PS4 / Xbox One console war

[Ed Oscuro]

GameStop is explicitly mentioned as having signed on to the Xbox One, so I'm going to guess that's a yes.

They just make 10% off the resale now.

[shmuppyLove]

I have read a few articles that have mentioned something about "trading-in" games back to Microsoft as well, possibly for MS points?

[Friendly]

Microsoft aims for 1 billion lifetime Xbox One sales



I guess they really have gone mad...

Does that cloud they keep mentioning smell like a certain herb?

[xgunnBlaze]

Microsoft aims for 1 billion lifetime Xbox One sales



I guess they really have gone mad...

Does that cloud they keep mentioning smell like a certain herb?

I don't think they really mean that. They also said the same thing with the Xbox 360. It's probably more of a way to try to get people hyped.

[Ed Oscuro]

Nothing gets me hyped like hearing about hypothetical people who might share my predilection for buying totally shit game systems on day one (and then again every other day of the year, how else are we going to hit that target?)! I can't wait games to play with these people (if they actually exist)!

[Friendly]

And it's region locked.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/mic ... ion-locks/

I suppose in combination with the forced daily online checks, this could mean that importing is really impossible, even with and imported Xbone from another region.


"I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you play this".

[ZellSF]

Importing impossible because of a IP lock? Say that to non-US Netflix subscribers. Hint: IP region locking isn't hard to get past.

[Udderdude]

This is assuming the thing even launches in Japan, all signs so far point to "No".

[dcharlieJP]

This is assuming the thing even launches in Japan, all signs so far point to "No".

all the signs point to No ... except the official announcement that they are launching in Japan (covered in Famitsu last week too)

I'm surprised as well - i expected them to roll Japan into "Asia" and just sod it and give everyone English language games, but apparently they are going to have one more roll of the dice.

[xbl0x180]

I never log on-line using the shitbox three-shitty, so this piece of shit console is totally useless to me

[Cuilan]

And it's region locked.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/mic ... ion-locks/

There's no confirmation of that in that article. It's just an assumption based on a short and vague reply from MS.

What I took from that was that it might either be the same as the 360 is now, or be completely locked. There's no way to know for sure until MS actually says something clear and specific (which they seem to have a lot of trouble doing lately).

I'm surprised as well - i expected them to roll Japan into "Asia" and just sod it and give everyone English language games, but apparently they are going to have one more roll of the dice.

At this point, it sounds like releasing it in Japan would be a waste of time and money. Unless MS is planning on trying 3x harder than they did last time.

[Pretas]

So Microsoft Japan is really going to go ahead with it? I'll be very surprised if they don't completely drop JP support less than two years after release.

[Ed Oscuro]

Microsoft's Xbox revamp: Is the sun setting on game consoles?
Brian Stewart: Super-costly F-35s, a global wrecking ball

Not a "US versus the world" story, but you can find some parallels.

Skateboards = cellphones?

Anyway, clearly the answer is within Kelly Johnson's 14 (+1) rules of management. (I think for game consoles, the +1 rule is "Starve before you try to sell the people something they have already told you they don't want.")

[E. Randy Dupre]

And it's region locked.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/mic ... ion-locks/

I suppose in combination with the forced daily online checks, this could mean that importing is really impossible, even with and imported Xbone from another region.

Like there are going to be any imports worth playing on this thing...

[Friendly]

And it's region locked.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/mic ... ion-locks/

I suppose in combination with the forced daily online checks, this could mean that importing is really impossible, even with and imported Xbone from another region.

Like there are going to be any imports worth playing on this thing...

I really really hope there won't be any must-play JP Xbone exclusives. But given how indie-friendly Sony has become lately, I see no reason why one-man operations like Qute and Triangle service would not go with PS4. G-Rev seems to have turned towards Sony, too.

[dcharlieJP]

The worst thing that could happen now is MS have bought up exclusivity to just about every game in existance. I sure hope that "$1 billion bet" isn't the net spend on money stetsons.

[Friendly]

http://www.destructoid.com/gamers-make- ... 4624.phtml

[Skykid]

http://www.destructoid.com/gamers-make- ... 4624.phtml

Friendly, you're bordering on vomit levels of Sony love.

Please stop.

[Friendly]

Please stop yourself. Are you simple? This is about a twitter campaign to keep Sony from going the way of the Microsoft.
If gamers don't speak up now, it'll be too late
And it looks like the folks at Sony are listening, as is shown by the reply.

Really, what is wrong with you?

[Friendly]

For those of us who have a twitter account and comprehend the importance of this, please consider tweeting the following:
@yosp @jpkoller @luckylongworth @rohdescott #PS4noDRM #PS4regionFree #PS4usedGames

Maybe add a personal message, too.

This is how it's been going so far:

[Udderdude]

Can't blame them for trying to take advantage of Microsoft's blunders.

[dave4shmups]

So evidently Microsoft are banning negative comments about the Xbox One on their Youtube channel. This is bad. I can understand why they don't want to show more gameplay footage before E3, but they NEED to clarify exactly what's going on with regards to playing used games on the Xbox One, and whether or not it has to be online for games to work. Hopefully in the next two weeks, they'll learn some communication skills.

And yes, Microsoft are going to sell the Xbox One in Japan: http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft- ... ne-6408864

[Skykid]

Please stop yourself. Are you simple?

Possibly. But the fanboyism is overpowering my ability to cognitively consider the limitations of my mental capacity. Please stop before I cut my ear off. This sunflower is tantalising.

[Ruldra]

For those of us who have a twitter account and comprehend the importance of this, please consider tweeting the following: #PS4noDRM

[Skykid]

^ ha ha ha, that's masterful.

[UnscathedFlyingObject]

phuck, me wants Dr Mario on PS4.

[Udderdude]

From everything we've seen so far, it's likely their E3 showing is going to be the usual brogamer staples of Halo, EA Sports titles and Gears of War.

[system11]

So evidently Microsoft are banning negative comments about the Xbox One on their Youtube channel.

Always happens when a company totally loses the confidence of its customers and can't admit it.

[TransatlanticFoe]

I was actually kind of disappointed the Wii-U doesn't seem to use the Wiimote. I really liked the "hands-open" controller feel when playing traditional games like Galaxy with it (as opposed to both hands gripping a solid controller), and it's great for anything that naturally uses a pointing device for gameplay. I think it still has untapped potential for FPS controls, for instance, though the implementation wasn't always perfect. It got a bad rap because it was shoehorned into so many games in a dumb way, but used in moderation it's a very neat addition that actually addresses some nagging limitations of previous console controllers in certain styles of games.

Best thing about the Wii by miles. It requires a lot of messing with settings to get the feel right but the Wii remote is amazing for FPS and similar (like Resi 4) - so much more fun than keyboard and mouse or gamepad. I imagine most negative experiences have been from playing on a horrible default - as a PC gamer I'm somewhat used to faffing around with sensitivities to get things just right. Most games with truly dreadful tacked on motion controls (like the hilariously unplayable with them Sky Crawlers) at least support the Gamecube controller, otherwise it's the annoyance of the odd "shake to do this". Most negative experiences of the Wii seem to boil down to "lol last gen graphics" and the sheer weight of shovelware.

I think the Black Ops 2 supports Wii-style Wii remote controls, probably out of Treyarch doing such a great job with the Wii ports. Other than that, it's a little weird - the cost of the tablet controller means multiplayer games are built to use them for the other players but the focus on the "innovation" of the tablet means they're being otherwise ignored.

Did Move get much support with FPS and the like? I read Bioshock Infinite supports it but the Wikipedia list is underwhelming. I have yet to work out what Kinect brings to gaming other than dancing like a bellend and ruining Star Wars in the process.

It's simple how used games work, I read an article about it the other day.

MS is saying that the aforementioned report is "inaccurate and incomplete" and insisting that "Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games", but says more details will have to wait until later.

EDIT: This article claims sources which have said that you won't need to pay a fee to play used games, but that the consoles will perform "regular" authentication checks on them; as the writer notes, though, it sounds like MS themselves haven't quite reached an official conclusion on this matter yet.

So nothing has been confirmed about the supposed perodic checks and it's all "a source says", which gets repeated all over the internet (and this thread) like it's fact. Without the periodic check, it's like PC gaming only you can sell your games/buy used ones. Whilst I agree with the sentiment that periodic authentication is horrendous and kills any "revisit in 10 years" potential for the system, it's not actually been confirmed and nor is it necessary to achieve what MS want to achieve. So perhaps we can lay off the doom-mongering and "lol PS4 wins" until we know for sure (and that Sony don't do the same thing if the worst happens)?

[Friendly]

So nothing has been confirmed about the supposed perodic checks and it's all "a source says", which gets repeated all over the internet (and this thread) like it's fact.

A source:

Speaking to us at the big event in Redmond today, Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison clarified a couple of details about the system's used game policy and explained that there will be a solution for people who want to trade games with their friends.

Here's how the system works: when you buy an Xbox One game, you'll get a unique code that you enter when you install that game. You'll have to connect to the Internet in order to authorize that code, and the code can only be used once. Once you use it, that game will then be linked to your Xbox Live account. "It sits on your harddrive and you have permission to play that game as long as you’d like," Harrison said.

Kotaku: If I’m playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?

Harrison: I believe it’s 24 hours.

Kotaku: I’d have to connect online once every day.

Harrison: Correct.

"lol PS4 wins"
(unless Sony does the same bullshit)