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PC Engine Fan X! wrote:In the American horror/gore film genre, it's a given to see if a current film can top a previous film's gore content in the horror/gore category. Actor/director Eli Roth's two films of Hostel and Hostel 2 are two current examples of the graphic horror/gore genre. Also featuring topless or full nudity with the female form in a horror film is a given. Credit is given to KNB EFX Group for their hard work utilizing models for cast moulding body parts and the like. Plus using super talented prostethics makeup artists to make them life-like with their incredible painting skills.

Of course, John Carpenter's The Thing is the one to beat despite it's summer of 1982 release...no other sci-fi/horror/gore genre film has ever came close to matching the techincal masterpiece that is the remake of The Thing. The special effects in it was all real-time puppetry, animatronics, blood, mysterious alien fluids leaking out everywhere & all-out imaginative wizardry in pulling it off convincingly and utilizng none of today's CG special EFX either.

The two different Todd McFarlane's Movie Maniacs action figures released based on The Thing film really show the alien creature in it's true three-dimensional form (something that really wasn't shown/explored in the film).

The only way to top the special EFX in the 1982 remake of The Thing is do another sequel with even more impressive and over-the-top gore special EFX. Would have to get the best-of-the best in today's special EFX teams and see what can be done nowdays in terms of real-time puppetry & animatronics EFX (paying homage to the first film without having to resort to using CG EFX to ruin the amazing EFX continuity factor). Having the the Thing creature devour a female character would be something new to explore and/or feature the Thing's homeworld and what it looks like.

Only if Universal Studios had the smarts/foresight to release The Thing film not too closely to the theaterical release of E.T., it would've done quite well at the box office. It's been said that some movie patrons were sickened by the grisly gore effects that they never came back despite the film trailer really never showing all the various gore effects. They were in for a big shock when it finally was released on the big screen.

You might recall watching Leonard Nimoy whom hosted the very informative "Lights, Camera, Action!" behind-the-scenes show (back in 1982-1983) about current Hollywood films and how they were created when he hosted a such a show that featured the remake of "The Thing" movie. It was really an interesting show delving into the creative special EFX aspects of it.

There are two different versions of The Thing film, the second version has background info voice-over narration for all the characters introduced for the first time to viewers in the film + some different scenes that weren't shown theaterically (including an alternate ending that shows a key pivotal scene of the dog that looks back at the camp base before walking off into the icy landscape -- it's the same dog that began to eat/absorb the other dogs inside the kennel scene).

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evil_ash_xero wrote:Now we're getting somewhere.

Anyway, as for the comment about U.S. porn...of course it's disrespectful, and all of the 18yearsold, and pure 18 and little april, and all those sites really try to push the teen thing.

But even still, I see a prepubescent thing going on in J Porn, that I can't help but wonder "what's up with that". And the rape thing is completely impossible to not notice, if you've ever seen a single J AV(or MANY animes). And if it's not flat out rape, there's always the screaming and feigning displeasure in the sex scenes. You can't help but wonder "what's going on here".
Almost all of my favorite animes have some rape, or near rape scene. Such as Akira, Royal Space Force, Ninja Scroll, etc.. And let us not forget that lovely "fake rape" scene in Perfect Blue. The list could go on for eons.
Well, Miyazaki's women certainly seem empowered. It's almost feminist :lol: .

So, that's why I made my stupid thread.
American porn actresses sound like their limbs are being cut off.
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UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:
evil_ash_xero wrote:Now we're getting somewhere.

Anyway, as for the comment about U.S. porn...of course it's disrespectful, and all of the 18yearsold, and pure 18 and little april, and all those sites really try to push the teen thing.

But even still, I see a prepubescent thing going on in J Porn, that I can't help but wonder "what's up with that". And the rape thing is completely impossible to not notice, if you've ever seen a single J AV(or MANY animes). And if it's not flat out rape, there's always the screaming and feigning displeasure in the sex scenes. You can't help but wonder "what's going on here".
Almost all of my favorite animes have some rape, or near rape scene. Such as Akira, Royal Space Force, Ninja Scroll, etc.. And let us not forget that lovely "fake rape" scene in Perfect Blue. The list could go on for eons.
Well, Miyazaki's women certainly seem empowered. It's almost feminist :lol: .

So, that's why I made my stupid thread.
American porn actresses sound like their limbs are being cut off.
Yeah, but that's how they show that they're into it(for some odd reason). Let's not even compare them to the Japanese ones, where it's painfully obvious that they're supposedly being pushed into it, and having pain from it(oh, but they can't resist!). I don't see the Japanese ones going "oh, fuck yeah!!!". Of course, they aren't saying anything except "AIEEEEE!".
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evil_ash_xero wrote:Almost all of my favorite animes have some rape, or near rape scene. Such as Akira, Royal Space Force, Ninja Scroll, etc.. And let us not forget that lovely "fake rape" scene in Perfect Blue. The list could go on for eons.
Well, Miyazaki's women certainly seem empowered. It's almost feminist :lol: .
You seem to prefer violent, sensational stuff, so what else do you expect? It's not like rape theme doesn't feature in western literature, films, comic books etc.
Some anime can be considered "feminist", in a way. Two first Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki OAVs (1992-1995) come to mind. Then there goes stuff created by women (Rumiko Takahashi's Urusai Yatsura, InuYasha... - massively popular series). In many other shows I watched females (and other beings) are depicted with affection and empathy: Eureka Seven, Suzumiya Haruhi, Fuujin Monogatari (Windy Tales), Magical Pokaan... I've yet to see an anime as fucking nazi as Harry Potter or Warner cartoons.
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GaijinPunch wrote:Am I the weird one that thinks porn servers one purpose, and one purpose only: to have something to wank to?
If it doesn't operate on at least 8 different levels, I'm just not interested.
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UnscathedFlyingObject wrote: American porn actresses sound like their limbs are being cut off.
You've obviously never seen a clip of Japanese porn. It is ridiculous beyond all belief.
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Obiwanshinobi wrote:Some anime can be considered "feminist", in a way. Two first Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki OAVs (1992-1995) come to mind.
How do you figure? I mean, some of the characters are rather powerful women, but at the end of the day it's a harem full of girls who want the main character's dick with occasional nudity/fanservice. :lol:
GaijinPunch wrote:You've obviously never seen a clip of Japanese porn. It is ridiculous beyond all belief.
if by ridiculous you mean awesome
and if by awesome you mean awful

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GaijinPunch wrote:
UnscathedFlyingObject wrote: American porn actresses sound like their limbs are being cut off.
You've obviously never seen a clip of Japanese porn. It is ridiculous beyond all belief.
Of course I seen Japanese porn. Unless, you mean the ultra hardcore kind, which I don't have any interest in.
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The kind where the girls "squeek". It can't be properly described in words. How any body finds that erotic is beyond me.
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ncp wrote:
Obiwanshinobi wrote:Some anime can be considered "feminist", in a way. Two first Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki OAVs (1992-1995) come to mind.
How do you figure? I mean, some of the characters are rather powerful women, but at the end of the day it's a harem full of girls who want the main character's dick with occasional nudity/fanservice. :lol:
You mean, feminists don't like the cock? News to me. "Feminist" doesn't mean "lesbian" or "misoandric", does it?
Besides, is he really the main character? Does that show even have one?
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GaijinPunch wrote:The kind where the girls "squeek". It can't be properly described in words. How any body finds that erotic is beyond me.
Squeak or cry? To me they sound like little girls being tortured or giving birth.

If you want a quick round of Japanese porn just go to www.redtube.com and type Japanese in the search engine, within 2 or 3 mins you'll get the idea.
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evil_ash_xero wrote:Yeah, but Jesus never said "don't fuck anyone under 16 or 18". I think the west just sorta came up with that one on it's own.
Very good point. 18 is just an arbitrary age we use. In Japan, IIRC, it's 16.
evil_ash_xero wrote:I think being attracted to teenage girls is totally natural. I mean, around 15 and 16, they're pretty frickin' hot, and are hard to tell from 18 year olds.

It's the pre-pubescent stuff I find a bit peculiar. And i'm just curious. I'm not saying anything about it. It just seems like it's "big in Japan", and I just wondered why.
Again, well put. When I was a teenager, I thought teen girls were hot. But once I turned 18, then all the sudden they weren't supposed to be? Odd. Teen girls are still hot, I guess. But the thing that migrated my interests was that there is a huge canyon in terms of mental maturity between the ages of 18 and 19, and again between 19 and 20, etc. This disparity seems to taper off by the early-to-mid-20's. It wasn't the fact that they ceased to be physically attractive. I was simply moving into the adult world, and I could no longer relate to high school drama crap.

I've walked up and down the streets of Akihabara, and I'd never seen this store that dcharlie was talking about. I think Skykid had mentioned that store on this board before, and I was troubled about this. But now by reading dcharlie's description, I'm not quite as offended as it seems that this shop is just skirting the boundaries of what is acceptable (typical for Japan).

Japan does seem to be a bit more accepting of the loli thing, but mainly because Japan is a country where people pretty much ignore others if they aren't bothering them and don't have crowds of fundamentalists who get all worked up over stuff.

But to contrast, it is ridiculous to swing the pendulum to the exact opposite, as this article illustrates. Basically, they're banning women with small busts in porn in Australia, deeming them immoral since their depiction will incite men to become child molesters. This is such moronic nonsense that I think that any true feminist should be outraged, since it is basically dictating how a woman's body should be shaped. I really shouldn't care about what goes on in Australia since I don't live there, nor do I really care about porn because I have plenty of other things to do than to waste my time with porn. Typical porn exemplifies the physical features that make me sick: big, slutty melons (most likely implants) and bald pussies. No thanks--makes me glad I married a J-girl. However, this ruling in Australia really offends me. I married a petite J-girl, and I admit that I am pretty partial to DFC chicks. Boobs can certainly be too big, but I really don't think they can be too small. Case in point, let's use anime characters.

Check out the nightmare-ish, gimungous sacks of fat on the appropriately-named CATTLEya from Queens Blade:

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Holy crap. Puketastically nasty. Looks like she's tied two laundry sacks around her neck and hung them from her shoulders, and probably would have the spine to prove it if she were real.

Now, check out the DFC on Etna from Disgaea:

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TEH HAWTNESS. Case closed.

I'm not into lolis, but I do get turned on with a good DFC. However, apparently the lawmakers of Australia consider me a pedophile as a result. Well, up yours, Australia. I've had jackasses insinuate that I'm a pedophile just because my wife, who is only exactly one year younger than myself, has the body of a young teenager. I've had some bitch in my neighborhood spreading gossip that I married some child bride from Asia. That bitch only wishes she'd look as good as my wife will look once she's her age. Now the Australian government is treating me the same way. I love my wife and I love her body, so that makes me a frickin' pervert? Up yours, Australia. I don't see you jerkwads passing laws against depicting women who wax their pubic hair. Why isn't that raising any red flags of pedophilia?

OK, my rant is over. This stupid crap just pisses me off.
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"Sooo, what was it that you consider a 'good salary' for a man to make?"
"They should at least make 100K to have a good life"
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Awesomeness. I've had a few friends telling me that I should watch Lucky Star and that I'd enjoy it. The game that is referred to, AFAIK, is called Shuffle.

As for that Aya Hirano vid, The boy didn't grope her, did he? He just nuzzled her. Lucky kid. He can get away with that at his age, I guess. Beats me who Aya Hirano is.
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She's the seiyuu for Konata :mrgreen:.

I think it's not unconceivable that the darn kid knew that and the value of her flat valleys. But anyways, around here we call it a boobjob (well, not really but damn!)
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Aya Hirano is also a singer and Suzumiya Haruhi speaks with her voice. Also, Pachira.
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Are small breasts sexy?

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Nothing wrong with small breasts at all.
Australia needs to chill out. You know, this kind of says to thin women, or just small breasted women: "you look like kids, and may make your man turn into a pedophile". Great work, guys!
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Obiwanshinobi wrote:Aya Hirano is also a singer and Suzumiya Haruhi speaks with her voice. Also, Pachira.
Ah, ok. I really don't know any names of anime voice actresses besides Megumi Hayashibara, Michie Tomizawa (now retired), and Chisa Yokoyama. I just found this vid of Hirano and she's pretty close to a DFC. Then again, quite a lot of Japanese girls are, God bless them. As I've said since college, "A woman's heart can only hold so much evil before her body makes room for it elsewhere."

I haven't seen Haruhi either, but I've been collecting the manga so far. Haruhi is a pettanko/DFC character too, right?
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greg wrote:
evil_ash_xero wrote:I think Skykid had mentioned that store on this board before, and I was troubled about this. But now by reading dcharlie's description, I'm not quite as offended as it seems that this shop is just skirting the boundaries of what is acceptable (typical for Japan).
Wait until you walk in there mate.
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Uh, no thanks. I'm sure it's creepy enough as it is, even if it is only barely skirting the law.
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greg wrote:
evil_ash_xero wrote:Yeah, but Jesus never said "don't fuck anyone under 16 or 18". I think the west just sorta came up with that one on it's own.
Very good point. 18 is just an arbitrary age we use. In Japan, IIRC, it's 16.
a quick reading of this gives the impression that it's 13:
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children ... ajapan.asp. Japan WTF?

and I agree there is nothing wrong liking women who are on the Itty Bitty Titty Committee. Australia WTF?
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evil_ash_xero wrote:Let's not even compare them to the Japanese ones, where it's painfully obvious that they're supposedly being pushed into it, and having pain from it(oh, but they can't resist!). I don't see the Japanese ones going "oh, fuck yeah!!!". Of course, they aren't saying anything except "AIEEEEE!".
My friend, clearly you don't watch enough porn. As a connoisseur of JAV, my ears have clearly beheld numerous Nipponese females gaily jubilating over their ii kimochi's and motto motto's. Moreover, I have seen several females rape hapless Japanese salarymen during office hours, while smiling joyously at the humiliation inflicted upon the males. Truly, JAV is an egalitarian porn fan's wunderland.
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I think you'll find Cattleya is anatomically correct.
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greg wrote:I haven't seen Haruhi either, but I've been collecting the manga so far. Haruhi is a pettanko/DFC character too, right?
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Taylor wrote:I think you'll find Cattleya is anatomically correct.
Nope, sorry. The girl in the link you provided certainly is not as big as the figures and drawings of Cattleya I've seen. While she ain't my cup of tea, she at least has a pretty face. Too big though, and the razor burn ain't flattering either. By the end of those pictures, I was thinking, "WTH is going on here?" certainly NSFW. The pettanko galleries on sankaku complex are much nicer, IMHO.

While we're talking about cosplay though, I'd much rather look at this girl anyday. Major hottage.
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Man, I'm going to have to start using more exclamation marks.
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Taylor wrote:Man, I'm going to have to start using more exclamation marks.
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antron wrote:
ncp wrote:do you want violent virtual media banned too?
if it doesn't causes significantly more violence then no.

if it does, we must weigh that.
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Are you helping me prove my point against you, or... ?
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