Italy vs Shmups.com

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:01 am

Gemant wrote: I suggest you not to reply anymore here, unless you don't want to be publicly unmasked in front of you friends who don't know who you really are.

Haha, well who is Randorama then? Batman?

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:12 am

Forse non hai capito quello che intendevo dire io (o ti premeva di piu' rispondere ad altre cose), ad ogni modo ho scritto in italiano per non coinvolgere la gente qui in cose che non sanno e che fraintenderebbero in mezzo secondo. Ma ok.

Randorama wrote: This and the Neverland's post: in short, if people go around saying "zomg you post fake scores"

Don't know what Nev posted, btw: I wrote something different that deserved a different answer. But here we go...

and other dumb comments, something's horribly wrong, especially when there are a few replays of mine (there were, done on the old PC and on Final Burn),

Burp. If a single score was proved it doesn't automatically mean that 40mil in Guwange (then changed to 20, then whatever) was real, 2-all in Sonic Wings (than changed to 1-all) was real and so on. Only a logical thought, of course.

and especially when it comes from people that spend their (useless) time trolling on usenet (being older than 12 even!).

Names plz. Except Gemant I don't see any other "trolling on usenet" lover. SO, wtf? Why all the italians should be as you say?

I can't care less about the usual Italian style of "i accuse you of something and since i have my dumb buddies to back me up in my lies, i am right".

The italian style? Did Turrican ever did this? Did I? Your "hate" for Gemant seems the excuse for you to elevate yourself above the others. But doing this you awkwardly do the same as you fellow cowntryman "trolling" like you did before (see your first post). This is sorta UHM, let me say.

Aside that, the "Italy vs the world" sounds cheesily nationalistic, eh. Oh, and please post in English, so people can understand.

No, people can't, for several reasons you know.

In short: please stop trolling italian people because of your antipathy against Gemant (caused by...). Seems reasonable, isn't it?

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:17 am

I DON'T like where this thread is going. Sorry guys

Neverland · Post by **Neverland** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:14 pm

any news guys?

Edge · Post by **Edge** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:05 pm

So team shmups.com likes to take this challenge as a friendly competition between our two sites.

But we'd also like to discuss the rules with you in fields we'd like to change. So first of all: We'd like the game selection rule to be different. I think the current "team Italy chooses 2 games and team shmups.com chooses 2 games"-rule is not so good. Because, first of all team Italy as an advantage since they can already practise their games in secret. Also this way every team just pickes the games that most players are already very experienced at and these games won't probably cover all different forms of shmups. Not to mention there is also the possibility that both teams choose the same game...

Here is another idea for the game selection rule:
Each week one game is randomly picked by a theme. For example if Week #1 is a Cave week, we'd play ONE of these games by random:
Dodonpachi, Prgogear, DonPachi, Dangun Feveron, ESP Ra.De.

Week #2 could be a Raizing week, than we might choose of:
Batrider, Dimahoo, Battle Garegga, Mahou Daisakusen, Battle Bakraid

Week #3, Psikyo:
Gunbird 2, Dragon Blaze, Strikers 1945, Samurai Aces, Space Bomber

Week #4, Takumi/Seibu Kaihatsu (Together in a group because there aren't enough games in Mame of each company):
Giga Wing, Mars Matrix, Raiden, Viper Phase 1, Raiden Fighters 2(properly emulated?)

Week #5 Classic horizontal shmups:
Gradius, R-Type, Blazing Star, Thunderforce AC, Sexy Parodius

Or as an alternative Week #5, pre 1985 shmup classics:

Star Force, Exerion, Xevious, Vulgus, Galaga

Each week the scores of all team members are accumulated, the team with the highest total score wins the game. The team which wins 3 or more games wins the competition.

The games are picked by random each week, that we can't practise the games in advance. To get the games randomly chosen might be a bit difficult to do on the net. But we could archieve that like this:

For example, team shmups does a list of the first 5 games and gives every game a number: i.e. 1-DP, 2-Dangun Feveron, 3-Prgogear, 4-ESP Ra.De, .5-DDP, we'll upload this list in a secret place or post it in a hidden forum. Now team Italy post a random number from 1-5. Maybe 3... We give them the link to the already posted list, in this case the game would have been Progear.

So what do you think of these ideas? If you are against it, please tell us why you think so. That we, together, can create rules which are appealing to both sides.

Belmont · Post by **Belmont** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:20 pm

a week isnt much time to get familiar enough with a game to get a decent high score in my opinion....but if you make it last longer then the compitition will drag on for months

Post by **Icarus** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:49 pm

We've had weekly competitions before.

Edge · Post by **Edge** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:56 pm

Well I think a week is enough, you don't need to break the world records during this competition. We could make the time frame per game longer, but it would result in a competition which would have to last for months. So one week per game is pretty good choice, i think at least.

Anyway, the prior system "Team Italy chooses 2 games, team shmups.com chooses 2 games" was thought to last 1 month, i.e. 4 weeks. Which comes down to 4 games in 4 weeks, unless you had plenty of time to practise the games before the competition even started.

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:01 pm

Why not just have someone who's not taking part in the contest receive 3 votes from the players on both teams. See, each player could vote for the three shmups they'd like to play the most, so there'd be 12 total votes. If all twelve votes are for different games, then the person who received the votes will randomly choose 1 game from the list each week, for four weeks. If a game or two gets more than one votes, then whichever game gets the most votes will be the first game to be played, whichever game got the second most votes will be the second game played, and so on.

The rules for voting and whatnot would be quite simple. First, get someone who's not taking part in this contest at all... someone all involved would agree is trustworthy enough to not pull some stupid stunt. The four people playing would send PMs that consist of the three game names, and nothing more (no pleading, no bribing, no threats). Once all the votes are in, a new thread could be made by the person taking the votes, and they'd declare the first of the four games to be played. The players each send their scores to the same person that took their game votes, and at the end of the week, scores are posted in that thread, and the second game is announced. This goes until the contest is over.

This keeps everything private until the end, and it makes it so no one can practice until a game's announced (assuming practice runs are allowed).

NTSC-J · Post by **NTSC-J** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:21 am

I like Edge's idea best, let's keep it random.

BR1 · Post by **BR1** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:16 pm

Edge wrote:So team shmups.com likes to take this challenge as a friendly competition between our two sites.

Team Italy doesn't represent any site: it joins players from different italian boards.

Rastan78 · Post by **Rastan78** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:54 pm

Looks like I'll be sitting this one out. I'm busy with Ibara right now along with a lot of other things. Have fun and good luck to the shmups team!

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:09 pm

Quick answer: I keep seeing Gemant who keeps saying lies (since he may still have my final burn replays). Since you're proven to be insane more than once (30+ and still trolling on usenet, or the said replays, or the various shows of utter stupidity), i'm not surprised. Aside this:

As for the tournament: i am currently busy with my thesis and time is running up. I will be free from roughly end of August, perhaps, so i may lack time to actually play (and no, videogames come after work, honestly). Can someone post a time-table? It would help in matters of organization.

Other important issue: is wolfmame "heavy"? I lack a fast PC, others may have the same problem. Please keep this in mind.[/u]

Gemant · Post by **Gemant** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:43 pm

Randorama wrote:Quick answer: I keep seeing Gemant who keeps saying lies (since he may still have my final burn replays). Since you're proven to be insane more than once (30+ and still trolling on usenet, or the said replays, or the various shows of utter stupidity), i'm not surprised.

I am a lier and i'm insane?

Who is Randorama? Randorama has been considered for years the best shmup italian player. He was an example to follow. Everybody admired him. But one day, talking with other people, some divergences came out. So we discovered that Randorama's record were totally false. And many things he used to tell were only lies.

Some examples:
Guwange 40.000.000
aliens 1.500.000
U.S. Navy 3.100.000 (world record)
Esperade 30.000.000 +
sonic wings 2-3 2 loops all clear
ghost pilots 1 coin all

and more... more... more...

Less than a year ago i succeded to collect all the written proofs and i made a document of 5 pages, where i listed all fables Mr. Randorama told to the italian communities, included all dialogues with japanese champions. In front of the written proofs, at dates, at icq logs and anything else, there were no doubts.
Randorama is an impostor that has fun playing with people's trust. Most of the things he says on persons he knows and his records are only lies.

After the moment i've released the proofs, Randorama is considered from all italian communities as an element that has to be avoided and not to be considered at all.

Plasmo · Post by **Plasmo** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:04 pm

hey guys that doesnt really belong in here. use PMs

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:14 pm

This argument will be theatrical

_Bnu · Post by **_Bnu** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:16 pm

OMFG Twiddle, you little pissface!

I'll buy DoDonPachi for $6.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:16 pm

This argument will be theatrical

you mean, if it doesn't get locked.

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:35 pm

Twiddle wrote:This argument will be theatrical

It already is.
I'm in your thread, doing the happy dance.

<(^_^<) \(^_^)/ (>^_^)> <(^_^<) \(^_^)/ (>^_^)>

Anyway, GEMANT, have you considered our suggestion for game selection yet? We don't consider it fair that while our side is busy trying to get the team together, your side has had a few extra days worth of playing practice. We'd like to come to some kind of agreement to balance this out, because as it stands, you guys have an advantage over us.

Gemant · Post by **Gemant** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:45 pm

Icarus wrote:
Anyway, GEMANT, have you considered our suggestion for game selection yet? We don't consider it fair that while our side is busy trying to get the team together, your side has had a few extra days worth of playing practice. We'd like to come to some kind of agreement to balance this out, because as it stands, you guys have an advantage over us.

yes, tomorrow me or Neverland write here about this contest, and new rules.

new poll for select all games is accept.

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:48 pm

Gemant wrote:yes, tomorrow me or Neverland write here about this contest, and new rules.

new poll for select all games is accept.

Alright, excellent. Thanks. ^_^

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:06 pm

Why not Gradius V? someone lamented before that horzies are overlooked. Besides, there are 100 millions PS2 in the world, and Gradius V was localized in all markets. I find hard to believe that a shooter fan did pass the chance to grab it these years.

Of course it's ruled out if mame is a mandatory criteria.

Neverland · Post by **Neverland** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:16 pm

dont worry icarus
we understand your reaseons ^__^

tomorrow i will write a method SURE for select a random 4 games and start the tournament

we have problems with our members team... only this
in any case our intetion to start a tournament 10 august

Neverland · Post by **Neverland** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:33 pm

how many players have in your team?

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:43 pm

Neverland wrote:how many players have in your team?

We should have ten. We just need to wait on a couple more confirmations before we select our final team.

Smraedis · Post by **Smraedis** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:20 am

Neverland wrote:how many players have in your team?

Well that thread is showing the current status of the team -> http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=10107

Do you expect us all to have done everything already?

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:16 am

Smraedis wrote:Do you expect us all to have done everything already?

TEAM SHMUPS.COM
Organisation? What's that?

Would make a good recruitment poster. ^_-

Edge · Post by **Edge** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:47 am

Gemant wrote:- SCORE -

the first the score takes 100 points and the others the directly proportional to it. For example:

first position (1.000.000 pts) = 100pts, second position (500.000 pts) = 50pts.

Team scores

Hmmm, this is a good solution to compare the scores of different games. But I personally think there is one weakspot in this concept:

In this concept the difference between the best player to the rest may be essential for the entire competition. Say Team A has three players which really score awesome in this one game. They get: 40'000'000, 35'000'000 and 30'000'000, now the best player of team B had only 10'000'000. All other scores on both teams are around 5-8 million. In this example team A would get 100 pts + 87,5 + pts 75 pts + the rest which are around 12-18pts for each player. Team B which isn't that good in this game gets 25pts and the rest maybe around the same value.

In this case team B might lose even the entire competition. Even if they score better in all/most following games. Because they can't catch up with their massive score loss on this one game.

That's the reason I'd like to suggest the following system:

We play the first game: All 10 scores of team Italy are accumulated and the same goes for team shmups.com. Which team has the higher total amount wins this game and gets 1 point. If we go with 5 games, then we can't get a draw. Whichever team wins 3 or more games wins the competition. The good thing is all games are worth equal, plus the scores comparison is much simpler.

Game Selection

Well I am assuming if we pick random games that we use themes.
I.e. week #1 we'll play a Cave game: then we have a pool of 5 Cave titles where one of these will be picked by random.

To decide which games are in the pool we could let each side vote for 3 games. Then all different votes will put into a pool where the game will be selected by random. If one game gets two votes it will only put once on the list.

So for example:
Team Italy votes for DDP, Progear and Ketsui and team shmups.com votes for Dangun Feveron, Donpachi and DDP. Then the Cave pool would look like this.

-Dodonpachi
-Progear
-Ketsui
-Dangun Feveron
-Donpachi

Now one game had to be picked by random, i suggested a method for random selection above. But maybe you guys have a better idea to choose a game out of a pool by random.

Themes for each Week

These would be the themes I'd like to suggest for 5 weeks:

Week #1 Cave game
Week #2 Psikyo game
Week #3 Classic horizontal shmup
Week #4 Raizing game
Week #5 (Seibu Kaihatsu, Takumi, Toaplan...) game

Possible Time schedule

Since we haven't decided for a team yet. And we are still discussing the rules. I am asking if we might delay the starting date a few days. Let's say to start this competition at Monday the 14th August 0.00 am (GMT)

In this case the time schedule would look like this:

Game 1: 14th August - 20th August
Game 2: 21th August - 27th August
Game 3: 28th August - 3rd September
Game 4: 4th September - 10th September
Game 5: 11th September - 17th September

So what are your opinions about these suggestions?

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:28 am

WOLF106 emulator don't support win98 (whole OS sometimes crashes). Better is use earlier WOLF version.

Neverland · Post by **Neverland** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:43 am

ok

propose this new rules

1°)GAME
any team make a list with 10 games and make one ZIP file with password for access in to file(is a joke make it )

in this list put 8 shooting ONLY EMULATED BY WOLFMAME 1.06
amd make a number for game

your team send to my email a file and i send to one your member (propose DEL) our file with our list with our password

any team choice a 2 numbers random from 1 to 8

tomorrow in this post we write a password for open a list and write respective list and we rescue a 4 games nomitations
i will make a package with all 4 game sorted witch wolfmame 106
for game and i link in a new thread with a classifies

2°) RULES
a) only game emulated in wolfmame is accepted
b) for all entire mounth (10 ago - 10 sep) any player can game with all 4 games
c) in this time any player can send only a snap, or write only the obtained score BUT ONLY WITH REGLUAR INP this score is validate when tournament end
d) inp for any final score WILL NECESSARY SHOW ENTER 10 SEP otherwise will not be valid
e)Settings: all default settings (level 4 for neo geo games), Japan version, autofire allowed
f)for this tournament not accepted a pics from PCB...only EMU

For score i propose a system similar to MOTOGP

Basing on the position joined the player will gain points that will be summed with the rest of the group. Wins the TEAM that accumulates more points at the end of the tournament
POINTS 1° - 10° PLAYERS
25-20-16-13-11-10-9-8-7-6

actualy our team have 10 players but is not confirmed
i hope to confirm a real numebr to late today

(my english is shit please not blast me....eheheh )

what of thoughts?

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