Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu [Cave 2008]

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:08 am

Most of Ikeda's games feature a safe spot of some sort. Not necessarily on the last boss, although one form of the TLB in Mushihime-sama Futari has one.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:00 am

gamingjustin wrote:I've only seen a few videos of this game, but from all the talk here this latest Dodonpachi doesn't seem very flexible. Sure, you can play it however you want but there's always that glaring "best way" lingering in the back of your mind.

Same could be said about all earlier Pachis, though. And the hyper mechanics in DOJ and DFK did introduce some flexibility DP and DDP never had (there it always was just "chain shit and don't die").

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:51 am

Sure, you can play it however you want but there's always that glaring "best way" lingering in the back of your mind.

You should play them more... each episodes has given more flexibility while keeping competitive scores. Sometimes there is a best way, but finding it is the bitch. There are plenty of patterns that aren't discovered until well after the game has died down. Case in point: DOJ Black Label.

gamingjustin · Post by **gamingjustin** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:37 pm

Heh heh. Yeah I should play 'em. I've actually only played the first dodonpachi for about 20 minutes in MAME so that's probably why I'm way off base here.

If the daioujou port wasn't so overpriced for PS2 I'd snatch it up and get into the Cave groove. Hasn't happened yet, though, with my little experience.

NTSC-J · Post by **NTSC-J** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:18 pm

50 bucks for a stellar port is overpriced?

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:49 pm

gamingjustin wrote: If the daioujou port wasn't so overpriced for PS2 I'd snatch it up and get into the Cave groove. Hasn't happened yet, though, with my little experience.

hahaha.

ontopic.. im a little underwhelmed by DDP5 to be honest, ive only tried it a few times to test the PCB but, yeah.. it doesnt feel very dodonpachi-esq at all.
still a good and solid game and i think i will really like the bullet cancelling given a little time.. its just.. it didnt blow my socks off the way DOJ did when it first came out, my first run was 500mil and ended at the 3rd boss which is a lukewarm welcoming for any cave-masochist.

and for all you cardboard lovers out there... mmmmmm niiiice

hermosaguy · Post by **hermosaguy** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:18 pm

Some people decorate posters over cabinets, Sven on the other hand....

sven666 wrote:
gamingjustin wrote: If the daioujou port wasn't so overpriced for PS2 I'd snatch it up and get into the Cave groove. Hasn't happened yet, though, with my little experience.
hahaha.

ontopic.. im a little underwhelmed by DDP5 to be honest, ive only tried it a few times to test the PCB but, yeah.. it doesnt feel very dodonpachi-esq at all.
still a good and solid game and i think i will really like the bullet cancelling given a little time.. its just.. it didnt blow my socks off the way DOJ did when it first came out, my first run was 500mil and ended at the 3rd boss which is a lukewarm welcoming for any cave-masochist.

and for all you cardboard lovers out there... mmmmmm niiiice

drboom · Post by **drboom** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:41 pm

sven, that's just sick. Wow.

Veracity · Post by **Veracity** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:04 pm

NTSC-J wrote:50 bucks for a stellar port is overpriced?

I don't entirely get that, either, but I guess it's relative to what you feel a video game can reasonably be worth before getting excessive. By way of context, you can get most localized PS2 shooters for around ten bucks, often new. There seems to be a (IMO) slightly annoying prevailing sentiment that arcade-derived games are only allowed to release at budget price - it certainly hurt Senko no Ronde's review reception, and I've seen similar complaints levelled at Shikigami no Shiro III ("how dare they charge full price for five stages?" etc). Maybe XBLA/VC prices condition people's opinion of these games' value, but they could as well be a result of the existing market conditions. Full price release makes more sense to me on the basis that, if you want a limited demand product, you should tolerate a reasonable price to make it even vaguely viable for publishers. The other aspect I think people seem to overlook with the handful of games for which the used market demand stays fairly stable is that, if you don't like it or get bored with it, you should be able to recoup most of what you spent with little trouble.

320x240 wrote:The leverage Cave get on these forums are incredible. Fanboys...

Attention, maybe, but then they're insanely prolific, which would account for a lot of that, especially combined with the fact what other developers remain don't seem to be doing much. I don't know about "leverage" so much as varying perspectives on what's wrong and how unforgivable it is. They certainly received enough abuse over their shoddy port jobs on Mushihime-sama and Ibara. Can't believe I'm the only reader to whom Cave releases are of no more than passing academic interest, though - sure, it's nice to know someone's keeping the genre chugging along, but without home arcade hardware or the inclination to get any, it's just yet another game it's reasonable to assume I'll never see.

Ruldra · Post by **Ruldra** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:18 am

From Cave-STG:

EOJ wrote:Changes in ver 1.5, according to Mikado staff, who already have their PCB:

-The new ship is the green helicopter.
-The score's upper limits have been increased (apparently 2 more digits were added)
-The bomb stock has been reduced. Even if you pick up a bomb item with zero lives left, it does not fill your bomb stock to maximum.
-A new "autobomb" feature, like in Mushi's Arrange mode, has been added as a way to appeal to beginners. It's part of the bomb type ship now.

There's some more interesting info posted there.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:27 am

EOJ wrote:-The new ship is the green helicopter.

All is forgiven. <3

Aru-san · Post by **Aru-san** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:39 am

Ruldra wrote:From Cave-STG:

EOJ wrote:Changes in ver 1.5, according to Mikado staff, who already have their PCB:

-The new ship is the green helicopter.
-The score's upper limits have been increased (apparently 2 more digits were added)
-The bomb stock has been reduced. Even if you pick up a bomb item with zero lives left, it does not fill your bomb stock to maximum.
-A new "autobomb" feature, like in Mushi's Arrange mode, has been added as a way to appeal to beginners. It's part of the bomb type ship now.
There's some more interesting info posted there.

The return of the old type B (the one whose shot tends to swivel in the direction the player is moving)?

overkill55 · Post by **overkill55** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:06 am

Aru-san wrote:
Ruldra wrote:From Cave-STG:

EOJ wrote:Changes in ver 1.5, according to Mikado staff, who already have their PCB:

-The new ship is the green helicopter.
-The score's upper limits have been increased (apparently 2 more digits were added)
-The bomb stock has been reduced. Even if you pick up a bomb item with zero lives left, it does not fill your bomb stock to maximum.
-A new "autobomb" feature, like in Mushi's Arrange mode, has been added as a way to appeal to beginners. It's part of the bomb type ship now.
There's some more interesting info posted there.
The return of the old type B (the one whose shot tends to swivel in the direction the player is moving)?

Yep

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:36 am

Ruldra wrote:From Cave-STG:

EOJ wrote:Changes in ver 1.5, according to Mikado staff, who already have their PCB:

-The new ship is the green helicopter.
-The score's upper limits have been increased (apparently 2 more digits were added)
-The bomb stock has been reduced. Even if you pick up a bomb item with zero lives left, it does not fill your bomb stock to maximum.
-A new "autobomb" feature, like in Mushi's Arrange mode, has been added as a way to appeal to beginners. It's part of the bomb type ship now.
There's some more interesting info posted there.

This has just gone from very good game to omg great game, probably

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:09 pm

-The score's upper limits have been increased (apparently 2 more digits were added)

LOL, so you still can get old counter stop score on stage 5?

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:15 pm

You can get much more by that time:

EOJ wrote:The scoring has increased by 2x-3x. So the same pattern in ver 1.0 that net you 120mil will net you 350mil or so.

In other words, over 500 bil by the end of loop 1 won't be something particularly surprising. I wonder if two digits will be enough, lol.

Ruldra · Post by **Ruldra** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:53 pm

moozooh wrote:I wonder if two digits will be enough, lol.

With two extra digits the cap is now 9 trillion points (or rather, 10 trillion minus 10 points). Counterstopping this time will be tough.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:07 pm

Well yeah, but considering higher chain values AND higher hyper replenishing time for power style, optimal 2-5 will net way more than a trillion, easily!

RuffNEC · Post by **RuffNEC** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:34 pm

when is the X360 port planned?

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:43 pm

After DOJ Black Label and Ketsui do well (by shmup standards), Espgaluda II Mushi Futari Pink Sweets Death Smiles and Muchi Muchi Pork come out, and DonPachi 6 comes out.

Top industry analysts expect this to happen in time for Christmas.

Post by **undamned** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:52 pm

Udderdude wrote:
EOJ wrote:-The new ship is the green helicopter.
All is forgiven. <3

Pretty much.
-ud

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:25 pm

-The new ship is the green helicopter.

I was going to quote on this- but apparantly I'm not the only one.

Truth be told- I *may* have played DOJ less due to the fact that the heli was not in it.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:46 pm

CStarFlare wrote:After DOJ Black Label and Ketsui do well (by shmup standards), Espgaluda II Mushi Futari Pink Sweets Death Smiles and Muchi Muchi Pork come out, and DonPachi 6 comes out.

Top industry analysts expect this to happen in time for Christmas.

Christmas 2000-and-never.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:45 am

what are the odds on 5pb going bust within a year of release?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:00 am

jpj wrote:what are the odds on 5pb going bust within a year of release?

One of the following is true:

1: 5pb know that they're going for a very small print run/release aimed at "Maniac Gamers", as they're all on the 360. My son knows the user base in Japan is miniscule.

2: 5pb are smoking peyote.

I still don't see how this can make money, but weirder things have happened.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:59 am

Oh, come on. We know money from Microsoft is involved. Like 5 ppl own a X360 in Japan, but they already made their $$$.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:22 pm

i'm not so sure - they rejected the game for xbla (which they would have got 50% of the sales). i just think 5pb weren't expecting a rejection, and had been working with the hardware, so their hands were tied. and are japanese gamers that interested in new ports of 6-year-old arcade games they could be playing on a cab for 100 yen a credit...?

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:13 pm

moozooh wrote:Someone has no-missed Hibachi.

Torrent here.

Two bombs, two hypers. You'll be amazed by how cheap the fight is most of the time; there are but two significant chokepoints dodged through magnificiently, the rest was bombed, hypered, or evaded through safe spots (yes, spots — more than one).

I wonder if Cave has considered this in 1.5!

[EDIT]
YouTube version.

that's like the opposite of what I want to see when I watch a replay ^^ Super cheap, super terrible.

Aru-san · Post by **Aru-san** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:00 pm

jpj wrote:i'm not so sure - they rejected the game for xbla (which they would have got 50% of the sales). i just think 5pb weren't expecting a rejection, and had been working with the hardware, so their hands were tied. and are japanese gamers that interested in new ports of 6-year-old arcade games they could be playing on a cab for 100 yen a credit...?

I can see the opposite happening in America.

"Are American gamers that interested in arcade games they could be playing at home for free/a one time pay of 20 to 40 bucks?"

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:02 pm

http://b-board.rdy.jp/torrent/details.p ... 15a02d1c88

Version 1.0 2-ALL by "Suzuna" (?).

This is a pure survival run, without any kind of showing off (except 2-1 secret midboss, that one was hilarious). Final score is 4.39 bil (yeah, less than what the counterstop dude had by the boss of 1-3) The player doesn't use hypers until like 1-5, and bombs actively to break off chains (?) and kill bosses faster. I guess the purpose was to avoid aggravating the rank. And let's say he has succeeded in that.