and hopefully PS3 game emulation can become viable sometime. PC ports for PS4 will probably have two tiers of settings- one based on Medium-High for old PS4s, and VH-Ultra for Pros.

[orange808]

With PS4 Pro, I'm not that concerned about 4K. Give me a stable, tearing-free 2K@60 FPS before 4K@30 with dips.

I think the smartphone model is good considering PS4 is essentially a specialized PC. Compatibility is maintained with older PS4 games, and hopefully PS3 game emulation can become viable sometime. PC ports for PS4 will probably have two tiers of settings- one based on Medium-High for old PS4s, and VH-Ultra for Pros.

Ultra in new PC games will be designed to push the GTX 1080. This modest PlayStation upgrade can't handle that kind of load.