The Revolution controller, revealed at last

Moogs · Post by **Moogs** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:30 pm

Kind of interesting how that mock-up has four shoulder buttons.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:39 pm

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:It seems to me that Nintendo is heading towards the "WOW" effect of Virtual Reality worlds and experiences...yes, "experiences", beacuse they sure won't be "traditional" games as we once knew.

What's a "traditional" game? Because as far as I know, gaming has spanned text adventures, first person shooters, Tetris and its ilk, strategy (both turn based and real time), flight sims, gun games, racing games, platformers, shmups, Japanese RPGs, western RPGs, etc, etc, etc.

What binds them all together into one big cohesive "traditional" chunk? Certainly not the input method, since we've covered light guns, d-pads and analog sticks, joysticks, keyboards, and mice. This thing really seems to just be Nintendo's attempt at a 3D mouse that you can use with your TV anyway.

And honestly, why should games stay "traditional"? We've been there, we've done that, and as much as some people like to dig in their heels once they reach a period they enjoy and never leave it again ("music was so much better in the early 90s," "games today can't touch ones from the mid 80s," etc), the rest of the world isn't going to accommodate them. The 360 and PS3 exist for "traditional" games... they're not going anywhere.

And just a general comment... people here constantly complain that the only advancements these days are games getting prettier (I disagree with this, but let's leave it at that for now), so here's a product that does try to innovate, and the immediate reaction is "oh no, how am I going to play all those games I said I was sick of in all the other threads?"

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:31 am

sethsez wrote: What binds them all together into one big cohesive "traditional" chunk?

Games without requisite tennis elbow.

And just a general comment... people here constantly complain that the only advancements these days are games getting prettier (I disagree with this, but let's leave it at that for now), so here's a product that does try to innovate, and the immediate reaction is "oh no, how am I going to play all those games I said I was sick of in all the other threads?"

In like 2 days this remote has become the controller equivalent of GBA's "2D oasis." Oh, it's "different," does anyone remember the Gamecube? Boring idea after boring half assed game. A make believe flashlight will not save them. I'm not going to play boring PS3 sequels, but this isn't the answer.

So you can swing a sword like for real, well the game with the sword swinging in it will have to be interesting and I don't think the "virtual reality" element will make up whatever ground they've been missing in their brainstorming sessions over the past 5+ years.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:18 am

Although I agree with that (Zelda with manual sword swinging is still Zelda), I'm at least hoping that it'll result in things like Meteos and Kirby Canvas Curse as well. The content will still have to be up to snuff, but that goes without saying, really.

howmuchkeefe · Post by **howmuchkeefe** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:43 am

I'm no Nintendo fanboy... in fact, I planned to buy the PS3 first, the 360 second and then the Revolution. I still might do this, but this controller of Nintendo's seems to have the potential to be really freaking cool. Yeah, I think I'll buy it before I buy the not-really-backwards compatible, milk-me-for-money at every conceivable opportunity 360.

The controller seems to obviate gun peripherals, which could mean that quality Duck Hunt/Area 51 type games will make a comeback.

It might allow the Revolution to be a viable RTS platform. It might make all the PC addicted Halo haters rethink their stance on console FPSs. It might even revolutionize shmups.

I can't wait to see how well it works and how it's used.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:46 am

I just want to try Zone of the Enders with it.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:12 am

howmuchkeefe wrote: The controller seems to obviate gun peripherals, which could mean that quality Duck Hunt/Area 51 type games will make a comeback.

You don't like the Guncon/2 games? Time Crisis > Duck Hunt

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:16 am

Does Time Crisis have a dog who laughs at you when you miss?

I DON'T THINK SO

Moogs · Post by **Moogs** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:40 pm

sethsez wrote:I just want to try Zone of the Enders with it.

I've been thinking the same thing; you know Kojima is gonna come up with something awesome and original for this thing, but Zone of the Enders seems like it would be well suited for it, too.

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:18 pm

Have you guys played Die by the Sword? You control your sword with the mouse.

MovingTarget · Post by **MovingTarget** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:35 pm

Thats fuckin wierd!

Fuck knows if it'll be a success or not though, anytings possible.

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:58 pm

Thats actually one hell of a controller, with multiple possibilites, dam I like it this vmu from the future. Maybe nintendo could be intuitive with this.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:48 pm

It looks obscene.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:07 pm

Zone of the Enders? I REALLY want to spin my entire body around at 400rpm just to throw enemies harder....

Even at work, the only thing people seem to talk about is how awesome a lightsaber game would be. Uhm...any other ideas? Not really.

It's weird, I'm getting thrown this way and that over whether this thing is actually cool.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:15 pm

iatneH wrote:Zone of the Enders? I REALLY want to spin my entire body around at 400rpm just to throw enemies harder....

I... don't see why you'd have to?

It works like a 3D analog stick. Think of it that way, not as an "extension of the body" thing. To spin around fast, you'd turn the stick to the side a bit, or twirl it. Why you think you'd have to spin in circles is beyond me.

MadSteelDarkness · Post by **MadSteelDarkness** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:12 am

Specineff wrote:It looks obscene.

I knew there was reason why I liked it.

But seriously, I've got a "wait and see" attitude about this one. It looks like a terribly bad idea, but I would like to try it out before I pass judgement.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:45 am

I just came across this today.
That looks more like a TV controller!

How are you supposed to play games on that?

I think the AMIGA CD-TV had something similar back in 1990...?

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:14 am

Have you read up on it or just looked at pictures?

it looks stupid. It sounds interesting. At least to me.

Danny · Post by **Danny** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:21 am

Well if you don't like the device at lest you can still use the GC contorllers!

But lets hope the the devlopers run with this thing and create many intresting new concepts for us to enjoy/bitch about on forums!

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:26 pm

When I first saw it, I thought, "WTF the hell is that?!?" It looks like a frickin' remote! Don't tell me that Nintendo spent millions of dollars and that's the best the controller designers can do?!?

Seriously, what's up with the crap controllers for the next-gen. The PS3 "Boomerang" was ridiculous enough, but now we have the Revolution "Remote." It's as if all the controller designers except the ones at Microsoft all suffered brain damage. (Or M$ bribed them to make bad controllers on purpose).

Revolution my ass Nintendo, you are no longer the wonder company I used to know when I was a kid.

Of course, I'm still going to hold my judgement until the actual thing is out. Innovation is one thing, alienating your customers is another.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:07 pm

FatCobra wrote:The PS3 "Boomerang" was ridiculous enough, but now we have the Revolution "Remote." It's as if all the controller designers except the ones at Microsoft all suffered brain damage.

1st time agreeance. It's like the XBOX360 is the only appealing console design-wise. And of course the games will be shit for originality. What is it all coming to?

Post by **undamned** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:41 pm

sethsez wrote:it looks stupid. It sounds interesting.

Word.
-ud

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:54 pm

@ all bitching about "this is the end of Nintendo" blah blah blah...

http://www.livejournal.com GET ONE OF THESE INSTEAD.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:24 pm

sethsez wrote: [
b]And just a general comment... people here constantly complain that the only advancements these days are games getting prettier (I disagree with this, but let's leave it at that for now), so here's a product that does try to innovate, and the immediate reaction is "oh no, how am I going to play all those games I said I was sick of in all the other threads[/b]?"

haha I just wanted to say that sums it up nicely. And I am sure we will still get a fair share of 2D games on the Rev, people thought 2D would be extinct when the current gen was about to surface way back in 2001. The Cube had a better selection of 2D games than the N64 ever did and U.S. gamers even get Cube ports of games like Ikaruga and Chaos Field which would have normally stayed in Japan.

That said, I wouldn't wanna play Metroid Prime using the "remote,"/free hand analog set up, but at least I can use the controller shell if I want. Then again maybe I would wanna play Metroid with the free hand set up, who's to say what this thing really feels like if none of us has actually tried it?

And if I wanna play 8 or 16-bit games I can just turn the "remote" on its side.

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:34 pm

Rob wrote:
FatCobra wrote:The PS3 "Boomerang" was ridiculous enough, but now we have the Revolution "Remote." It's as if all the controller designers except the ones at Microsoft all suffered brain damage.
1st time agreeance. It's like the XBOX360 is the only appealing console design-wise. And of course the games will be shit for originality. What is it all coming to?

Don't really know, don't really care about the next-gen. I'm building a computer so I can play GOOD games and old Nintendo games again.

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:15 am

What the hell. I really like Nintendo, and have very fond memories of them, but they must WANT to get their asses kicked by developing a controller like that. Looks like nothing more than a joke. Makes you wonder who approves these ideas... "Yeah, okay...so let's make it look like a remote control, then run a little cord out of the bottom. That gives it uh...speed, yeah speed. Oh, and let's make it two pieces, because we're being creative. This is WAY better than our SNES pad! LOLROFLMAOIRLASL We rule!"

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:00 am

sethsez wrote:Have you read up on it or just looked at pictures?

it looks stupid. It sounds interesting. At least to me.

Well, a bed of nails looks uncomfortable, so it probably is.

My biggest issue with next-gen consoles, is durability. Nintendo has done a great job here, but the same can't be said for it's competitors.

Sony and Microsoft simply have GOT to build longer-lasting, more durable consoles. There is simply NO reason why someone should have to go through 4 or 5 XBOX's or PS2's, regardless of the model, because they fail all of a sudden for no apparent reason, or because of a damn power cord re-call. I haven't been through this, but regardless, it's nonsense given the level of technology we're currently at with gaming. For !@#$%#@!$%'s sake, I've heard from people who own Neo Geo CD systems, have owned them for over a decade, and had NO problems.

If Microsoft and Sony don't learn from their current consoles, then, regardless of how uncomfortable the Revolution controller probably is, the system itself may just come out the winnner. And more and more people will probably keep going back to older systems that actually have some durability.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:58 am

I don't see what's uncomfortable about it. If there's a problem, it's most likely functionality related. As far as comfort goes this looks absolutely fine.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:16 am

Damn this board is full of cynics. Think Prime, with a controller that simply tilts to look around. I say again - it's an alternative to keyboard/mouse. What's so wrong with that? I'm sure Nintendo care that everyone here thinks Revolution is fucked before it begins. They aren't here to take on Sony or MS this time around, FORGET THAT. They're here to carve out their own niche, as long as they're making money, they can afford to do that. This is supposed to be a companion mahcine to either of the standard next-gen contenders IMO. PS and X360 are the machines in direct competition, Ninty have casually sidestepped that, and for the best I reckon. How's about we actually wait and see what Rev has to offer before writing it off?

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:48 am

VG Cats has spoken and therefore it's official. The Revolution controller sucks.