Shmups that haven't stood the test of time

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:39 pm

Now I really killed the thread, mwa ha ha.

astrodan88 · Post by **astrodan88** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:08 pm

John845 wrote:Steel Empire - Genesis

ban plz

Seriously, there are PLENTY of mega drive shmups that have aged worse (or weren't never very youthful to begin with). Anyone play the GBA update?

glitch · Post by **glitch** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:18 pm

astrodan88 wrote:Anyone play the GBA update?

yes, good times!
never played the original though.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:40 pm

astrodan88 wrote:
John845 wrote:Steel Empire - Genesis
ban plz

Seriously, there are PLENTY of mega drive shmups that have aged worse (or weren't never very youthful to begin with). Anyone play the GBA update?

Thunder Force I doesn't seem so hot. But wait, was that actually on the Mega Drive?

I got another one. Raid on Bungeling Bay on the NES. Technically it's a shmup, right? What a slow-moving piece of shit. I never did finish it, I kept falling asleep. Also the NES version of Tiger Heli is even slower than the arcade version. There's really no reason to play it any more.

320x240 · Post by **320x240** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:56 pm

When discussing which games haven't stood the test of time it's important to take into account the changing trends and fads in game design. Lot's of older games are really fun if you manage to get into their rythm. Just like modern games they are meant to be played in a certain way, requiring the player to get into a certain mindset, and if he don't, he's missing out on the fun.

astrodan88 · Post by **astrodan88** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:59 pm

doctorx0079 wrote:Thunder Force I doesn't seem so hot. But wait, was that actually on the Mega Drive?

If you mean regular old Thunder Force, yeah.
If you mean the Mega Drive Thunder Force trilogy, no. They are immortal.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:29 am

astrodan88 wrote:
doctorx0079 wrote:Thunder Force I doesn't seem so hot. But wait, was that actually on the Mega Drive?
If you mean regular old Thunder Force, yeah.
If you mean the Mega Drive Thunder Force trilogy, no. They are immortal.

I meant regular old Thunder Force of course.

antron · Post by **antron** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:27 am

doctorx0079 wrote:
astrodan88 wrote:
doctorx0079 wrote:Thunder Force I doesn't seem so hot. But wait, was that actually on the Mega Drive?
If you mean regular old Thunder Force, yeah.
If you mean the Mega Drive Thunder Force trilogy, no. They are immortal.
I meant regular old Thunder Force of course.

I thought that was for obscure computers only.

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:12 am

I still enjoy Galaga immensely. Now Space Invaders, on the other hand... I never really was a fan of that. That said, Space Invaders Extreme is awesome.

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:51 am

MathU wrote:I still enjoy Galaga immensely. Now Space Invaders, on the other hand... I never really was a fan of that. That said, Space Invaders Extreme is awesome.

I share the same feelings…

I enjoy Galaga (especially Galaga '90) to this day, but have never cared for Space Invaders. My sister had this for her Atari when I was a child and I actually hated it…

Now Space Invaders Extreme on the Nintendo DS is indeed awesome… I still need to get my own copy along with paddle controller. I actually didn't even get it initially because it was infact name 'Space Invaders'…

indutrial · Post by **indutrial** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:45 pm

I always had a fondness for the SNES shooters that first got me into the genre. Games like UN Squadron, the reworked Gradius III, Axelay, and the two R-Type entries had some great level designs, bosses, and certainly some of the best music in the genre thus-far (and in a lot of cases, since). When I play something like Axelay, the artistic side of the game still impresses me, despite any faults the gameplay may have. The music (themes like 'Colony' and 'Silence') certainly keeps me more interested than the forgettable soundtracks in games like Dodonpachi (though, of course everything else about that game is awesome). The fact that shmups started to go extinct in the U.S. right as companies like Konami and Irem were reaching that stage of refinement amounts to a huge bummer. It would have been nice to see an Axelay 2 or SNES releases of Salamander II or Xexex.

I'm a total newbie at the bullet-hell genre of shooters, and a large part of me doesn't see myself enjoying the style of those games on a long-term basis. More games like Ikaruga and Gradius V would be nice.

orange · Post by **orange** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:52 pm

motherfucking axelay 2

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:30 pm

antron wrote:
doctorx0079 wrote:
astrodan88 wrote: If you mean regular old Thunder Force, yeah.
If you mean the Mega Drive Thunder Force trilogy, no. They are immortal.
I meant regular old Thunder Force of course.
I thought that was for obscure computers only.

Okay. Not the Mega Drive's fault.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:31 pm

indutrial wrote:I always had a fondness for the SNES shooters that first got me into the genre. Games like UN Squadron, the reworked Gradius III, Axelay, and the two R-Type entries had some great level designs, bosses, and certainly some of the best music in the genre thus-far (and in a lot of cases, since). When I play something like Axelay, the artistic side of the game still impresses me, despite any faults the gameplay may have. The music (themes like 'Colony' and 'Silence') certainly keeps me more interested than the forgettable soundtracks in games like Dodonpachi (though, of course everything else about that game is awesome). The fact that shmups started to go extinct in the U.S. right as companies like Konami and Irem were reaching that stage of refinement amounts to a huge bummer. It would have been nice to see an Axelay 2 or SNES releases of Salamander II or Xexex.

I'm a total newbie at the bullet-hell genre of shooters, and a large part of me doesn't see myself enjoying the style of those games on a long-term basis. More games like Ikaruga and Gradius V would be nice.

OT

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:32 pm

Sonic R wrote:
MathU wrote:I still enjoy Galaga immensely. Now Space Invaders, on the other hand... I never really was a fan of that. That said, Space Invaders Extreme is awesome.
I share the same feelings…

I enjoy Galaga (especially Galaga '90) to this day, but have never cared for Space Invaders. My sister had this for her Atari when I was a child and I actually hated it…

Now Space Invaders Extreme on the Nintendo DS is indeed awesome… I still need to get my own copy along with paddle controller. I actually didn't even get it initially because it was infact name 'Space Invaders'…

Galaga has not stood the test of time. However, I like Galaga '88/'90.

I actually prefer Space Invaders to Galaga original. Maybe because SI is harder, I'm not sure.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:59 pm

Compile

...am I the ONLY person here who thinks Halley Wars and Robo Aleste have aged well...?

FRO · Post by **FRO** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:55 pm

Zweihander wrote:
Compile
...am I the ONLY person here who thinks Halley Wars and Robo Aleste have aged well...?

No, I think most of Compile's titles are still relevant and play well. The original Aleste is a bit laborious to play these days (as is Zanac), but for the most part, Compile's stuff is still very fun.

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:59 pm

[quote]I can't see many people getting much out of the first two Darius games[/quote}

OMG, sacrilege

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:11 pm

DC906270 wrote:
I can't see many people getting much out of the first two Darius games[/quote}

OMG, sacrilege

What's this "Darius" game everyone keeps talking about? Something about giant fish... is it anything like that "Sagaia" game for Genesis?

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:15 pm

Zweihander wrote:
DC906270 wrote:
I can't see many people getting much out of the first two Darius games[/quote}

OMG, sacrilege
What's this "Darius" game everyone keeps talking about? Something about giant fish... is it anything like that "Sagaia" game for Genesis?

I get a lot out of Darius 1 and 2 but maybe that's because I'm the kind of philistine who's SICK OF MF'N GALAGA. I do like 1942 and Xevious though.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:31 pm

doctorx0079 wrote:
Zweihander wrote:
DC906270 wrote: What's this "Darius" game everyone keeps talking about? Something about giant fish... is it anything like that "Sagaia" game for Genesis?
I get a lot out of Darius 1 and 2 but maybe that's because I'm the kind of philistine who's SICK OF MF'N GALAGA. I do like 1942 and Xevious though.

I hear you on Galaga because every fucking arcade in a 30-mile radius has only ONE shmup... Galaga. Hell, I hate Xevious but I'd rather be playing that for some variety. There was this one place semi-nearby that used to have Raiden Fighters Jet...

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:40 pm

Zweihander wrote:I hear you on Galaga because every fucking arcade in a 30-mile radius has only ONE shmup... Galaga. Hell, I hate Xevious but I'd rather be playing that for some variety. There was this one place semi-nearby that used to have Raiden Fighters Jet...

Hehe, when I was in Trinidad, in the arcade in the Movietowne theatre [only one I've seen with any shmups], there were only 2 shmups, and Galaga was one of them [the other was Wyvern Wings [1p stick has been broken for at least 5 years, BTW], which I played way too much of, despite me sucking at it, and after 2 months of practice, I had only just begun to start getting to level 3].

The moral of my story:
Galaga is fun, but it's like Hydro Thunder -- when you see it EVERYWHERE, you get sick of it.

Kollision · Post by **Kollision** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:00 am

Zweihander wrote:
DC906270 wrote:
I can't see many people getting much out of the first two Darius games
OMG, sacrilege
What's this "Darius" game everyone keeps talking about? Something about giant fish... is it anything like that "Sagaia" game for Genesis?

Sagaia is the port of Darius II for the Genesis, as released in North America. It's called Darius II in Japan.

And yes, that's sacrilege!

Sagaia for the Mega Drive is one of my favorite games of all time.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:41 am

Kollision wrote:
Zweihander wrote:
DC906270 wrote: OMG, sacrilege
What's this "Darius" game everyone keeps talking about? Something about giant fish... is it anything like that "Sagaia" game for Genesis?
Sagaia is the port of Darius II for the Genesis, as released in North America. It's called Darius II in Japan.

I thought I implied sarcasm in my post. Guess it wasn't blatant enough.

Kollision · Post by **Kollision** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:58 am

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:41 am

Kollision wrote:ops!

Nah, it's cool. Sarcasm isn't as easily detected online anyway. A lot of people are assholes about it (even assholier than me), but honestly, without the tone of voice implying sarcasm, it could be anyone's guess.

J-Manic · Post by **J-Manic** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:24 pm

The first title that came to my mind when I saw this topic was Raiden II.

toaplan_shmupfan · Post by **toaplan_shmupfan** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:56 pm

I also don't think 1942 has aged well.

Difficulty-wise, it's likely that not many have finished all 32 stages, but there are much more interesting shmups in terms of gameplay and graphics that I find it's hard to stay interested in playing 1942 past the first big plane boss.

Then there's the separate issue of drum and whistle music that gets very old after about stage 4.

indutrial · Post by **indutrial** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:05 am

toaplan_shmupfan wrote:I also don't think 1942 has aged well.

Difficulty-wise, it's likely that not many have finished all 32 stages, but there are much more interesting shmups in terms of gameplay and graphics that I find it's hard to stay interested in playing 1942 past the first big plane boss.

Then there's the separate issue of drum and whistle music that gets very old after about stage 4.

I used to own that game on the NES and I definitely agree with you on all these points. How much time does a full run-through of this game actually take?

I remember yelling "bullshit" at my TV as a child when I defeated the big plane (a couple times during the game actually) and was rewarded with one of the crappiest boss explosions ever.

Sorry for the OT above.

Kaiser · Post by **Kaiser** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:12 am

Zing Zing Zip
Ryu Jin
Ashura Blaster
Arcade ver. of Air Buster
Armed Unit Gallop

Yes i love those games and i'm a horrible person