Cave shmups coming to X360 confirmed!

Warp_Rattler · Post by **Warp_Rattler** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:18 am

From the bottom of the second Ketsui page:

世界中のプレイヤーとスコアが競えるオンラインランキングに対応

"Players from all over the world can compete in sharing their scores." (Very, very roughly translated--I hate written short form sentences with no direct subject.) The DDP DOJ BL X page has a similar blurb. Standard XBox Live ranking boilerplate text, or an early hint at a more internationally-minded release?!?

LET THE BASELESS SPECULATION BEGIN!

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:21 am

the resolution won't be true low res but if arika is doing it I'd bet money on a 480p with fake scanline options just like the sega ages. they could have it in a higher res also with a fake scanline option.

either way I have a import 360 so a ketsui port would be a nice alternative.

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:27 am

Arika aren't porting it, Its being done by 5pb who have a history with digital novels.

http://www.5pb.jp/games/

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:28 am

I don't have any problem with lack of TATE if all of the gameplay area is on the screen and not blurry. It made a huge difference on SD sets but it's more a cosmetic thing now. Triggerheart assured me this really isn't a problem.

Speaking of Triggerheart, it has TATE, even in the US version. Just a side note there.

Would it hurt to get some people together to tell Atlus or someone we would like to play these games in the States? Pixelcorps got those folks together and raised a lot of money to get that Ketsui PCB to that guy that said it was lame and probably won't do much with it for quite some time (especially now) I figure if people are that desperate they'd easily sign a petition or something. Not that those ever seem to get anything done, but maybe we'd have some grassroots fun doing it and get some people interested in the genre anyways.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:48 am

either way, at least i get a chance to play them.

KUQ · Post by **KUQ** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:52 am

I been lurking this board for years, but this thread forced me to fucking register. You guys are all dicks.

First i see one that says "no need for a ketsui port", yeah, really? Then why have people bitched about it like since before it was released?

Then Ceph just goes on and on about 360s exploding and cumming all over. Guess what, I had my launch console until now, it died and DHL picked it up at my door, then they visited me one god damn week later and handed a brand new one in too my hands. Yeah, thats just... catastrophic customer service, like your going to die 1-2 weeks without your games.

Here we have a port of the ONE game that people have cried, and bitched, wanked off too screenshots and what do you do? Fucking cry more.

There are online leaderboards and shit, as long as it's not complete and utterly broken, the rest of us non-elitistic assholes will enjoy the game.

hermosaguy · Post by **hermosaguy** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:58 am

Now I'll finally be able to put my EX2 stick to use! Was there a tentative release date?

eretsua · Post by **eretsua** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:09 am

it's hardly worth the time but here it goes.

KUQ wrote:Then Ceph just goes on and on about 360s exploding and cumming all over. Guess what, I had my launch console until now, it died and DHL picked it up at my door, then they visited me one god damn week later and handed a brand new one in too my hands. Yeah, thats just... catastrophic customer service, like your going to die 1-2 weeks without your games.

sure, customer service replaces/fixes your xbox360. the xbox360 in my household is the 4th that has been fixed/replaced by microsoft. last time around it took six and a half weeks before it was returned to us by microsoft. so their customer service works, not flawlessly but it works. yet all this of this is not even close to the point which is that the damned machine needs all those repairs! it's a poorly designed piece of technology, prone to failure. and in the case of a region lock on the upcoming cave ports your going to need a japanese machine. and microsoft is not going to send dhl over to pick up your jap machine and fix it for you.

KUQ wrote:Here we have a port of the ONE game that people have cried, and bitched, wanked off too screenshots and what do you do? Fucking cry more.

exactly, people have been waiting for this and want it to be a good one.

KUQ wrote:There are online leaderboards and shit, as long as it's not complete and utterly broken, the rest of us non-elitistic assholes will enjoy the game.

sure, for many people a random, half way decent port will do but also for some people here only a (near) perfect port will be appreciated. and cave's most recent ports have been far from perfect so there is room for concern. if you don't care about it, that's fine but i, and many others here do! which is at least an equally valid opinion as you who (apparently) don't care about the details as much.

KUQ wrote:I been lurking this board for years, but this thread forced me to fucking register. You guys are all dicks.

and a lovely welcome to you as well.

charlie chong · Post by **charlie chong** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:10 am

KUQ wrote:I the rest of us non-elitistic assholes will enjoy the game.

Dont worry dude i felt the same about psikyo shmuppers post.. wot a dick.
he was the one who complained and whinged so much about ketsui price rises and shit as well.. most these guys spend most of there time going ZOMG CAYVES IS SO HARD I AMZ A SPACCA.// so it's not worth worrying about there opinions

any true fan (even one who collects pcbs) could only see this as a good thing no matter what console/region its released on..

Neverland · Post by **Neverland** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:27 am

amazing news
i hope cave will insert a training mode in this porting.

glitch · Post by **glitch** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:29 am

dude...
it's not Cave porting this. >_<

edit: not Arika either, in case you were wondering.

nem · Post by **nem** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:38 am

I like the vocal bunch that crap on releases ad-nauseam because the games aren't in lo-res. Amusing, because the vast majority of Shmups members are absolutely content playing their 15khz STG titles in MAME on a VGA monitor (gasp, maybe even an LCD!). Just take a survey of the top-ranking STGT players to see that picture quality is really not an issue.

As for the whole tate argument, it's stupid. The 360 can not display in 15khz. In high-res there's enough resolution to display vertical games in yoko format, therefore, lack of tate = a non-issue.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:46 am

szycag wrote:It made a huge difference on SD sets but it's more a cosmetic thing now. Triggerheart assured me this really isn't a problem.

THE is a 480p, polygon-based game. The two in question are 240p sprite based. They definitely don't "upgrade" as nicely.

You guys are all dicks.

Guilty as charged.

nem wrote: As for the whole tate argument, it's stupid. The 360 can not display in 15khz. In high-res there's enough resolution to display vertical games in yoko format, therefore, lack of tate = a non-issue.

Uh... it does. Frequency set aside (it really means nothing), TATE allows for more of the usable screen space to be used (view space larger.... less wallpaper). There's no two ways about it. TATE = better. And playing MAME on an LCD... you at least have the option to emulate low res. The only ports that do this that I'm aware of are the latter half of Sega's Sega Ages series.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:56 am

Macaw wrote:Upscaled and filtered for superior picture quality on HD TV's!!

Impossible with 240p games from every example I've seen. Most people I know play 360 on an HDTV so these will look like ass whatever they do. Here's hoping it has the appropriate options for using a tate'd CRT as well.

Still great news though.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:58 am

GaijinPunch wrote:The only ports that do this that I'm aware of are the latter half of Sega's Sega Ages series.

They'd do well to look at Gunstar Heroes Treasure box - 240p, 480i, 480p, 480p + scanlines...

hirounder · Post by **hirounder** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:01 pm

Good news. I was hoping for Cave 360 port(s) but not from this 5pb company, wonder how they got involved instead of (poor) Arika.
Both ports seems to be still early in development though (20-30% done?).

Shion · Post by **Shion** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:10 pm

Nice, Cave getting a bigger audience is great. It won't be enough to make me buy a 360 though. Hopefully the PCB will drop in price so I can pick that up instead ^^

I can dream, right?

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:13 pm

microsoft: stop the fuck buying all rights.

cave: thanks a lot, fuckheads.

sony: lets cry ourselves to sleep.

nintendo: dont try to help us out.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:18 pm

on the contrary to most other collectors i actually think this port will make a small dent in the price of the PCB, it certainly wont drop back down to $300 but might level out at $7-800 for a loose PCB, just a guestimate.

as far as the port goes im pretty indifferent to be honest, i dont really care what console its for, what region it is or how high the quality is, ive been playing these games for years and will continue doing so.. in my cabs.
port or no port i will keep my PCBs regardless.

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:24 pm

"THE is a 480p, polygon-based game. The two in question are 240p sprite based. They definitely don't "upgrade" as nicely."

That's true but just look at Metal Slug 3 on XBLA - doesn't look that bad imo. Btw, even if this will sound like heresy to some...it is very likely that both games are going to be released as XBLA titles and not boxed full price games.
We're talking about MS and the 360 here - if it really gets ported they will try to sell it EVERYWHERE. One of the reasons XBLA exists is to have a (worldwide) distribution channel for smaller and/or more obscure titles.
Great news, pretty surprising. It will be very interesting to see whether the people that started to get into arcade style gaming through XBLA (Geometry Wars, Omega Five) will get the concept of a bullet hell shooter.

nem · Post by **nem** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:41 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
nem wrote: As for the whole tate argument, it's stupid. The 360 can not display in 15khz. In high-res there's enough resolution to display vertical games in yoko format, therefore, lack of tate = a non-issue.
Uh... it does. Frequency set aside (it really means nothing), TATE allows for more of the usable screen space to be used (view space larger.... less wallpaper). There's no two ways about it. TATE = better.

Frequency means everything. If you have a 15khz monitor, lo-res vertical games can only be perfectly displayed on a tated screen. You know this, I know this. However, with a 31khz monitor you are upscaling everything. There is no difference in a tated 15" VGA monitor and a yoko-oriented 20" monitor (as long as the aspect ratio is the same). Resolution is the same, screen estate is the same. Tate = non-issue.

Necronom wrote:"THE is a 480p, polygon-based game. The two in question are 240p sprite based. They definitely don't "upgrade" as nicely."

That's true but just look at Metal Slug 3 on XBLA - doesn't look that bad imo.

Are you kidding? It looks absolutely terrible. The reason for this is that they used some awful 2XSaI like filter.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:56 pm

I like the way Metal Slug 3 looks on XLA. Xevious for XLA looks so good that I see no reason to get the PCB, personally, and I generally like to have the PCBs of my favorite games. As long as you have a Hori stick and a nice tv, you're not missing anything significant, imo, if you stick with the 360 version.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:09 pm

KUQ wrote:I been lurking this board for years, but this thread forced me to fucking register. You guys are all dicks.

First i see one that says "no need for a ketsui port", yeah, really? Then why have people bitched about it like since before it was released?

Then Ceph just goes on and on about 360s exploding and cumming all over. Guess what, I had my launch console until now, it died and DHL picked it up at my door, then they visited me one god damn week later and handed a brand new one in too my hands. Yeah, thats just... catastrophic customer service, like your going to die 1-2 weeks without your games.

Here we have a port of the ONE game that people have cried, and bitched, wanked off too screenshots and what do you do? Fucking cry more.

There are online leaderboards and shit, as long as it's not complete and utterly broken, the rest of us non-elitistic assholes will enjoy the game.

Haha, spoken like a true 1st poster and Xbox360 Fanboy.

Great work, youll enjoy your stay here i think!

Harlequin

Plasmo · Post by **Plasmo** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:28 pm

GREAT NEWS!
I'm going to buy a jap xbox360 right now!

also: PORKPORT

jpolz · Post by **jpolz** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:33 pm

Looks like my new HORI Fighting Stick EX2 will get getting plenty of use!

Leroy · Post by **Leroy** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:48 pm

This is beyond fuck-awesome news.

I can't believe all the people here crying about this.. I would say that it's pretty sad but if you've been on "the internet" for over ten years you've come to just expect it. No, it's still sad, actually.

For the uneducated, low-res games can look great on the 360, just as they can in MAME on an LCD with the right settings. Ultimately though, it's up to the developer, but anybody with a 360 can check out the demos for Castlevania: Symphony of the Night or TMNT Arcade with the filtering turned off. Nice, meaty, sharp as knives pixels.. in HD.

jpolz wrote:Looks like my new HORI Fighting Stick EX2 will get getting plenty of use!

Hell yes!

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:56 pm

SuperPang wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:The only ports that do this that I'm aware of are the latter half of Sega's Sega Ages series.
They'd do well to look at Gunstar Heroes Treasure box - 240p, 480i, 480p, 480p + scanlines...

That was the first in the series that had all 4 options.

Frequency means everything. If you have a 15khz monitor, lo-res vertical games can only be perfectly displayed on a tated screen. You know this, I know this. However, with a 31khz monitor you are upscaling everything. There is no difference in a tated 15" VGA monitor and a yoko-oriented 20" monitor (as long as the aspect ratio is the same). Resolution is the same, screen estate is the same. Tate = non-issue.

Two issues:
15khz TATE = perfect aspect ratio.
31khz anything (yoko or tate) = upscaled/line-doubled whatever. If you're playing it in TATE it will look like shit, but you're still using more of the screen. The ratio is the same regardless, but it's bigger. Not having TATE mode is a huge issue. Even the Famitsu article says, "Original arcade ratio fit into matted screen... you need to have a big TV". If it has TATE, despite the fact it's still a turd, it will be a bigger picture. Maybe not a huge issue on 52" and up. On smaller TVs it will be.

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:03 pm

"Are you kidding? It looks absolutely terrible. The reason for this is that they used some awful 2XSaI like filter."

Though I prefer playing it on Mame with scanlines I favour the XBLA over the PS2 one at any time.
I really hope they release Ketsui as XBLA with a replay function in order to achieve the same effect Mame did a few years ago when DDP, Dagun and Guwange got emulated - a whole bunch of new and open minded fans.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:08 pm

Plasmo wrote: also: PORKPORT

I think a porkport would push me over the edge. I don´t have the money to buy a JPN XBOX360 AND a new TV (let alone the space for that in my room), but that game would do it.

Maybe anyone here needs a kidney? I have one for sale.

Segafan4life · Post by **Segafan4life** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:22 pm

Low rez games look like crap in high rez unless its Metal Slug 3 port on Xbox 360. But that had the sprites that were redrawn from the PS2 version.

Only way the Ketsui port comes out decent in HD is if they redraw the sprites for that resolution.

Seems to me the only thing HD is good for is Naomi and Type X ports.