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greg wrote:I think Romeo and Juliet is total crap, too. I dig Shakespeare, I guess, But that play is total crap. Like I said before about tragedy happening to fools, this play is nothing but idiocy. Check for a pulse next time before killing yourself, moron. Tybalt was the only interesting character in the play, and he dies halfway through. Romeo and Juliet was a gagfest, and I hate how it's made out to be such a wonderful love story. If you've seen the '60s movie of Romeo and Juliet, it's obvious that Romeo is just smitten by her cleavage.
Assuming you're not trolling, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

Shakespeare's big thing was taking long-standing stereotypes and turning them on their heads. Romeo and Juliet skewers teenage love (Romeo's heads over heels in love with a different woman less than an hour before he falls for Juliet), the stupidity of family feuds, even the sarcastic jokester Tybalt is done in by his own personality when he's asking the Montagues to get him medical attention and everyone thinks he's joking.

What you see as flaws are actually the play's intentional ironies piled one atop another. The view of Romeo and Juliet as the ultimate love story is the shallowest possible interpretation. The same interpretation that was Lucas' downfall in trying to create romantic tension in Clones.


On another note, I remember renting the special edition DVD of Empire and will not pay to see it in the theaters because *spoiler alert* Lucas lets the cat out of the bag early that Luke is Vader's son and therefore deflates the dramatic climax of the entire series. I mean, why not? If you were watching this series from episode 1 on, you'd already know that. Product synergy trumps art.

Have you folks watched The Hidden Fortress? It should be required viewing before anyone talks about creativity that Lucas "lost."
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Mischief Maker wrote: On another note, I remember renting the special edition DVD of Empire and will not pay to see it in the theaters because *spoiler alert* Lucas lets the cat out of the bag early that Luke is Vader's son and therefore deflates the dramatic climax of the entire series.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? :shock:
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Mischief Maker wrote: On another note, I remember renting the special edition DVD of Empire and will not pay to see it in the theaters because *spoiler alert* Lucas lets the cat out of the bag early that Luke is Vader's son and therefore deflates the dramatic climax of the entire series.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? :shock:
Yeah. During the scene where Vader talks to the emperor's hologram, the emperor reveals to Vader that Luke is his son (raising a whole new question of why Vader was pursuing Luke so obsessively before then). This was the 2004 DVD version.

I tried to find a clip on youtube, but all I can find are edits by indignant fans adding the old audio to the new visuals.

The scary thing is, Redlettermedia wasn't joking when they said George Lucas doesn't understand Star Wars.
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Skykid wrote:Well I might go and see the originals. I'll just squint a bit when Greedo shoots first and Hayden Dickmunchson turns up at the end of Jedi.
"Han shoots first" was returned to Blu-ray version, which is what they'd use.
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If I ever meet Lucas I'm going to extend my hand and then kick him square in the balls.
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In case you thought Greedo shooting first was still in the latest version of the movie, I made my post more clear.

I think that's the rare awful SW decision Lucas actually regrets.
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Skykid wrote:If I ever meet Lucas I'm going to extend my hand and then kick him square in the balls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjIjsZp_Y
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Skykid wrote:Well I might go and see the originals. I'll just squint a bit when Greedo shoots first and Hayden Dickmunchson turns up at the end of Jedi.
"Han shoots first" was returned to Blu-ray version, which is what they'd use.
That's not quite right. In the Blu-ray, Han and Greedo fire simultaneously and Han does this sort of sidle to avoid Greedo's shot. In the original version, Han just dropped Greedo like a sack of shit before the guy could do anything.

At least, that's what I always thought. Now George Lucas is saying that Greedo shot first even in theaters in the '70s.
Mischief Maker wrote:I remember renting the special edition DVD of Empire and will not pay to see it in the theaters because *spoiler alert* Lucas lets the cat out of the bag early that Luke is Vader's son and therefore deflates the dramatic climax of the entire series.
That's not right either. The Emperor just says that Luke is the son of Anakin Skywalker, which doesn't let anything out of the bag for the hypothetical hermit or infant who doesn't know Vader's identity.

The new dialog does change things so that Vader is learning that his son was the pilot who blew up the Death Star right then, while in the original, he seems to have found out sometime between episodes. That doesn't quite make sense. I'd still go with the Ian McDiarmid hologram over the old lady, though.
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Mortificator wrote: At least, that's what I always thought. Now George Lucas is saying that Greedo shot first even in theaters in the '70s.
George Lucas is an idiot.
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Skykid wrote:Well I might go and see the originals. I'll just squint a bit when Greedo shoots first and Hayden Dickmunchson turns up at the end of Jedi.
I don't think I will. Not even Empire Strikes Back can get me to appreciate a 3D movie. I hate 3D. Just for the record, I didn't say that I won't see it. I just doubt I will.
Mischief Maker wrote:Assuming you're not trolling, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

Shakespeare's big thing was taking long-standing stereotypes and turning them on their heads. Romeo and Juliet skewers teenage love (Romeo's heads over heels in love with a different woman less than an hour before he falls for Juliet), the stupidity of family feuds, even the sarcastic jokester Tybalt is done in by his own personality when he's asking the Montagues to get him medical attention and everyone thinks he's joking.
No I wasn't trolling, and I think you just helped me gain more appreciation for Romeo and Juliet. Looking at it from that perspective, it does make more sense that way, and I don't doubt that it was the original intent. I hate how it's heralded as such a beautiful love story when it's really about two teenage twits who don't know their ass from their elbow. Women eat up that "swear by the moon your love for me, for ever I look at it again, blah blah blah" bullshit and they think it's true love.
Mischief Maker wrote:Have you folks watched The Hidden Fortress? It should be required viewing before anyone talks about creativity that Lucas "lost."
Lucas was best at aping stuff, be it adventure serials, sci fi serials, WWII movies, and Kurosawa flicks. Even the transition wipes are straight out of Star Wars. One of the things that made me wince in the prequels (definitely in EP3, maybe in the other ones too) was that sometimes, the transitions looked more like freaking Microsoft Powerpoint transitions than Star Wars transitions. Skykid, did you pick up on that one?
Mischief Maker wrote:Yeah. During the scene where Vader talks to the emperor's hologram, the emperor reveals to Vader that Luke is his son (raising a whole new question of why Vader was pursuing Luke so obsessively before then). This was the 2004 DVD version.
HA! That was so funny!
Mischief Maker wrote:Yeah. During the scene where Vader talks to the emperor's hologram, the emperor reveals to Vader that Luke is his son (raising a whole new question of why Vader was pursuing Luke so obsessively before then). This was the 2004 DVD version.
Yep, that whole reworked dialogue was so unnecessary. ESB was relatively unscathed up until that point. I loved the added scenery of Cloud City and such from the '97 version, hated the Luke scream added in, but the DVD at least got rid of the scream, but put in that ridiculous dialogue. It worked the first time, George, so stop dicking around with it! Ironically, Ian McDermid was not credited as The Emperor at the end credits on the DVD version, because it still had Clive Revill's name there. That was funny. Oh George...
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Remember when they did that 'own the original trilogy one. last. time.' VHS spiel?


Boy am I glad I own those.
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Estebang wrote:(Don't get me wrong, the Anakin/Padme dialogue in Sith was groan-inducing.)
Yeah, I walked through a room a few times when that movie was on, and it just sped me on my way. So bad it frightened me.
Compared to Episode II, it was Shakespeare.

Only so much good actors can do with horrible dialogue, and they sure tried.



Episode III was Ian McDiarmid's time. My favorite scene was the one with Palpatine and Anakin in the theater.
Is that the scene where Palpatine has Anakin on the couch, like "yo son, Jedis are scum suckers, so you ought to be evil instead?" That was...amazing. I think it was actually THAT I saw walking through the room, actually. The Anakin / Padme stuff...dunno when or where I saw it, but it was pretty bad.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Is that the scene where Palpatine has Anakin on the couch, like "yo son, Jedis are scum suckers, so you ought to be evil instead?" That was...amazing. I think it was actually THAT I saw walking through the room, actually. The Anakin / Padme stuff...dunno when or where I saw it, but it was pretty bad.
Yeah, that scene was pretty cool. Although when you think about it, it's a case where good acting made bad dialogue work. I guess the dialogue was okay, but still the whole premise is dumb. Anakin became Vader because he was tricked/manipulated into it. For years, we all figured that he was a noble Jedi who fell from grace because he came to realize that using the Dark Side for sake of the greater good, and a developed a hatred for the Jedi on his own. Then we learned that he was a dumbass kid who was tricked into being evil just to save his wife. I was willing to read the ROTS novelization to see if it explains it better, but I never did. I'd read the novelizations to the first two movies, but after awhile I just stopped caring.

Anyhow, the purpose of this thread isn't to just crap on the prequels, but it has turned into such. I should stop. I did enjoy them for what they are worth at the time, even though they disappointed me.
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cj iwakura wrote:Remember when they did that 'own the original trilogy one. last. time.' VHS spiel?


Boy am I glad I own those.
Well, even though only the old LD masters were used and the transfer is non-anamorphic, the original unaltered commercial Star Wars DVDs from 2006 are way better than those worn out low-res VHS tapes. VHS has a horizontal resolution of only 170 lines (vertical is 486 for NTSC); that's just painful to watch nowadays.

Of course the best thing to have is "Harmy's Star Wars DeSpecialized Edition" in 720p, an incredible fan-edit that re-created the original theatrical versions of IV,V and VI. The amount of work that went into this project is insane, but it's better than anything Lucas has ever given us. Unfortunately, given the state of one-click-hosters after megaupload's end, it may not be that easy to come by at the moment.

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Ed Oscuro wrote:Is that the scene where Palpatine has Anakin on the couch, like "yo son, Jedis are scum suckers, so you ought to be evil instead?" That was...amazing. I think it was actually THAT I saw walking through the room, actually. The Anakin / Padme stuff...dunno when or where I saw it, but it was pretty bad.
Yeah, that scene was pretty cool. Although when you think about it, it's a case where good acting made bad dialogue work.
I meant amazing as "dazzles the sense of reason with its badness." The best actors in the world aren't going to have an easy time making me believe you can convert somebody to be incredibly evil by just leaning back in a chair and talking out the side of your mouth. To be fair, I didn't WATCH the whole scene, so maybe they did pull it off. That was distinctly not the impression I had when I ran across it, however. It just seemed bad and wrong in so many different ways.
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Almost as bad as this play where three old ladies converted someone to be incredibly evil just by appearing in a plain and talking in riddles! That's the impression I got flipping through it on the can, anyway.
greg wrote:Then we learned that he was a dumbass kid who was tricked into being evil just to save his wife.
I think there were multiple reasons, which I appreciated. Most people don't have just one reason for doing something.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Is that the scene where Palpatine has Anakin on the couch, like "yo son, Jedis are scum suckers, so you ought to be evil instead?" That was...amazing. I think it was actually THAT I saw walking through the room, actually. The Anakin / Padme stuff...dunno when or where I saw it, but it was pretty bad.
Specifically, it's the scene when he talks about his mentor, Darth Plaguis, and how his apprentice killed him. Palpatine has some great expressions in that scene.

Probably my favorite character across the series.
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cj iwakura wrote:
Ed Oscuro wrote:Is that the scene where Palpatine has Anakin on the couch, like "yo son, Jedis are scum suckers, so you ought to be evil instead?" That was...amazing. I think it was actually THAT I saw walking through the room, actually. The Anakin / Padme stuff...dunno when or where I saw it, but it was pretty bad.
Specifically, it's the scene when he talks about his mentor, Darth Plaguis, and how his apprentice killed him. Palpatine has some great expressions in that scene.

Probably my favorite character across the series.
That's because he's the only character who shows any emotion besides befuddlement.
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edit: missread the flipping through it part in the last post. I was thinking of flipping through channels on tv, but I realize now you meant flipping through the play.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:
greg wrote:
Ed Oscuro wrote:Is that the scene where Palpatine has Anakin on the couch, like "yo son, Jedis are scum suckers, so you ought to be evil instead?" That was...amazing. I think it was actually THAT I saw walking through the room, actually. The Anakin / Padme stuff...dunno when or where I saw it, but it was pretty bad.
Yeah, that scene was pretty cool. Although when you think about it, it's a case where good acting made bad dialogue work.
I meant amazing as "dazzles the sense of reason with its badness."
That's what I was thinking.

I was racking my brains trying to remember one good scene in Episode III. Thanks for confirming there aren't any.
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Topher Grace has cut an 85 minute version of the prequels. Anyone interested in this have a read of the review below, as we are not likely to see it. What he's done sounds interesting - for instance, it starts with the Darth Maul fight.

http://www.slashfilm.com/topher-grace-e ... ute-movie/

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dan76 wrote:Topher Grace has cut an 85 minute version of the prequels. Anyone interested in this have a read of the review below, as we are not likely to see it. What he's done sounds interesting - for instance, it starts with the Darth Maul fight.

http://www.slashfilm.com/topher-grace-e ... ute-movie/

Cheers to JDE for the link.
Read it, sounds very interesting. But how the heck are we going to watch it? :?
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Saw this a few days ago, I lol'd. I didn't think it would be possible to make something that would improve the Plinkett reviews, but I guess this guy just proved me wrong. That shit was hilarious.
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dan76 wrote:Topher Grace has cut an 85 minute version of the prequels. Anyone interested in this have a read of the review below, as we are not likely to see it. What he's done sounds interesting - for instance, it starts with the Darth Maul fight.

http://www.slashfilm.com/topher-grace-e ... ute-movie/

Cheers to JDE for the link.
Read it, sounds very interesting. But how the heck are we going to watch it? :?
I dunno, but it's probably still going to be an incoherent mess. But instead of the reason being the screenplay is garbage that was written in a weekend, it'll be because it was compiled out of 3 completely seperate movies.

That being said, it can't possibly be worse than the prequels themselves. :P
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Even if you hate the prequels (and there's lots to hate), without 'em we wouldn't have Darths and Droids.

George Lucas' early shit was good because he didn't have a gajillion dollar budget wasn't super well known, so he had editors and staff members to reign in his crazier ideas. By the time he worked on the prequels, he was basically considered a movie god and could do whatever he liked, thereby making pure crap. His old stuff was good because he had people who filtered out his batshit insane or downright awful ideas (coughjarjarbinkscough).
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Udderdude wrote: Saw this a few days ago, I lol'd. I didn't think it would be possible to make something that would improve the Plinkett reviews, but I guess this guy just proved me wrong. That shit was hilarious.
It's videos like that that remind me the internet is better than real life.
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We're making fun of the kickass fight scene, now? It's indeed disappointing that Ewan McGregor didn't reenact his predecessor's choreography by standing in one place and fiddling with the settings on his flashlight.
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Mortificator wrote:We're making fun of the kickass fight scene, now?
One day you'll discover "Kung Fu Movies" and your mind will be blown.

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