Official: Mushihime-sama Futari (1.0, 1.5, BLT)

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:09 am

I guess the way I see it:

Galuda 2's scores of 900+ mil are fantastic. Getting 300 mil by even halfway through the game is a feat. Just doesn't seem that way. Then again, Futari's scoring system is way less complex. Not saying it's bad. I enjoy it, just seems far more forgiving.

The other comparison is that the milking on Galuda 2 seems far more prominent. Just about all bosses are milked to some level, and the very painful level 3 midboss milking, etc.

Hey, that's racist.

I thought only redneck Americans in the middle of nowhere got their racial slurs backwards.

ArrogantBastard · Post by **ArrogantBastard** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:26 am

Arznei wrote:It'd be nice if half of these downloads didn't require you to temporarily log in via some gookanese site.

Nice. You bitch at me for being 'racist' for saying that you have downs, and here you are using some slur. Way to go.

You still have downs.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:38 am

GaijinPunch wrote:I guess the way I see it:

Galuda 2's scores of 900+ mil are fantastic. Getting 300 mil by even halfway through the game is a feat. Just doesn't seem that way. Then again, Futari's scoring system is way less complex. Not saying it's bad. I enjoy it, just seems far more forgiving.

The other comparison is that the milking on Galuda 2 seems far more prominent. Just about all bosses are milked to some level, and the very painful level 3 midboss milking, etc.

Well I agree with you on all points there.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:58 pm

I feel the mods coming through here w/ the IP ban stick.

Monk 0 Nuggets · Post by **Monk 0 Nuggets** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:43 pm

I haven't read through this whole thread, but do you think this is going to get a home port or no? It seems like no cave home ports are coming for a long time if ever, but maybe I'm wrong.

Shalashaska · Post by **Shalashaska** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:26 pm

All indications point to no but you can keep your fingers crossed like many of us are (just don't hold your breath

) that someday, somebody will port it.

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:38 pm

TWE wrote:And the first game, while I still love it, is plagued by having one or two points in each stage (usually the midboss) that really determine your entire score for the stage. For example, if you don't jack up the counter on the 5th stage midboss correctly by slamming the buttons in the right tempo, you score drops by like 100-200mil points.

Plagued? They're two different games, two different systems... I wouldn't use the word "plagued" to describe the nature of a thing. I totally love the apprach of the first game, where you can sometimes relax yourself after some heart-breaking action

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:41 am

LUNardei wrote: Plagued? They're two different games, two different systems...

Yes, plagued. Any game where if you fuck up the button presses and/or die in ONE point in the stage it affects your score by HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of points is plagued by something. At least with Futari if you mess up a part in Maniac you can get back on your feet within the same level and not have such a huge negative impact on your score. This is the same case in Ikaruga as well.

I still love the game as I said, but I have to be honest about this.

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:54 am

TWE wrote:At least with Futari if you mess up a part in Maniac you can get back on your feet within the same level and not have such a huge negative impact on your score.

Boring, I could say

Seriously: I understand your point of view, but I just can't understand the use of that word. I mean, it's meant to be like that! Anyway, it's a matter of personal preferences, as usual

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:00 am

LUNardei wrote:Seriously: I understand your point of view, but I just can't understand the use of that word. I mean, it's meant to be like that! Anyway, it's a matter of personal preferences, as usual

I am probably not using the word "plagued" with such a strong negative meaning as you might think.

And I might add that Mushi can be all the more exciting due to this "plague". I mean, when you get the chain going and skyrocket the counter in a level, it's an unbelievable rush which I'm sure you know quite well.

For the record, I think DDPDOJ is far more "plagued" than Mushi in regards to having your score get screwed if you die or break the chain.

BTW, try out Mushi Futari 1.5's Maniac mode some time when you get the chance. It's far from boring! A really fast-paced game that gives me the same rush Mushi does.

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:26 pm

TWE wrote: I am probably not using the word "plagued" with such a strong negative meaning as you might think.

Uhm yes, I think that was the issue, so no worries at all.
Anyway, I'll sure try Maniac 1.5 when possible. I was wrong once with the Original system, so I hope to become interested in this one as well!

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:06 pm

To lose hundreds of millions of points you need to be in the top tier, no? I wouldn't say it's completely broken. Annoying at times, yes, but hey, I can't think of a scoring system worth playing that doesn't make me want to break my controller at least once.

Now, a question on the game. In Maniac, does the meter depend on how high it is in the red, or just that it's in the red? IE, if it's just a couple of pixels of red, will I get the same amount of gems if it's almost maxed?

Wang_MacTavish · Post by **Wang_MacTavish** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:42 am

No new TLB vids makes me sad

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:09 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
Now, a question on the game. In Maniac, does the meter depend on how high it is in the red, or just that it's in the red? IE, if it's just a couple of pixels of red, will I get the same amount of gems if it's almost maxed?

It only matters if the meter is red, it doesn't matter how red. There is a trick though, that involves proximity! There is a very short time window (1 second or less, by my observations) where every gem you come in contact with will glow green, and it's worth about double the normal amount. So, the best way to jack up the gems is to kill stuff with the A shot when the meter is red, then try and move in the middle of the gem cloud as you suck them in to ensure you get as many green-aura gems as possible.

A good place to practice is on the last two big icicles before the Stage 2 midboss. If you do it right you should be able to start the first icicle with 1 gem on your counter (after using up the rest of your multiplier on the previous icicle), and end with 9999 gems on your counter after you destroy the second icicle. Very tricky! I usually get about 9500 if I do it well, though I have gotten 9999 a few times. If I mess up it's around 6500~8000.

There is also a trick (or glitch?) on the third and fourth midbosses. Kill these with the A shot when the meter is red and you get the multiplier to kick in on the bullets on the screen (which shouldn't happen, as you should only have the multiplier kick in when the chaining meter is empty), however the 'suicide gems' the bosses burst out when they die are NOT blue aura gems but rather normal large gems which INCREASE your multiplier. It's a great way to cash in the multiplier for some points while keeping your multiplier counter from getting too low.

The guy in the 653mil Maniac mode vid shows how this is done.

BTW did anyone check the Futari Ultra mode score in the new Arcadia? I read on 2CH that it was supposedly a 3.8 bil ALL clear score. But I don't trust much of what I read on 2CH anymore, so hopefully someone can confirm or deny this.

NTSC-J · Post by **NTSC-J** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:09 am

TWE wrote:BTW did anyone check the Futari Ultra mode score in the new Arcadia? I read on 2CH that it was supposedly a 3.8 bil ALL clear score. But I don't trust much of what I read on 2CH anymore, so hopefully someone can confirm or deny this.

Yea, more bullshit from 2ch. I took a look at the new Arcadia this afternoon and jotted down the scores:

Original: 491,954,754
Maniac: 917,083,496 by Clover-TAC
Ultra: 1,899,434,002 (not an ALL)

These were just the Reco scores, btw. I didn't note the Palm scores, but they were all significantly lower.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:11 am

Holy crap, 917 mil in Maniac mode!?!

I can't wait for the superplay vid.

Thanks for the scores. I'd bet no one has cleared Ultra yet.
Are you sure that Ultra mode score was with Reco and not Abnormal Palm??

NTSC-J · Post by **NTSC-J** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:28 am

That's Clover-TAC for you.

I'm pretty sure that Ultra score was with Reco. They had the top scores for both characters in each mode and it was in the Reco row.

There's a new video up on the usual torrent site of ultra mode stage 5 with AbPalm. Nothing outstanding, but worth a download.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:46 am

NTSC-J wrote:That's Clover-TAC for you.

Yeah, that mother fucker is unbelievable. So calm when he plays to. Just kind of becomes one w/ the cab.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:19 pm

TWE wrote:Holy crap, 917 mil in Maniac mode!?! I can't wait for the superplay vid.

Earlier in the thread, someone posted a score breakdown by another player who was theorizing that he could nail about 950 million on an AC in Maniac... and given that, he was confident about breaking 1 billion.

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:13 pm

Interesting true last boss news here:

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Tachiken/20070228

Wang_MacTavish · Post by **Wang_MacTavish** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:17 pm

zlk wrote:Interesting true last boss news here:

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Tachiken/20070228

Sorry for the noobish-ness, but translation?

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:39 pm

I've understood only a few bits. Something like the boss will not appear if you have used more than one credit and the usual stuff about the barrier when you die/bomb, correct me if I'm wrong!

Wang_MacTavish · Post by **Wang_MacTavish** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:34 pm

LUNardei wrote:I've understood only a few bits. Something like the boss will not appear if you have used more than one credit and the usual stuff about the barrier when you die/bomb, correct me if I'm wrong!

Yeah, I did a Babelfish translation and got some of that too, I wasn't sure if any descriptions of attacks were given as well. Hmm.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:14 pm

Kiken wrote: Earlier in the thread, someone posted a score breakdown by another player who was theorizing that he could nail about 950 million on an AC in Maniac... and given that, he was confident about breaking 1 billion.

Yeah, I was the one who posted that.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:22 pm

Wang_MacTavish wrote:
zlk wrote:Interesting true last boss news here:

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Tachiken/20070228
Sorry for the noobish-ness, but translation?

Here's the basics:

You can get to the TLB regardless of the lives remaining and the extend settings on the PCB, you just cannot continue. If you die on the TLB, you can continue as much as you like until you defeat it. Doing this will still enable the credits to roll at the end. You cannot bomb the TLB, if you bomb or die on the TLB a green barrier forms around the boss for a number of seconds, and it protects it from all damage (like the first game). The bullet hell it spews is unbelievable.

Now here's the big surprise. If you beat the TLB "Larsa 2", there is a THIRD boss that pops up. This has been confirmed. You can only see the third last boss (the TRULY TLB) if you beat the TLB on one credit. The music is different during this "TLB #2" fight. Again, it does not matter what the extend setting is on the PCB, you just have to do everything on one credit to see the TLB #2. Apparently this boss makes the TLB just before it seem like small potatoes.

That's freaking insane.

Two TLBs. This is really going to be the hardest Cave game to 1CC.

Cers · Post by **Cers** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:25 pm

A second TLB ??!!

The fight will look like this............or harder

Wang_MacTavish · Post by **Wang_MacTavish** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:25 pm

TWE wrote:Absurd ridiculousness

I can't comprehend what this is going to look like, I'm not sure if my whitey North American brain will be able to take it.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:39 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
NTSC-J wrote:That's Clover-TAC for you.
Yeah, that mother fucker is unbelievable. So calm when he plays to. Just kind of becomes one w/ the cab.

have you met him...?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:05 pm

jpj wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:
NTSC-J wrote:That's Clover-TAC for you.
Yeah, that mother fucker is unbelievable. So calm when he plays to. Just kind of becomes one w/ the cab.
have you met him...?

Yes. Gets interesting about halfway through.

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:03 am

Cers wrote:

A second TLB ??!!

The fight will look like this............or harder

No no no you mean like that.

Of course the cab unfolds into widescreen! That's what second TLBs do!