Internet shitstorm of the week

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nasty_wolverine wrote:from why internet commenters will eventually end the world
shitmydadsays wrote: "I'm not talking about you. I'm speaking fucking globally. If you can't handle some pissant writing something nasty about you, then I failed as a father. What I'm trying to say is, don't it trouble you that there's a whole generation of people growing up that just say whatever the fuck they want, without any consequences?"

"I don't know, that's just the internet," I said.

"Don't you get what that means, though?"

"Not really," I replied.

"Jesus H. You're a bright kid but you sure like to wear an asshole's costume every once in a while. It means that the future leaders of your country, I say your 'cause I'll have long decomposed, are gonna be people that have absolutely no experience with actual confrontation. Thirty years from now the President of the most powerful country in the world is going to be some little shit who sat at his computer and hurled insults three feet away from his mommy's tit like it was no big deal. I don't condone fighting, but when a human being understands that his or her actions might result in a giant fist up his or her ass, he or she learns a thing or two about acting before they speak. All I'm saying is, I'm glad I'm going to be dead. Also, happy birthday. That's why I called."
Oh, the age old rant about a younger generation having bad manners. I think I'd rather have a president who was merely an asshole than the bullshit artists we have as leaders now.

People saying mean things on the internet is only a big scandal if you are a control freak, or a journalist with nothing of real importance to write about.
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Here are a couple of good articles on gamergate:

A black perspective on Gamergate:
http://linkis.com/www.dailykos.com/sto/3YVIq

The Gender Games, Part 2: Videogames Meet Feminism:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 24375.html

They are quite a bit more well thought out than skykid's and the mainstream media's juvenile attacks.
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DrVenom wrote:The Gender Games, Part 2: Videogames Meet Feminism:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... ism_124375.
Nice to see adults writing articles/posting every once in a while. By far the best article I've read on the topic. Thanks.
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Still incredibly fucking boring. Women have the power when it comes to sex, men have almost none, some men are butthurt over this state of affairs and either want burkas all around or robot women (not too sure about which, they never specify); news at eleven.

The only thing of value to come out of this news story has been A Good Cartoon's recent coverage.

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Otherwise, it's less interesting then umbrellagate. That's the one where a marine held an umbrella for the president so he wouldn't get wet.

....

Yeah.
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DrVenom wrote:They are quite a bit more well thought out than skykid's and the mainstream media's juvenile attacks.
Yo.

I'll start by saying fuck you, and then ask you to cite exactly what 'juvenile attacks' I've been responsible for on the particular topics that you've linked to?

Ready when you are.
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it's hard to say that it's still about a woman having sex and nerds not having sex when intel and mercedes benz pulled their ads from the sites because of this whole thing
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Skykid wrote:
DrVenom wrote:They are quite a bit more well thought out than skykid's and the mainstream media's juvenile attacks.
Yo.

I'll start by saying fuck you, and then ask you to cite exactly what 'juvenile attacks' I've been responsible for on the particular topics that you've linked to?

Ready when you are.
Not exactly hard to find. Just look at your first posts in this topic. Going on a tirade, jumping to conclusions, name calling etc.
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Scanning...scanning....complete.
Summary of thread contents:

-General rage against females. Since there is already a stereotype that females do not "game", this becomes drastically increased in gaming. Possibly caused by feminism wanting female superiority as opposed to equality lately.
-Gamers become a stereotype and the word gamer becomes an insult. Possibly caused by the rest of humanity fighting against the growing gaming community.
-People attempt to get rich quick by making games. Fail horribly.
-People who make/criticize games/players know nothing about either.
-Scapegoating. The messy/corrupt/falling state of the game industry represented through the worst examples.
-Extension of the first point: Gaming industry failures are used to make women look bad in general.
-Unneeded criticism
-Bringing of private affairs into business and total invasion of privacy.
-Lies
-ERROR:Unable to scan "the fappening"

Please input command.

/comment Games...they need to only be related to themselves. The world needs no criticism, anyone who plays the game is a critic automatically. If a game is good, people will play it. And the creator will advance. People should not complain that a game is bad, it will fail anyway without their support.
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DrVenom wrote:
Skykid wrote:
DrVenom wrote:They are quite a bit more well thought out than skykid's and the mainstream media's juvenile attacks.
Yo.

I'll start by saying fuck you, and then ask you to cite exactly what 'juvenile attacks' I've been responsible for on the particular topics that you've linked to?

Ready when you are.
Not exactly hard to find. Just look at your first posts in this topic. Going on a tirade, jumping to conclusions, name calling etc.
er, still waiting for your citations. I was defending Quinn from the first post. Money where your mouth is please. Want to insult me, no problem, but don't back down now.

Waiting on your examples of 'juvenile' posts in relation to your links.
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Skykid wrote:
DrVenom wrote:
Skykid wrote:
Not exactly hard to find. Just look at your first posts in this topic. Going on a tirade, jumping to conclusions, name calling etc.
er, still waiting for your citations. I was defending Quinn from the first post. Money where your mouth is please. Want to insult me, no problem, but don't back down now.

Waiting on your examples of 'juvenile' posts in relation to your links. Get on with it.
You don't think the Zoey Quinn thing is part of gamergate?
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...wat?

Look, you took a swing at me. This will be the third time asking for your citations in relation to your links, which apparently offer an alternative to my 'juvenile attacks'. Can you please find the posts in question, and quote them so I know what you're comparing your links to?

Last time now, hurry it up.
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Skykid wrote:...wat?

Look, you took a swing at me. This will be the third time asking for your citations in relation to your links, which apparently offer an alternative to my 'juvenile attacks'. Can you please find the posts in question, and quote them so I know what you're comparing your links to?

Last time now, hurry it up.
I already made myself pretty clear. I am not going to jump through hoops just because you need to act like an ass.
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Fucking useless bro.

Don't mention my name again unless you actually have grounds to do so.

I know you're that butthurt sealed game collector who joined here to defend your crap hobby in one of my threads, but that doesn't give you a go ahead for false accusations.

Better luck next time.
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Whatever makes you sleep at night.
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Sigh.

I'll just say again what I said to someone on IRC today. I'd take all the people from both sides of SJWGG, seal them in a shipping container and drop it into the Atlantic ocean. I had hoped when this thread fizzled out, that was going to be the end of that rubbish polluting this forum at least.
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To claim non-involvement is to support the status quo.

Is it that hard to imagine this resentment against the gaming press wasn't brewing for a while (remember Kane and Lynch), and the Zoe Quinn affair was just the straw that broke the camel's back?

I'm STILL pissed that I was fooled into spending money on "Papers, Please," because of the ball-washing that game received from every corner of the gaming press!
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shitmydadsays wrote:If you can't handle some pissant writing something nasty about you, then I failed as a father. What I'm trying to say is, don't it trouble you that there's a whole generation of people growing up that just say whatever the fuck they want, without any consequences?"
This makes me giggle. Get what he's saying though, which is right.

I'm somewhere between System11's apathy / dunking wishes, and Michief Maker's "time to make the bastards pay" attitudes. Drawing the Venn diagram out, it does look like things would be so much easier if a certain group of people stopped having any influence whatsoever. But beyond that, it does look like there sure is something to Gamergate that just wishing won't fix.

But what's surprising me is that Mischief Maker seems to be saying that he trusted a review for something. Trust nobody!
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Ed Oscuro wrote:But what's surprising me is that Mischief Maker seems to be saying that he trusted a review for something. Trust nobody!
I find that shocking as well. You're not a "journalist" if the people you're writing about write your paycheck; which is a huge problem in almost all of the non-PBS, non-NPR media. It's depressing John Oliver is one of the few people able to say what we've all been thinking.

Personally just look at aggregate user reviews if I want to take the temperature on a game. Who's more qualified to have an opinion - Some Guy who has 20 minutes to play a game and a deadline and a profit motive, or Some Gamer who has infinity hours to play and write his review, who's also a real enthusiast of the genre in question? I know I take the opinion of any of you guys's on a game over any official Gamespot review.

It's like people acting like there's no such thing as Santa Claus and they're shocked. I have trouble believing they're sincere about that. Or that :games reviews: is what they care about. Is it really as important as say, the decades the Space Shuttle debacle set back our rockin' at the time space program? Or how development of Thorium reactors (which the human species requires if it is to avoid extinction - not to mention the quality of life improvements it would bring. Current western level of living for all countries without massive CO2 emissions at the very least) was shut down?
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BryanM wrote: Personally just look at aggregate user reviews if I want to take the temperature on a game. Who's more qualified to have an opinion - Some Guy who has 20 minutes to play a game and a deadline and a profit motive, or Some Gamer who has infinity hours to play and write his review, who's also a real enthusiast of the genre in question? I know I take the opinion of any of you guys's on a game over any official Gamespot review.
Pretty much. Can't think of one game journalist who's insights aren't inferior to what I could look up on a forum in five minutes.

Even beyond that, I stopped giving a shit about professional game reviews a loooooong time ago. It just became completely obvious that they don't like the games I like, or don't like playing them the way I like. Even if all the "corruption", whether it exists or not, was cleansed tomorrow, it would still be boring writers writing boring un-insightful opinions about boring shallow games.

Wake me up when BIL is king of game journalism, or when IGN starts giving 10/10 to Cave shmups. Maybe then I'll give a shit about anything game journalism related.
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Squire Grooktook wrote: Pretty much. Can't think of one game journalist who's insights aren't inferior to what I could look up on a forum in five minutes.
I can think of three people on this forum who would respectfully disagree with you.
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Don't see how they could disagree. There are some game journos I can think of over the years whose insights I find pretty interesting, but Squire's statement implies that they are being drowned out by the mediocrity. And there's plenty of that at all levels of the biz. I do appreciate that the better rags are proofread, and get some of those basics right, but something like having a stable view is a bit hard to ask.

My latest favorite episode of God Hand vs. Party Babyz-style schizophrenia: Legend of Kora "is awesome" (preview), "not too frustrating, but also not too exciting" (review). And unlike the GH/PBz duality, this is coming from the same section of the same website, though with two different people talking about it. At least whatever site was responsible for that isn't shy about bucking the trend of its peers - IGN, GameSpot, and also the refreshingly thorough folks at Forbes go to different lengths to criticize the released game.

So - there may be good (well, there are) games journalists, but the inability of companies to give their work visibility is a problem. Maybe it's not the companies' fault per se; the sprawl is a big place.
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Indeed. Perhaps I exaggerated too hard, but the point is that reviewers and consumers who value things like level design, challenge, etc. in any thing but a handful of multiplayer games have become such a overwhelming niche that it's almost pointless to follow any kind of mainstream game review outlet. And as BryanM pointed out, the rushed (good job learning what a fighting game is all about when you have 5 hours to do so), squeezed onto a page nature of 99% of reviews makes them ultimately inferior to even a passing conversation with someone who's experienced and dedicated to the game.

It's not even Sturgeon's Law anymore. 90% of everything is crap? Try 99.999%

Hell, most paperback publications weren't even that great back before the cliche of the evil triple AAA cinema game spread. EGM would occasionally bring up the phrase "level design" every now and then, but would generally never actually explain what they meant and would just use it as short hand for "I don't know why but this platformer just feels better than that other platformer" before being forced to cut off the review due to a 2 paragraph or so limit. I religiously followed EGM when I was a kid (the game cube/ps2 days), but in the past few years I woke and realized that 1) 99% of the games they review these days aren't remotely interesting. And 2) Their reviews barely tell me anything about the game.
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That reminds me of that guy who played Darkfall for less than three hours. I was astonished. That he was able to put in more than 40 minutes into it. I just assume like 2 of those hours were the install and afk pooping on a toilet.

That Next Generation rag, I used to love the hell out of that thing as a kid. Large sections on developers, getting to take the time to talk about the game in depth.. Gamasutra is as good as it gets, really. Things like how in Diablo 2, they put a lot of work into making the sounds of moving your stuff around in your inventory pleasurable (and it is pleasurable; you can spend hours picking stuff up and putting it down and nothing else).

Developers have more expertise than some guy on a typewriter. Go figure.
99% of the games they review these days aren't remotely interesting.
I know that feel. Genres get worn into the dust (after all, aren't they all just clones of one another?) very quickly. These days compound games seem to be the way to go. Bejeweled + Pokemon = Most profitable game company on the planet, as an example.
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I don't really mind genres being genres, I know that there's generally more to them than meets the eye for people who truly enjoy said genres. It's just that they were never genres that appealed to my tastes from the beginning. I wasn't into modern war games when they first appeared on the horizon and I'm not into them now. I should also probably append "not remotely interesting to me".

I don't have a problem with the medium becoming a bit more spread out and experimental. But like I said, the things that are interesting to me seem to have become largely uninteresting to the public and to the press at large, and vice versa. I simply haven't felt a need to follow a professional game journalist in years, I haven't read anything interesting from them and I barely see them review games that are interesting to me beyond the obligatory Nintendo title or Platinum Games game. And even then, their opinions are mostly not the most informative in the world.

I'll stick with researching games and getting a variety of opinions from people who actually play them and share my tastes.
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Bananamatic wrote:it's hard to say that it's still about a woman having sex and nerds not having sex when intel and mercedes benz pulled their ads from the sites because of this whole thing
At least someone else has been able to read between the lines.

This whole thing is hilarious to me. Who didn't figure out a long time ago that gaming journalism sucks? Apparently, a lot of people on /v/. Now we have two of the loudest groups of overgrown children on the planet battling it out over the internet, as if there is any convincing either side of anything.

Let's not forget to mention the hypocrisy of indie developers, who can be found decrying death threats over the internet when it suits their interests, while simultaneously marginalizing the issue when one of their own does it. The least I can hope for is that in the aftermath of this, people will see indie developers for the manbaby shills they are.

In reality though, this saga will change very little. The SJWs will declare victory once it blows over (because not losing is the same thing as winning), indie developers will go back to fellating whoever will let them, and gamers will still be lapping up the same idiotic drivel they were supposed to be against. The moral of this story? Everyone gets what they deserve.
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Ed Oscuro wrote: So - there may be good (well, there are) games journalists, but the inability of companies to give their work visibility is a problem. Maybe it's not the companies' fault per se; the sprawl is a big place.
This I can completely get behind.

To be honest I don't disagree games journalism generally is godawful and full of people who either don't know anything about the medium, can't write, or a bit of both. But it's so highly commercialised and the readership so easily pleased that no-one strives for the desperate overhaul required.
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quash wrote:This whole thing is hilarious to me. Who didn't figure out a long time ago that gaming journalism sucks? Apparently, a lot of people on /v/. Now we have two of the loudest groups of overgrown children on the planet battling it out over the internet, as if there is any convincing either side of anything.
The thing is that only one side of the overgrown children has something to lose(the "journalists") and they are probably too stupid to realize it

If they had enough common sense and realized that if you do sketchy shit you should probably just stay silent about it instead of starting an internet war against your own audience, the whole thing would've been over in a week
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If they're willing to lose sponsorship from major companies in exchange for support from penniless morons, I guess that would prove their integrity after all. Turn that frown upside down!
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Mischief Maker wrote:To claim non-involvement is to support the status quo.
something about this statement really irritates me... partly because it's used so often and some times I'd just rather keep my nose out of the conflict and kick my feet up

but I get it
Mischief Maker wrote: I'm STILL pissed that I was fooled into spending money on "Papers, Please," because of the ball-washing that game received from every corner of the gaming press!
haha, did it turn out bad? I still really want it because of how great it sounded (some boards I participate on hyped it to the moon), but I never heard anything about it after it's initial release/reviews.
Squire Grooktook wrote:Pretty much. Can't think of one game journalist who's insights aren't inferior to what I could look up on a forum in five minutes.
not sure if he's considered a "journalist", but Mark Bussler from Classic Gaming Room has always been pretty cool/in line with what I like. I mean... he even reviews shmups like mushi futari..

user reviews aren't really the greatest source of information either, since many of those users buy into the fabricated hype.
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