Official: Mushihime-sama Futari (1.0, 1.5, BLT)

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:24 pm

TWE wrote:WOW. I stand corrected.

Now how much do you want to be that person wasn't a Cave employee?

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:24 pm

Right, that's why I said I stand corrected.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:22 am

Right, that's why I said I stand corrected.

Sucks being right all the time.

I see you changed your name... sort of.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:52 am

GaijinPunch wrote: Sucks being right all the time.

Well, I'm not the only one to have been led astray by 2ch:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 4&start=16

I see you changed your name... sort of.

yeah, I just asked them to capitalize it because it's an acronymn, and not a shortened form of a word.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:42 am

Yeah, I remember that. The only difference was that was quite a few people kind of putting their heads together based on one flyer at AMI's website, and one announcement at Cave (w/ no pictures), and not one person claiming to be Ikeda.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:53 am

Well whatever. In both your case and mine the ultimate lesson is you shouldn't trust what people post on 2Ch.

In other news, I think I found a way for us mere 'mortals' to have a realistic chance to fight against the TLB: set the PCB's difficulty to "easy" and Ultra extends to every 80mil (that's the most generous extend option available for Ultra). It'll still take a lot of practice and hard work, but unless there's a port with a practice mode that lets you take on the TLB, this will be the best chance many of us will have to face this boss.

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:11 pm

TWE wrote:many of us will have to face this boss.

Yes, but on easy. It's better to watch a video at that point!
Anyway, the fifth boss was enough. TLB? Good thing to watch, not to play, unfortunately. I'm looking forward to try this Ultra mode sooner or later, but this thing suggest me to keep on playing the first lovely ULTRA

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:51 am

LUNardei wrote:
TWE wrote:many of us will have to face this boss.
Yes, but on easy. It's better to watch a video at that point!

I've tried out the different difficulty settings on the PCB and I honestly couldn't feel much of a difference between Normal (setting 2) and Easy (setting 1). So it would be best just to play on Normal with the extends set at every 80mil.

In any case, fighting the TLB, even on easy, would of course be more fun than watching a vid of someone else playing.

NTSC-J · Post by **NTSC-J** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:52 am

After a bit of a lull, some more Futari plays popped up today.

The fellow at the mushioujou blog put up a slick 19m+ stg 1 run in Original mode with Palm. I've uploaded it at megaupload so those not in the area can have a look.

Also, some new skilled Ultra footage at the game movie uploader torrent site.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:20 pm

Finally, a full Maniac mode vid:

http://d1227.hp.infoseek.co.jp/zakki.html

It's by a Japanese gamer named Black Soup. He gets 653mil on this run with Normal Reco. Scoring detail at the end of each stage is:

1: 44mil
2: 246mil
3: 369mil
4: 479mil
5: 653mil

I'm downloading right now, but it's pretty slow. I'm really interested to see his techniques on stages 3-5, that's way more points than I know how to get.

ArrogantBastard · Post by **ArrogantBastard** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:38 pm

So how do I download? I don't read japanese and clicked on the first link when I go to his site, but I can't seem to get other site to let me download. I'm thinking there's some security key that you have to enter to download, similar to Megaupload.com.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:56 pm

The password is "mushi2", then it will prompt you to download and install some ActiveX software, then it should let you download the file in the software's download box. If you can't get it to work, I (or someone else) could upload it to a megaupload type place later today.

gionmatsuli · Post by **gionmatsuli** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:48 pm

Thanks for the vid TWE, just want to see if he use the 42millions scoring spot like me on stage3 before the mid-boss and where does he score after that.
I don't know where to score in stage 3 just after the mid-boss.
Want to see stage4 either.

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:16 am

A new video here, but I have no idea what the password is (as usual with this site).

http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~koena-oi/

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:22 am

prompt you to download and install some ActiveX software

That's why I could never download anything from Filebank. ActiveX on firefox Linux... no love.

zlk wrote:A new video here, but I have no idea what the password is (as usual with this site).

http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~koena-oi/

"Password is the name of an animal in the Jaleco action game where you throw bombs".

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:47 am

PW is buta from the great game butasan. Thanks GP!

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:49 am

Just watched the 653mil run, and it's really great. One death in Stage 4, and one on the last boss. But lots and lots of great scoring strats throughout.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:19 am

zlk wrote:PW is buta from the great game butasan. Thanks GP!

Teamwork!

I've watched the first 3 stages. Thus far, he's using pretty standard patterns... only a couple of parts different than what you see in the arcades. I guess that's one thing that I'm not liking about the game. The difference in score between moderate play and risky play is marginal at best. By the first of the 2nd boss, he's got got 130 million. Trying the same patterns but fucking up (not getting the big gems, etc.) and you can easily have 105 or 110 mil.

Seems that what will seperate the men from the mice is scoring on stage 4 (seems harder than 5 for scoring) and the 2nd boss, which most poeple have perfected. Even I'm getting there, and I rarely play. 3 modes is cool, but I'd rather see a scoring system that can be stretched a bit further, like the kakusei system.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:46 am

GaijinPunch wrote: I've watched the first 3 stages. Thus far, he's using pretty standard patterns... only a couple of parts different than what you see in the arcades. I guess that's one thing that I'm not liking about the game. The difference in score between moderate play and risky play is marginal at best. By the first of the 2nd boss, he's got got 130 million. Trying the same patterns but fucking up (not getting the big gems, etc.) and you can easily have 105 or 110 mil.

Well his Stage 2 is pretty poor actually. That's the only bad part about his run. And fucking up the gem count in a stage can really kill your score by the way, a few screw ups on gem collection and/or triggering the multiplier in the wrong spot can cost you tens of millions of points in a stage.

Seems that what will seperate the men from the mice is scoring on stage 4 (seems harder than 5 for scoring) and the 2nd boss, which most poeple have perfected. Even I'm getting there, and I rarely play. 3 modes is cool, but I'd rather see a scoring system that can be stretched a bit further, like the kakusei system.

Well not really, besides the Stage 2 boss milking, there are big points on Stages 3, 4 and especially 5 (over 300mil on this stage alone, if you're good). Stage 4 is definitely the trickiest to score on, just like in the first Mushi. Anyway, a good player and an excellent player will be separated by hundreds of millions of points, just like in Galuda 2.

Seems you can stretch the scoring in Maniac about the same as the scoring in Galuda 2. From what I've heard the top Maniac scores are approaching 900mil now, for example. That's about 250 mi more than we see on this vid.

gionmatsuli · Post by **gionmatsuli** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:08 am

New vid with ab-Reko on the link you gave twe:
http://d1227.hp.infoseek.co.jp/zakki.html

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:00 pm

TWE wrote:Well not really, besides the Stage 2 boss milking, there are big points on Stages 3, 4 and especially 5

Yeah, but scoring on stage 3 is pretty cake. 4 is hard. 5... well, you gotta get there, but most poeple I've seen there can score pretty well w/o that much effort. Nothing like the first game.

Seems you can stretch the scoring in Maniac about the same as the scoring in Galuda 2.

That's my point... you can't stretch it as far. I've seen a few people clear maniac w/ 600 mil in arcades. This isn't even Hey, btw. By this time when Galuda 2 was out, 600 mil was fantastic (maybe even the top score). The way bigger clear bonus definitely helped stretch scores, but still. I've spent well under 100 credits on this and got almost 300 mil on a bad run (stage 4). Terrible in Galuda 2 on stage 4 is around a 3rd of that.

NTSC-J · Post by **NTSC-J** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:02 pm

gionmatsuli wrote:New vid with ab-Reko on the link you gave twe:
http://d1227.hp.infoseek.co.jp/zakki.html

haha I love how he cuts the last few moments of the boss fight out. Gee, wonder if he makes it through...

Still, he does a decent job considering he's using Ab-Reco. What a shitty, shitty ship type. She's too fast when using your option assist bugs but if you use the normal shot to slow down you don't do a bit of damage. Even with the options she does piddly damage; a few big enemies and the third mid-boss leave out of boredom in that replay. It doesn't help that your options are often finnicky about what they lock onto. Unless you line them up correctly, they'll just chill on the sides rather than hunting out enemies. It's always fun when you're at a boss and only one or two of your little dudes is fighting with you while the others just enjoy the show. I understand that since they can provide constant fire you can dodge and lead patterns in ways you can't with the other types, but they're so weak that you end up having to weave through shit you wouldn't even see with Normal Reco.

I'd love to see someone get through Ultra with her though.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:05 pm

NTSC-J wrote:
gionmatsuli wrote:New vid with ab-Reko on the link you gave twe:
http://d1227.hp.infoseek.co.jp/zakki.html

haha I love how he cuts the last few moments of the boss fight out. Gee, wonder if he makes it through...[/quote

In the title, he says it's not a clear.

NTSC-J · Post by **NTSC-J** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:10 pm

I know, I was joking.

It's just kind of funny he cut out the last few seconds of the run because he came so close but failed.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:08 am

I'll have to disagree with you on a couple points, GJP.

GaijinPunch wrote: Yeah, but scoring on stage 3 is pretty cake.

I don't think it's cake. Well "scoring" isn't hard, just like it isn't hard in Espgaluda. But it's pretty damn hard to score really well and to get a really good score on Stage 3 (I'm talking about 130-150mil on the stage). You have to time your shots just right and weave through a lot of random bullet hell. Getting 75 mil or so mil isn't very hard, but it also isn't very good for this game.

4 is hard. 5... well, you gotta get there, but most poeple I've seen there can score pretty well w/o that much effort. Nothing like the first game.

Well, again, what do you mean by "score"? Getting 75-100 mil in stage 5 is again, not too hard. But 200-300mil? Good luck on that!

And the first game, while I still love it, is plagued by having one or two points in each stage (usually the midboss) that really determine your entire score for the stage. For example, if you don't jack up the counter on the 5th stage midboss correctly by slamming the buttons in the right tempo, you score drops by like 100-200mil points.

That's my point... you can't stretch it as far. I've seen a few people clear maniac w/ 600 mil in arcades. This isn't even Hey, btw. By this time when Galuda 2 was out, 600 mil was fantastic (maybe even the top score).

Yeah, I see what you're saying here. But I think we're dealing with different scoring scales. In terms of scoring this game reminds me a lot of Espgaluda actually, more so than Galuda 2. People get around 45mil in Galuda left and right but the top scores in the 65-72mil range have been done by relatively few people.

I just 1CC'd maniac mode in Futari with Reco with 400mil the other day, and it took a good deal of work for me to get that score with the Clear. I know I'm no Japanese shmup ninja, but jumping from 400 to 600mil will take a lot of time and effort, and reaching the 900+ mil scores that are said to be possible in this game will be a distant dream at best.

The way bigger clear bonus definitely helped stretch scores, but still.

Indeed, if you finish with no extra lives in Mushi futari your extra bonus is only 1-2 mil tops.

I've spent well under 100 credits on this and got almost 300 mil on a bad run (stage 4). Terrible in Galuda 2 on stage 4 is around a 3rd of that.

Well 300mil up to the end of stage 5 is not bad in Mushi Futari, I'd say it's just above average. I'm not sure what your definition of 'terrible in Stage 4' in Galuda 2 is either but in any case you're using an inaccurate scale for comparison. Stage 4 in Futari is 4/5 stages, while Stage 4 in Galuda 2 is 4/6.

Shalashaska · Post by **Shalashaska** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:27 am

TWE wrote:If you can't get it to work, I (or someone else) could upload it to a megaupload type place later today.

Pretty please?

Arznei · Post by **Arznei** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:31 am

It'd be nice if half of these downloads didn't require you to temporarily log in via some gookanese site.

eretsua · Post by **eretsua** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:35 am

Shalashaska wrote:
TWE wrote:If you can't get it to work, I (or someone else) could upload it to a megaupload type place later today.
Pretty please?

another pretty please... the file bank is a bit too confusing for me.

Shalashaska · Post by **Shalashaska** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:38 am

Arznei wrote:It'd be nice if half of these downloads didn't require you to temporarily log in via some gookanese site.

Sigh....is it seriously that difficult to use a little tact?

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:47 am

Arznei wrote:some gookanese site.

Hey, that's racist. Unlike insulting people with Down's, which is just borderline racist!

Anyway guys, I'll try and upload the vid somewhere.