The WORST Shooter you have ever played...

[Psikyo_Ball]

First: i really dislike cave games (i think ibara arranged or dangun feveron are playable), but DDP and mushimesama (not futari) are worst. I play some shmups, but i think this games are worst, at the same level than Afega or korean raidens hacks. They have nice graphics but ddp and mushi are sadly games. I prefer play master of weapon or same same same.
I dont think this games are solid, this liar hitbox and this score system are broken. So i think ppl play this games because they have beauty graphics.
I must say "sorry" if my words sound agressive. But my english is a little short and is hard to explain what im trying to say.
ptoing:

You know that you get more points doing longer chains and maxing out bombs in DDP

This is the point. You know "here is do score" but you never know how many score you get there. Sometimes you get 4.123.110 and sometimes you get 4.043.120 for example. Pends on your luck in this spot. This is the cause i think the scoring system are broken

Progear is worst case scenario, because it is sideview. In all the other games you can figure out pretty fast where your hitbox is. It is pretty much always somewhere in the upper center of your ship, or the torso in cases of games where you are humanoid. And it's not like this is much different in the Psikyo games.

On dragon blaze, the hitbox is the head of your characther. For some reason the bullets kill you easily. On mushi and ddp the bullets sometimes kill you and sometimes dont. I test it personally. My friend say "the real problem isnt the hitbox on the ship, is the hitbox on the bullet". I really i dont know about it. But i see the results

On the other hand, I find the scoring in most Psikyo games pretty boring and basic (and retarded in the case of Gunbird with the coins)

If you are talking about 1945 series, you are right. On sengoku blade/ace you most funny strategy is kill the big enemies fast, if you do it more enemies appear and you get more score. How do you do it? with proximity. Try it, dodging fast big bullets when you are near the enemy. On gunbird series you must do "power down" if you want more score + money chains + diamond bags + milking bosses. On dragon blaze in some spots you must kill all very fast, on others spots you must wait for line up, on some spots you must keep alive a big enemy for get a big accumulation of enemy to kill with a single dragon atacck. In others spots you must put your dragon on the left corner, you go to de right corner and call it using the dragon shot in it way (sonia technique). ON the others spots you must do a dragon atack and go fast to "get back" your dragon for do a fast second dragon atack. on zero gunner you must make strategies for get all of the enrgy items, sometimes you must do a fast turn back with precision and must use the proximity too. I thik the scoring systems of this game arent basic. But i cant change your mind.

[ptoing]

Well, the "liar" hitbox as you call it is more or less necessary to make the hilarious bullet amounts possible to begin with. If you had the same bullet amount with bigger hitboxes on the player and/or the bullets (the bullets just have 1 pixel of collision in Cave games) the games would pretty much impossible to play.

As far as scoring goes I give you that Cave scoring is "softer" than Psikyo scoring. Mainly because Cave games (and a LOT of other shmups as well) have chip damage. Meaning that you get points for shooting an enemy, not only for destroying it. This can result in slightly different scores depending on which shots you use. In DDP DOJ for example you get no chip damage when you laser enemies I think. Calling the scoring broken because of that is a bit silly. The kind of difference you are talking about would only weigh in if you would be going for a WR. And even if not, if you would record your plays and then watch them afterwards you would see where you fucked up your chain or whatnot and then see why you got less points. Of course there is some luck involved. Getting a bomb faster in DDP will give you a tiny bit more score from the MAX bonus, but then you can try to get it as soon as possible and whatnot. But these tiny increments hardly are a big deal when the scores are in excess of 100s of millions among better players. I find the whole "pick up a coin when it is flashing for max score" a lot more stupid, but I dunno much about the scoring in Gunbird 2 and how much those coins contribute to the overall score of a run.

I am not calling Psikyo games bad, even tho I do not like most of them, I respect them for what they are. Saying Cave stuff is on the level of Korean Raiden hacks is a bit over the top tho, even if you do not like them at all.

[Erppo]

The kind of difference you are talking about would only weigh in if you would be going for a WR.

Hardly. The current DOJBL record is crazy good but still contains some minor flaws that count for far more than some ridiculously tiny chip damage optimization.

Also claiming some of the best players chose to play Cave games just because they have cool graphics is just so extremely stupid I'm not even seeing the need to respond.

[ptoing]

Also claiming some of the best players chose to play Cave games just because they have cool graphics is just so extremely stupid I'm not even seeing the need to respond.

Good point actually, haha.

[Gus]

Also claiming some of the best players chose to play Cave games just because they have cool graphics is just so extremely stupid I'm not even seeing the need to respond.

I think he was trolling on that point. Or at least I hope.

[Chaos Phoenixma]

I find the whole "pick up a coin when it is flashing for max score" a lot more stupid, but I dunno much about the scoring in Gunbird 2 and how much those coins contribute to the overall score of a run.

It's not just that either. There's also a chaining bonus for doing it a lot as well that gets reset if you pick up one without it and maybe if you miss a coin entirely. I'm not sure how many frames it is to keep a chain. Plus, I think you can get 2,000 + Chain or 2,000 with a chain break too in addition to other stuff as well. And I'm usually a fan of item chaining, but I would take DDP chaining over that as that particular Psikyo scoring system is pretty lame and stupid. And it's not just Gunbird 2, but several of their other games and series that have it.

[RNGmaster]

One chain break sets you back at least 7500 points from perfect, since you get 1000 instead of 4000 for breaking the chain, then only 2000, 2500, 3000, and 4000 as you build the chain back up. One slip can cost you a pretty huge percentage of your stage score, and you can only avoid slipping up on the later stages by following an exacting path. In a way, scoring well in Psikyo games is even more exacting and anal than in CAVE titles.

[Zeron]

You would think that this thread would be full of shit games like Divine Sealing, but what I see is Psikyo,CAVE,Raizing,Takumi etc seriously...

[Captain]

Ever heard of Red Killer?
EDIT:Wait, i can do worse!

2 words
GRIND STORMER.

[ChainsawGuitarSP]

You would think that this thread would be full of shit games like Divine Sealing, but what I see is Psikyo,CAVE,Raizing,Takumi etc seriously...

And why would you expect otherwise? after all, this forum is made up of adult babies.

[Zeron]

2 words
GRIND STORMER.

You suck

[Captain]

No I don't.
I even played through it just fine.
The thread name is The WORST Shooter you have ever played..
after all.

[dunpeal2064]

No I don't.
I even played through it just fine.
The thread name is The WORST Shooter you have ever played..
after all.

I'm guessing Genesis port? Its not great, but if thats the worst you've played, you need to play more shmups.

[Captain]

Hmm, yes, the genesis port.

I never knew there was a better one, could you tell me what port that is?

PS:I pick the shmups that i play

[dunpeal2064]

Well, the gnesis has the only port, but like many genesis ports, its quite different from the PCB

I've played many genesis shooters worse than grind stormer, but if its the worst you've played, then its the worst you've played.

[Kollision]

What's so bad about Genesis Grind Stormer?
You standards must be very, very high, I suppose.

[Ruldra]

Isn't GradiusuiraD like 13yr? I don't think he knows too many shmups.

Go play Divine Sealing. Report back what you think of it.

[Captain]

I could possibly search through my memory for an hour or two,remembering the worst moments in gaming that I've had, and writing them down, then finally deciding on the absolute worst.

But look at me, I'm too lazy!

PS:I have already played Devine Sealing,although I'm not a big fan of hentai.
Because of its system,which as I see is supposed to make the player play the game only too see the hentai, I wouldn't even classify it as a shmup.

Hence,It is not on the bottom of my list, simply because it's not on it at all.

PPS:I do not have high standards, but for some reason, Grind Stormer was always the worst game for me, perhaps it was the music, or should i say noise?

[dunpeal2064]

What's so bad about Genesis Grind Stormer?
You standards must be very, very high, I suppose.

Compared to the PCB, some flicker and slowdown. Still pretty damn good in my opinion. Its no MUSHA ro Gaiares, but its solid fun.

But yeah, when I was 13 I might have said some silly shit like that too.

How do you not put a game like Divine Sealing on your list at all, and then call Grind Stormer the worst you have played. If you have played worse games, then those should be the ones you mention.

This isn't "the worst games that you still find pretty good, but not as good as other games" thread.

There are other genesis shmups that I enjoy, that are worse than Grind Stormer. I think Phelios is fun enough, but definitely not as good. Sol Deace is also enjoyable at times, but still nowhere near as good as anything Toaplan on the system.

Plus, with the Genesis Grind Stormer, you get 2 games! Its not a perfect game, but the weapon selection is nice, and the fact that there is some variable to scoring other than milking and killing sets it apart from other genesis shooters.

I dunno, I was trying to understand where the 13 year old was coming from, but yeah.

[Captain]

Please do not assume that I am 13 simply because i was thinking like one.

But like i said, for some reason, GS always hits me as the worst, it might even be some sort of subliminal decision 0_0

[Rozyrg]

Hmm, yes, the genesis port.

The Genesis version of Grindstormer/V-Five is definitely one of the most poorly...

...manufactured cartridges on the system. Damn you, Tengen, and your nefarious cost-cutting ways! :'(

[Ruldra]

Please do not assume that I am 13 simply because i was thinking like one.

From the other thread:

Simply say when's your birthday, but all all the above user's info too.

12/11/1997

[RNGmaster]

HE'S 14 THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE

[Captain]

LOL I busted myself.

But how does being 13 change the way you perceive a shmup?

[Estebang]

Immaturity, lack of experience?

Not that these things are inherently associated with being 14, but you've done nothing to distance yourself from them. (Fun fact: I was 14 when I first played Ikaruga.)

[Captain]

I am simply too lazy to think about the truly worst game that I've played.
That might be immaturity, but I have plenty of experience.

Also, I don't think I have been here long enough to generally give a clear image of myself.

[drauch]

Also, I don't think I have been here long enough to generally give a clear image of myself.

You're doing a fine job so far.

[Captain]

So far is one thread with a few post from me about a fixed subject that you all apparently disagree with.
EDIT:I just noticed that this is turning into an argument of sorts, so I'm stopping all discussion about this now, I suggest you all do the same.
Or, can someone delete everything after Rozyrg's post?
Thank you all in advance.

[RNGmaster]

Nope, I'd say you've done such a good job of incriminating yourself that it would be a waste to get rid of these posts.

And here's one other way you show immaturity: by bossing people around who are older, wiser, and more deserving of authority. You don't just tell the mods to do what you want and expect that it'll get done.

[Kollision]

c'mon don't be too hard on him
he just hates grind stormer