Three new Xbox One Shmups announced (Moss, qute, Triangle)

[Some-Mist]

fair enough ^ but what happens after 2016? they drop support? because that would be very similar to the original xbox..it's still that bare-bones non-notable two year support gap (support ending in 2006 and a few non-notable games releasing in 2007 and 2008). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games

why announce support only through 2016? and do you actually believe they will still support the xbox 360 into 2016? I mean they did say that kinect is required for the xbox one and look what happened there. who knows... maybe microsoft realized that they're actually screwing the gaming consumer and now they're trying to cater to us. But I doubt it.

I highly doubt that they will be releasing any notable titles for the xbox 360 with the exception of multiplatform games that have already been in development for those platforms. And that's just my wild guess, but I'd still place money on the xbox 360 fizzling out like the xbox. PS3 will probably still be going strong well past 2016

[Jenseits]

Your opinion is not a trend.

[Some-Mist]

Your opinion is not a trend.

there has been a 10-15 year continuing trend with Sony console support tho.. which is a fact and not my opinion. Guess what.. if xbox 360 support stops within the next 1-2 years (which I find highly likely) that will be exactly in line with what has happened with the original xbox. Not a trend yet, but I'd be willing to put money down on it with you or cuilan to make things more interesting over the course of the next few years

it could partly help pay for one of the new consoles - I know I'll be getting a PS4 and XB1 in a 3-4 years to pair up with my Wii U.

[Jenseits]

You keep ignoring the fact that not supporting the original xbox had economical reasons and you seem to ignore that Sony (as well as Microsoft) will only support any plattform if there is money to gain.

I had a ps3 much longer than i had the xbox.
I'm certainly no MS fanboy.
I preferred ps3 because of their ip's.
They failed to deliver a team ico game for that platform.
And as long as this won't be released for PS4 and/or a rain of shmups comes down on Sony's PS4 i'm with MS from the start this time.

[Some-Mist]

I'm not with Sony nor MS from the start, but the 360 and Wii were my favorite consoles from last gen. I can't stand the interactive movie crap that Sony tries pushing with their platform - though I did buy a PS3 first last gen for TLG.
The only manufacturer/developer that gets my money so far is Nintendo.

I typically go by track record:
There will more-than-likely be issues with the current hardware models within a couple of years
A cheaper hardware revision will release
MS support will go out the window and Sony will continue supporting the PS3
Sony will focus on interactive movies while MS focuses on fps, arcade games and other media formats

PS1&2 had a MASSIVE user base. That is the ONLY reason Sony supported it.
My guess is that PS3 will not receive the same long-term support.

according to Sony it will last at least a minimum of 10 year life cycle if not longer.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/30 ... ears-sony/

PS4 will be the first console that Sony doesn't support for a full 10+ year cycle.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/29/ps4-will- ... y-4206965/

[Phellan Wolf]

Whoah looks like someone brought his crystall ball to see the future of gaming. Please tell us what's next Cave game Hello Kitty Black label, Cave KANKAN collection or maybe Loli cute'm all.

[Bonus!]

M$ dropped the OG Xbox like a hot potato after the X360 was released, and they barely put out anything for the Xbox 360 in the last three years, while Sony not only introduced new IPs in 2013 (Last of Us, Puppeteer), but also released new entries for established franchies, big and small (Gran Turismo, Sly, Ratchet and Clank). In other words, M$ has been dropping support for the X360, while Sony is still strongly supporting the PS3.

Again, look at what has already happened: Sony stopped the production of the PS2 (yes, TWO) in 2013. The last PS2 (yes, agian, TWO) games was relased in 2013 as well. The last game for the OG Xbox was released in 2008. Sony has supported all their systems for years after their respective successors were released, and there is absolutely no indication that the same won't happen for the PS3. Heck, look at the list of upcoming releases for PS3: it's massive, and it contains plenty of exclusives like two new entries of the Tales series, Persona 5, new Atelier games etc, in addition to the usual multiplatform games.

[Squire Grooktook]

I don't think shmups are doing too bad currently to be honest. I think the lowest they could possibly go is if it became utterly impossible for developers to publish or fund them for consoles, and every shmup became a low/zero budget indie thing or occasional labor of love like Jamestown. Stuff like Qute being able to make several games on consoles and new Moss games seem to say that this isn't entirely the case.

Eschatos debuted at the 50th position in Media-Create's weekly sales chart, Ginga Force at the 26th. We are likely looking at just a few hundred copies for the former and maybe somewhere between 1500 and 2500 for the latter. The demand for these games is clearly not there and I honestly have no idea how they can keep their business running with such sales.

Are those sales all that bad a thing considering how low the budget on the games might have been? It's not like they had triple A graphics or anything.

I don't know how they keep making games for consoles, but they're doing it somehow. And that's a good sign at least imo.

[Some-Mist]

Whoah looks like someone brought his crystall ball to see the future of gaming.

I'm trying to have fun with it and I love to gamble - apparently no one else does or they don't trust their word enough to go through with a bet .

Please tell us what's next Cave game Hello Kitty Black label, Cave KANKAN collection or maybe Loli cute'm all.

it's not that difficult. even though you were joking there's some truth to another cave "complete" collection on newer consoles. it's not a "crystal ball", it's trying to deduce the most logical outcome i.e. I can tell you're probably a tool because of your obnoxious and pointless reply. see?

M$ dropped the OG Xbox like a hot potato after the X360 was released, and they barely put out anything for the Xbox 360 in the last three years, while Sony not only introduced new IPs in 2013 (Last of Us, Puppeteer), but also released new entries for established franchies, big and small (Gran Turismo, Sly, Ratchet and Clank). In other words, M$ has been dropping support for the X360, while Sony is still strongly supporting the PS3.

Again, look at what has already happened: Sony stopped the production of the PS2 (yes, TWO) in 2013. The last PS2 (yes, agian, TWO) games was relased in 2013 as well. The last game for the OG Xbox was released in 2008. Sony has supported all their systems for years after their respective successors were released, and there is absolutely no indication that the same won't happen for the PS3. Heck, look at the list of upcoming releases for PS3: it's massive, and it contains plenty of exclusives like two new entries of the Tales series, Persona 5, new Atelier games etc, in addition to the usual multiplatform games.

basically this. lucky for us that shmups were still being released. I'm not expecting any other kind of output after titanfall, but if it were my choice I would want a scalebound 360 port.

[Bonus!]

I don't know how they keep making games for consoles, but they're doing it somehow. And that's a good sign at least imo.

Aren't Qute just two guys? If so, I could imagine that the economies make sense. Who knows, maybe they make the games in their spare time, while workign part-time. I've heard of similar stories in the indie scene. In any case, given the low budget of those games, it's quite possible that they make a profit even with just a few thousand games sold. I'd imagine it's like with NG DEV TEAM. It's not as if they get rich doing that, but they seem to be making enough money by catering to 'hardcore' fans to make it worth their whlie.

[Special World]

If we're going to go full-tilt console wars, I still don't have a physical disc for my PS4, and I've owned it since last Christmas. The only game I own on PS4 that I genuinely enjoy is Towerfall Ascension. Not that Xbone has a ton of worthwhile exclusives either atm. Wii U got flack for languishing for months, but at least it had enjoyable new/exclusive games to play from launch and actually felt like a major step up from its predecessor. All three consoles will come into their own (and the Wii U already has) but neither the PS4 or Xbone are worth rooting for at this point.

But that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with getting excited about upcoming releases. I plan on pitching with my girlfriend on the Xbone with my birthday money this October, that way I can enjoy Qute's new game, Capybara's Below, and Halo 1-4 remastered provided 343 don't botch that. I think Qute might become my favorite shooter dev of all time, honestly. Cave are brilliant but Qute absolutely blew me away with both their releases. If they can keep pushing forward like they did with Eschatos -> Ginga Force, they're just gonna be absolutely incredible. I don't even know how they could top Ginga Force, honestly besides just having better level design throughout, since there were two or three stinkers (level 2 and the underground stage come to mind but that's... really it?).

[Vetus]

IMO they could easily launch those games on X360, no need to move to new hard.

Pretty much this. I'm not going to buy Xbone just for 2-3 shmups.

[spadgy]

IMO they could easily launch those games on X360, no need to move to new hard.

Pretty much this. I'm not going to buy Xbone just for 2-3 shmups.

I see that people want games for the machines they already own, but if games and games platforms are ever to progress, we need moves to new hardware eventually. If consumers and developers didn't ever embrace new platforms, wouldn't we still all be playing on late-1970s machines?

As for the number of shmups, again, hopefully this is just the start. Once the Saturn or the Xbox 360 only had 2-3 shmups. Utterly reasonable to say 'not enough for me yet', but there seems to be a remarkable attitude from some (not directing this at you Phellan Wolf and Vetus!) to dismiss the entire future of the Xbox One as a shmup platform.

It's likely idealist and a touch naively optimistic of me, but supporting and being positive towards these 2-3 might help attract a few more shmups to the platform.

[emphatic]

If CAVE releases a brand new, very good shmup for the XBone, I'm buying a console. As soon as the Ketsui port was announced on the 360, I got myself an NTSC-J unit, and I've not regretted that one bit.

[d3vak]

IMO they could easily launch those games on X360, no need to move to new hard.

Pretty much this. I'm not going to buy Xbone just for 2-3 shmups.

I see that people want games for the machines they already own, but if games and games platforms are ever to progress, we need moves to new hardware eventually. If consumers and developers didn't ever embrace new platforms, wouldn't we still all be playing on late-1970s machines?

It's not like that...What would be lame is that they just decided to cut new titles on the very first round of game releases. That is why some guys around here were comparing MS decisions for past consoles with Sony's.
What I mean is that this was the year 2016 I wouldn't expect new releases for X360 (despite the "3 more years" announced by MS) but as for early 2015, it wouldn't be a harebrained thing to expect...don't you think?

[Ghegs]

IMO they could easily launch those games on X360, no need to move to new hard.

Pretty much this. I'm not going to buy Xbone just for 2-3 shmups.

I see that people want games for the machines they already own, but if games and games platforms are ever to progress, we need moves to new hardware eventually. If consumers and developers didn't ever embrace new platforms, wouldn't we still all be playing on late-1970s machines?

Well, it's not like shmups need the new hardware. And nowadays the improvements aren't nearly as big as back then, from Atari 2600 to NES not to mention SNES to N64. Huge differences, mere six years' difference on both of those. And it seems just when the developers really start getting the hang of the system it's time to move on the next generation of hardware, so the games that would really push the systems to their limits remain forever unmade.

Still, 8 years for Xbox 360 isn't a bad run.

[Some-Mist]

Pretty much this. I'm not going to buy Xbone just for 2-3 shmups.

I see that people want games for the machines they already own, but if games and games platforms are ever to progress, we need moves to new hardware eventually. If consumers and developers didn't ever embrace new platforms, wouldn't we still all be playing on late-1970s machines?

Well, it's not like shmups need the new hardware. And nowadays the improvements aren't nearly as big as back then, from Atari 2600 to NES not to mention SNES to N64. Huge differences, mere six years' difference on both of those. And it seems just when the developers really start getting the hang of the system it's time to move on the next generation of hardware, so the games that would really push the systems to their limits remain forever unmade.

Still, 8 years for Xbox 360 isn't a bad run.

the last few years have seriously been lacking though (other than our genre which has had a steady stream of releases). these shmups more-than-likely can run flawlessly on generation 7 hardware, but it's pretty counter-intuitive to port the games to older hardware if you're trying to establish a following on new hardware. I would love nothing more to be able to play scalebound, d4, and these shmups on the 360, but it would make more sense from Microsoft's standpoint to keep those exclusive on XB1 to reel me (and other gamers) into an xb1 purchase.

If top notch games are still being released on 360 over the next couple of years, there's very little point for most gamers to shift to the new hardware..which is what Microsoft doesn't want.

[Phellan Wolf]

If CAVE releases a brand new, very good shmup for the XBone, I'm buying a console. As soon as the Ketsui port was announced on the 360, I got myself an NTSC-J unit, and I've not regretted that one bit.

What they're going to release is another Kan Collection , period.
But something that would really piss me off is a port of Ibara kuro for the bone, I'll be bashing them to death for not releasing it on X360.
By the way I am still wondering where the fuck is the Dangun port.

[drunkninja24]

By the way I am still wondering where the fuck is the Dangun port.

Most likely collecting dust on an M2 server somewhere.

[spadgy]

I see your points ghegs and d3vak. A reasonably generous generational overlap is no bad thing, the technological gap that divides console generations is increasingly slight, and these games may not well need new gen power (though we don't know for sure with, for example, what the new Raiden might be – is it even a shmup?).

But I want some games to play on my bloody Xbox One! Other than Super Time Force it is so far an oversized paperweight!

To be more serious, though, I still feel that some shmups are coming to yet another console is positive news for the genre. There'll be shmups on other platforms too, the 360 had an incredibly good run of them, and if yet one more machine is supporting the genre... well... it can't hurt the genre's fortunes.

No shmup on any platform will perfectly delight, be available to and suit every human that loves the genre; that would be a bit much to ask for. In that context, whether people like the games or the platform announced or not, in the wider context of the genre and this news, I still think it's great.

[rtw]

But I want some games to play on my bloody Xbox One! Other than Super Time Force it is so far an oversized paperweight!

fun fact, the XBOX One is not for sale in Norway yet, I was hoping I would never have to buy one but if a new Raiden is coming out I must.

[Acid King]

though we don't know for sure with, for example, what the new Raiden might be – is it even a shmup?

The concept art looks pretty shump-like, judging by the way the bridges are the same height and the enemy formation that's approaching. If anything, the time to release a new STG is early in a console's life cycle. I don't think the mainstream attention games like Geometry Wars and Super Stardust HD, and now Resogun for that matter, would have occurred if the games appeared later in the consoles life cycle. The early lack of must buy AAA titles means people pay more attention to the smaller games getting released as they bide their time for a new blockbuster.

[BPzeBanshee]

I'll buy an Xbone if a new Raiden that's a proper Raiden game on it and not some JRPG/dating sim/hybrid bastard. The other two will be icing on the cake for me.

Strange that people think that buying a console for a small set of games is strange when so much of this forum did the same thing with a Japanese 360.

[gunbird18]

By the way I am still wondering where the fuck is the Dangun port.

Most likely collecting dust on an M2 server somewhere.

Better than collecting dust on a 5pb server...

[Vetus]

Just like other people mentioned, you don't need a new home console (Xbox One) in order to release a new shmup, expecially when the home consoles of the previous generation (Xbox 36) is still alive in the market. Expecially when the hardware different is not so huge. At any case, when more shmup will be released at the future then I will probably buy an Xbox One. For the time being it's too soon, expecially since Wii U is a bigger priority for me and I just bought a 3DS few months ago.

[Some-Mist]

By the way I am still wondering where the fuck is the Dangun port.

Most likely collecting dust on an M2 server somewhere.

Better than collecting dust on a 5pb server...

how so? I would've never guessed in a million years that they would've ported Ketsui to PS3 5 years after the original console port. they might've actually done something with it.

edit:

What they're going to release is another Kan Collection , period.

whoaoa someone brought their crystal ball. are you sure it's not going to be some hello kitty black label? harhar

[d3vak]

But I want some games to play on my bloody Xbox One! Other than Super Time Force it is so far an oversized paperweight!

fun fact, the XBOX One is not for sale in Norway yet, I was hoping I would never have to buy one but if a new Raiden is coming out I must.

In Japan it won't be released until September.

[spadgy]

Hopefully I haven't over-empasised the whole 'what genre will the new Raiden be?' point. I too sense it's to be a shmup, but that 'not traditional' marketing line (coupled with my own fear about expecting too much from a series I adore) has me bracing myself just a little for potential disappointment.

[gunbird18]

Most likely collecting dust on an M2 server somewhere.

Better than collecting dust on a 5pb server...

how so? I would've never guessed in a million years that they would've ported Ketsui to PS3 5 years after the original console port. they might've actually done something with it.

^^^^^^^^^^^
That may be true. 5pb are big Cave fans, so they may have got the ball rolling.

But I was thinking waaaayyyy back when they released DOJBLEX. Didn't the main guy at Arika point out various errors with the programming??? I also thought the 360 port of Ketsui had some errors with enemy placement. But now that I actually own the port, I am thinking that it is pretty close to the pcb??? I miss the slow down, though. So f$#^ing fast...

[cave hermit]

Sadly it looks like I'm going to have to pass on this new generation of shmups: I just bought my PS4 yesterday, and I'm tired of being fucked up the ass by Microsoft. Cave shmups were literally the only thing that redeemed the 360 for me; the only reason I bought one years ago was because all the Kool Kidz were buying 360s and I didn't know better. I found out about Cave years later, so it was pure luck I got to play their games. Honestly though, I wouldn't be opposed to getting a Xbone if more shmups come out, but given that I just bought a PS4 and I'm going to college in two months, I don't exactly have the money to do so.

Maybe there will be ports of these new shmups to other consoles though? It's been said already that there's nothing about shmups that can't already be done on the 360, and the PS4 ditched the proprietary playstation hardware that developers complained about for a more PC like architecture so that it would be easier to use for development. That could be part of the reason shmups stayed on the 360: the 360 is naturally easy to develop/port for, so tiny shmup companies that didn't have too much of a development/porting budget probably just went with the console it was easier to develop for. Then again, I'm probably just speaking out of my ass here.