My (very tongue-in-cheek) comments never mentioned anything close to that point. This entire discourse is getting beyond absurd; and if that’s the way it's going I don’t want to be associated with it.escadrille wrote:Inaccurate comparison. Nobody is saying touhou makes you chase after real underage girls.
In before caved.Momijitsuki wrote:Human or Werehakutaku?
She looks more like a sailor to me.Momijitsuki wrote:You're forgetting Chiyuri Kitashirakawa from Phantasmagoria from Dim. Dream. Hat aside, she looks just like an anime schoolgirl.
Reisen is close though.
Young girls. "Lolis." I'm unfamiliar with the... technical terminology in this case. During the games the characters are mostly dodging and shooting, but one hopes they attend school in their off hours.moozooh wrote:Which is funny because the Touhou universe contains zero schoolgirls (and no schools that I know of).escadrille wrote:I'm only noting that people who enjoy anime schoolgirls sometimes tend to also enjoy hentai.
That aside, I should additionally stress out something that bloodflowers has said on numerous occasions: Touhou characters are always presented decently; there is not a single sexual situation, or even an innuendo thereof. Not to mention that none of them are actually drawn to [try to] look sexually attractive. Unlike said Cave games, btw. (Not that I have anything against that, but you have to separate the author's intention from the fanbase's intention.)
Well, schoolgirl uniforms are often called 'seifuku' (sailor uniforms). Hat aside, they look pretty much the same.GrimoreLibrarian wrote:She looks more like a sailor to me.Momijitsuki wrote:You're forgetting Chiyuri Kitashirakawa from Phantasmagoria from Dim. Dream. Hat aside, she looks just like an anime schoolgirl.
Reisen is close though.
You know the main reason for that? Touhou games all belong to the same series. If you take, say, all DonPachi games, they will all look similar and have similar gameplay. Which is true. It is also true that if you play them more, you'll notice that, while the core gameplay stays similar, there are lots of more subtle differences throughout, like those in scoring systems, or character handing, or modes of fire, etc.. Same with, say, ESP series. Or Mushi. I believe Cave would get exatly the same amount of flak if they only stuck to one series.escadrille wrote:However Cave produces a more diverse collection of game themes than touhou.
Matskat wrote:This neighborhood USED to be nice...until that family of emulators moved in across the street....
This is my pet peeve with ZUN. It is clear he has talent (disproportionate character art aside), and can make good games (I've enjoyed EoSD, MoF and SA), but he squanders it making games catered to his loyal and creepily fanatical fanbase. And because of that, his games always end up being similar in design, gameplay and pacing, to appease the "more of the same" crowd.moozooh wrote:It's just that he doesn't make anything beside his series of choice, because, well, he doesn't have nor want to. So I don't think it's fair to blame him for the lack of diversity.
I actually heard that he never wanted Touhou to be as popular as it is now. I may be wrong, but I do remember hearing that he delayed Mountain of Faith because he wanted the fandom to die down. I can't really call that catering to his "creepily fanatical" fanbase.Icarus wrote:This is my pet peeve with ZUN. It is clear he has talent (disproportionate character art aside), and can make good games (I've enjoyed EoSD, MoF and SA), but he squanders it making games catered to his loyal and creepily fanatical fanbase. And because of that, his games always end up being similar in design, gameplay and pacing, to appease the "more of the same" crowd.moozooh wrote:It's just that he doesn't make anything beside his series of choice, because, well, he doesn't have nor want to. So I don't think it's fair to blame him for the lack of diversity.
"Familiarity breeds contempt", after all.
I'd like to see him do something completely different, just for once.
What about the Seihou series? Almost no one talks about that, which is very sad because those are an incredible set of games (Though, to my knowledge, ZUn only did the music composition for Shuusho Gyoku).Momijitsuki wrote:As for ZUN making non-Touhou games, there is Uwabami Breakers.
Sure, it's basically Touhou sans loligirls with alcohol instead, but still.
Seihou is Touhou's sister series, it started before EoSD was made. Unlike Touhou, Seihou has a lower number of bullets, but they're faster and more likely to kill you. That, and though you play as a robot maid (Who's the best maid to ever be imagined), your enemies consist mainly of large battleships and mecha. This series has three main games and a spin-ff, Samidare.gennss wrote:I'm new at this, don't mention new series without posting a link!!! (ok, i'll rephrase, link please?) Whats Seihou?
Well, you answered your own question there. ZUN really didn't have much to do with Seihou, although he did the music-- and also Reimu and Marisa show up as Extra stage bosses.SockPuppetHyren wrote:What about the Seihou series? Almost no one talks about that, which is very sad because those are an incredible set of games (Though, to my knowledge, ZUn only did the music composition for Shuusho Gyoku).Momijitsuki wrote:As for ZUN making non-Touhou games, there is Uwabami Breakers.
Sure, it's basically Touhou sans loligirls with alcohol instead, but still.
Same.joeboto wrote:i'd hit it. hopefully we can see miku in touhou, kthx.shadowbringer wrote: Incidentally, ZUN likes Hatsune Miku
I agree with everything you've said here. As I said earler, ZUN does what he likes, and there are fans who enjoy it. No problem.moozooh wrote:You know the main reason for that? Touhou games all belong to the same series. If you take, say, all DonPachi games, they will all look similar and have similar gameplay. Which is true. It is also true that if you play them more, you'll notice that, while the core gameplay stays similar, there are lots of more subtle differences throughout, like those in scoring systems, or character handing, or modes of fire, etc.. Same with, say, ESP series. Or Mushi. I believe Cave would get exatly the same amount of flak if they only stuck to one series.escadrille wrote:However Cave produces a more diverse collection of game themes than touhou.
But for what it's worth, Cave is a commercial developer that makes arcade games, and ZUN is a lone beerholic who makes PC homebrew. Despite having less obligations to his audience, his quality output in the context of series isn't worse: all sequels have largely the same kinds of differences throughout as with Cave games (and it's actually quite surprising that he manages to come up with new stuff by the time of making a 10th sequel; this is actually pretty hard). It's just that he doesn't make anything beside his series of choice, because, well, he doesn't have nor want to. So I don't think it's fair to blame him for the lack of diversity.
People just want him to start making non-Touhou games, which I don't think he will (at least not as a hobby).
Which one did you play? Perfect Cherry Blossom was my first and it's my overall favorite-- though Imperishable Night and Subterranean Animism are strongly contesting it-- mainly because I'm better at Imperishable Night and Subterranean Animism is absolutely gorgeous.SockPuppetHyren wrote:Finally got a chance to try this out. And I must say, this game fills me with LOVE AND JOY! Seriously, I haven't had this good of a time playing the first lever of a game since I first played R-Type Delta.
Imperishable Night was my first Touhou game, and it was a very nice experience and made me interested in trying out the rest of the Touhou series. Oddly enough, I liked Highly Responsive to prayers more than some of the windows games. Imperishable Night is still my favorite of the windows set, and this one seems to be on my favorite list also.Momijitsuki wrote:Which one did you play? Perfect Cherry Blossom was my first and it's my overall favorite-- though Imperishable Night and Subterranean Animism are strongly contesting it-- mainly because I'm better at Imperishable Night and Subterranean Animism is absolutely gorgeous.SockPuppetHyren wrote:Finally got a chance to try this out. And I must say, this game fills me with LOVE AND JOY! Seriously, I haven't had this good of a time playing the first lever of a game since I first played R-Type Delta.
Imperishable Night is pretty good. I ordered it a couple of weeks ago, it just arrived today.SockPuppetHyren wrote:Imperishable Night was my first Touhou game, and it was a very nice experience and made me interested in trying out the rest of the Touhou series. Oddly enough, I liked Highly Responsive to prayers more than some of the windows games. Maybe I'm just a weirdo. Imperishable Night is still my favorite of the windows set, and this one seems to be on my favorite list also.Momijitsuki wrote:Which one did you play? Perfect Cherry Blossom was my first and it's my overall favorite-- though Imperishable Night and Subterranean Animism are strongly contesting it-- mainly because I'm better at Imperishable Night and Subterranean Animism is absolutely gorgeous.SockPuppetHyren wrote:Finally got a chance to try this out. And I must say, this game fills me with LOVE AND JOY! Seriously, I haven't had this good of a time playing the first lever of a game since I first played R-Type Delta.
You went out and bought it? UNHEARD OF!Momijitsuki wrote:Imperishable Night is pretty good. I ordered it a couple of weeks ago, it just arrived today.SockPuppetHyren wrote:Imperishable Night was my first Touhou game, and it was a very nice experience and made me interested in trying out the rest of the Touhou series. Oddly enough, I liked Highly Responsive to prayers more than some of the windows games. Maybe I'm just a weirdo. Imperishable Night is still my favorite of the windows set, and this one seems to be on my favorite list also.Momijitsuki wrote: Which one did you play? Perfect Cherry Blossom was my first and it's my overall favorite-- though Imperishable Night and Subterranean Animism are strongly contesting it-- mainly because I'm better at Imperishable Night and Subterranean Animism is absolutely gorgeous.
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Fixed for accuracy to my own experiences.Highly Responsive to Prayers is fun too, especially when you learn that Reimu's face isn't the same as the paddle in Arkanoid.
You have an odd definition of bizarre and creepy. Either, that, or you're taking things too seriously. Take it easy.captpain wrote:@moo:
Just sort of "flat" -- not in depth, but general appearance. I don't care much for the colors, IMO there isn't enough detail... etc. etc.
Plus something about the way the sprites move around looks kind of cheesy, like a cheap freeware game (I realize this is one guy of course so I guess this is expected)
@SockPuppet:
Having huge anime girls pop in and out of the screen every few minutes is really bizarre, and if I recall correctly they all look 10 years old. I've played PCB and IN. Not too much, though.
Haha, no, I would say that the majority of people on planet Earth would define the TouHou games as bizarre.SockPuppetHyren wrote:You have an odd definition of bizarre and creepy. Either, that, or you're taking things too seriously. Take it easy.captpain wrote:@moo:
Just sort of "flat" -- not in depth, but general appearance. I don't care much for the colors, IMO there isn't enough detail... etc. etc.
Plus something about the way the sprites move around looks kind of cheesy, like a cheap freeware game (I realize this is one guy of course so I guess this is expected)
@SockPuppet:
Having huge anime girls pop in and out of the screen every few minutes is really bizarre, and if I recall correctly they all look 10 years old. I've played PCB and IN. Not too much, though.
