DoDonPachi Saidaioujou coming to Xbox 360 (REGION-FREE!)

[Udderdude]

So (fucking sigh), about that "worldwide release" then...?

It clearly fell through and is not happening. They couldn't find a publisher. Plus they're running into financial issues (see other threads on this).

Note that they only said they were planning to do a worldwide release, not that it was certian to happen.

[Astraea FGA Mk. I]

I think I finally learned my lesson regarding Cave LEs.
I can think clearly now, it is kind of stupid to pay double the price for a soundtrack I will never listen to and a piece of paper with art on it.

I think I'll go pre-order the standard edition on play-asia now.

[Stevas]

Yeah, I figured, I just wanted to, I dunno, have a moan.

It really has got to the point where it feels like a real chore loving shmups now. Constantly hoping for a region free release, or some seemingly sympathetic publisher to step in. If only I loved generic FPS shite with quite the same depth of feeling.

You can't help who you love.
Or what you laugh at.

/Counts down to someone coming in with "just buy a jap 360"

[pestro87]

And Play Asia has now sold out of the LE edition as well. I'm glad I managed to snag that while they were still accepting pre-orders :S

[CloudyMusic]

/Counts down to someone coming in with "just buy a jap 360"

It's the obvious solution, but yeah, I sympathize. If it were a couple of years ago I'd have bought one in a heartbeat, but with the 360 very close to the end of its lifecycle and relatively few games that I'd need one to be able to play, I'm holding onto my money right now.

I'd really like to be able to buy this game and support Cave, but given that I already have a large stack of shmups that I haven't mastered yet, I'll just keep focusing on those. If there's a RF release, cool, I'll be there day one. If not...we'll get to play the game someday. Once the honeymoon period of the new game hype has passed, the wait will probably be a little less painful

[Friendly]

/Counts down to someone coming in with "just buy a jap 360"

Get a cheap used 360 and install reset glitch hack (RGH). Goodbye region lock.

[Kiken]

So (fucking sigh), about that "worldwide release" then...?

It clearly fell through and is not happening. They couldn't find a publisher. Plus they're running into financial issues (see other threads on this).

Note that they only said they were planning to do a worldwide release, not that it was certian to happen.

Well, it was JP Microsoft who directly asked Cave to port the game in the first place, right? So is it possible that MS might take on the task of publishing/localizing the game outside of Japan?

[Stevas]

Woah, sympathy? This is the internets, right? I am in the right place?

Regarding the whole buying a cheap 360 and this RGH shenanigans:
1. is it easy? Do I need a chip or something? Have we got to the point yet where you can softmod a 360 as easy as you can with the old xbox?
2. I'm guessing I lose access to Live for the leaderboards/replays?

[Friendly]

Regarding the whole buying a cheap 360 and this RGH shenanigans:
1. is it easy?

If you can solder, I guess. I have neither done it myself nor do I own a 360 with RGH. I only read about it.

Do I need a chip or something?

Yes, you need a chip. (Not a mod-chip by the way, so the chip should not be illegal; it's just a certain type of programmable chip that sends a reset pulse to 360's CPU at the right moment).

Have we got to the point yet where you can softmod a 360 as easy as you can with the old xbox?

Doesn't seem likely that will ever happen.

2. I'm guessing I lose access to Live for the leaderboards/replays?

Correct. No network access. Your RGH console will be banned if you access XBL.

One more thing, it doesn't work with the latest hardware revision, afaik (I'm not really up-to-date); only with old fat 360s and the first two slim models (Trinity and Corona).
EDIT: Correction, Google says it works on all models, the latest being Corona V4.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

/Counts down to someone coming in with "just buy a jap 360"

Get a cheap used 360 and install reset glitch hack (RGH). Goodbye region lock.

Yeah that's what I was looking at however getting hold of it (and the extra part it goes with) in the UK is difficult since mod chips are illegal to sell, buy including import off the net.

I've been pinning my hopes on a chip coming out that breaks the lock but won't play copied disks, as there seems to be dealers on the net selling them on older consoles in the UK.

[Friendly]

That won't happen for 360, it's either all or nothing. To remove the region lock, you need kernel access.

As I wrote before, the chip itself can't really be illegal; while there are specific RGH chips that have been optimized for the task, you can also make it work with some sort of generic programmable chip that can be used for lots of applications.

[Udderdude]

So (fucking sigh), about that "worldwide release" then...?

It clearly fell through and is not happening. They couldn't find a publisher. Plus they're running into financial issues (see other threads on this).

Note that they only said they were planning to do a worldwide release, not that it was certian to happen.

Well, it was JP Microsoft who directly asked Cave to port the game in the first place, right? So is it possible that MS might take on the task of publishing/localizing the game outside of Japan?

I wouldn't bet on it.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

It clearly fell through and is not happening. They couldn't find a publisher. Plus they're running into financial issues (see other threads on this).

Note that they only said they were planning to do a worldwide release, not that it was certian to happen.

Well, it was JP Microsoft who directly asked Cave to port the game in the first place, right? So is it possible that MS might take on the task of publishing/localizing the game outside of Japan?

I wouldn't bet on it.

I agree, I can't imagine MS bothering to do anything, while they did help Japanese devs and pubs in the past that was back when they gave a damn about the Jap market. And even in the west MS have been very lazy and complacent about the 360.

@ Friendly, Well I don't know the details of UK law when it comes to mod chips but I doubt the RGH will be exempt when it still allows for piracy, guys like us who just want to break the lock will be in a tiny minority.

(only able to embed 3 quotes? That's new)

[Udderdude]

(only able to embed 3 quotes? That's new)

It was changed so people couldn't make spammy, shitposty quote vortexes anymore.

Mods hate fun ;(

[Friendly]

@ Friendly, Well I don't know the details of UK law when it comes to mod chips but I doubt the RGH will be exempt when it still allows for piracy, guys like us who just want to break the lock will be in a tiny minority.

I don't see what the UK government can do about it. Like I explained, the type of chip you need is not a mod-chip. They can't really outlaw generic programmable chips. That would be like outlawing paper because you could use it to write something illegal. Of course what they can do is make it illegal for shops to professionally install these chips into 360s (maybe it already is), but what you do in the privacy of your own home is up to you.

[Jeneki]

I think I finally learned my lesson regarding Cave LEs.
I can think clearly now, it is kind of stupid to pay double the price for a soundtrack I will never listen to and a piece of paper with art on it.

I think I'll go pre-order the standard edition on play-asia now.

Congratulations. This is why I have zero LEs, other than the ones that were first-print things that didn't cost anything extra.

[Friendly]

I think I finally learned my lesson regarding Cave LEs.
I can think clearly now, it is kind of stupid to pay double the price for a soundtrack I will never listen to and a piece of paper with art on it.

I think I'll go pre-order the standard edition on play-asia now.

Congratulations. This is why I have zero LEs, other than the ones that were first-print things that didn't cost anything extra.

You are a very wise person. Unfortunately when it comes to those LEs, sometimes I am not. Damn you, Cave.
I have to shamefully admit that I managed to pre-order a SLE after all.

[Stevas]

@ Friendly, Well I don't know the details of UK law when it comes to mod chips but I doubt the RGH will be exempt when it still allows for piracy, guys like us who just want to break the lock will be in a tiny minority.

I don't see what the UK government can do about it. Like I explained, the type of chip you need is not a mod-chip. They can't really outlaw generic programmable chips. That would be like outlawing paper because you could use it to write something illegal. Of course what they can do is make it illegal for shops to professionally install these chips into 360s (maybe it already is), but what you do in the privacy of your own home is up to you.

You are talking about a govt that has only recently stopped coming up with bullshit ways to lock the entire internets down (to protect us all from POSSIBLE CHILD PREDATORS) because it turns out that we actually all need way more protection from the banks. Whodathunkit.

Well, I assume they stopped coming up them. Apparently I can only handle one calamity at a time, if our news outlets output is anything to go by.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

I don't see what the UK government can do about it. Like I explained, the type of chip you need is not a mod-chip. They can't really outlaw generic programmable chips. That would be like outlawing paper because you could use it to write something illegal. Of course what they can do is make it illegal for shops to professionally install these chips into 360s (maybe it already is), but what you do in the privacy of your own home is up to you.

They can pull down UK based dealers and customs will pull imports when they come across them. I've also heard pay pall flagging payments for DS flashcards too, although that might be just a scare story.

Until recently my work meant that I had to keep my nose clean, I'll look into possibly sourcing one from somewhere near xmas when customs are busy.

(only able to embed 3 quotes? That's new)

It was changed so people couldn't make spammy, shitposty quote vortexes anymore.

Mods hate fun ;(

Those quote vortexes were fun! I was hoping for a big a "Fuck You MOSS Too" one in the Caladrius thread.

[Friendly]

I don't see what the UK government can do about it. Like I explained, the type of chip you need is not a mod-chip. They can't really outlaw generic programmable chips. That would be like outlawing paper because you could use it to write something illegal. Of course what they can do is make it illegal for shops to professionally install these chips into 360s (maybe it already is), but what you do in the privacy of your own home is up to you.

They can pull down UK based dealers and customs will pull imports when they come across them. I've also heard pay pall flagging payments for DS flashcards too, although that might be just a scare story.

Not the same thing. DS flashcards are designed for exactly one purpose. Not so these chips. Re-read my post.
EDIT: For the heck of it I did a quick search on Google and found several UK-based stores that sell (and install) RGH chips. So much for that.

[DrTrouserPlank]

I'm gonna have to look at this RGH because I have a fat PAL xbox that works perfectly, but it's network adaptor broke, and as it was my only xbox at the time I replaced it with a slim and it's just sitting in it's box doint nothing.

I'd like a hacked machine mainly so I can get Raiden fighters and raiden IV US versions. I don't want to pay £50-60 second-hand for the JP versions. It's not worth it to me.

[DrTrouserPlank]

@ Friendly, Well I don't know the details of UK law when it comes to mod chips but I doubt the RGH will be exempt when it still allows for piracy, guys like us who just want to break the lock will be in a tiny minority.

I don't see what the UK government can do about it. Like I explained, the type of chip you need is not a mod-chip. They can't really outlaw generic programmable chips. That would be like outlawing paper because you could use it to write something illegal. Of course what they can do is make it illegal for shops to professionally install these chips into 360s (maybe it already is), but what you do in the privacy of your own home is up to you.

Professional installation of any sort of chip for the purposes of breaking data protection/encryption is definitely not allowed. It's against the law regardless of what country you are in really because a term of use relating to any sort of product with encryption is to not reverse-engineer or seek to disable that protection. Indeed the license to produce media for a particular format is granted on the agreement that the person creating software will lock it using the available tools. However, as is evidenced, different countries choose to take more or less vigourous stances on the matter. I remember in 2000 I bought a DVD player online in the UK and also paid to have a chip installed by the seller (who was a proper company) to bypass all region locks and all encryptions available at the time, including any copy protection etc. There's no way that would be legal now.

As you say, if it really is a generic chip then it won't be outlawed in the UK, but it does depend how much is modified for it to be able to be used in the manner we are talking about. I'd be surprised if I could really walk into Maplins (a UK electronics shop) and buy one of these chips. I suspect the chip you are talking about is in some way or by addition of other circuitry designed to do one thing and one thing only, and that's seek to disable region locks. If that's the case that particular "unit" would be banned... now of course, if you want to buy the generic IC and build the additional components onto some stripboard to make the desired unit, that would be legal... but maybe too complex depending on what exactly is required.

I kind of preferred it when disabling region protection was as simple as filing off a little bit of plastic on the cartridge slot of the mega-drive to accept different shaped carts.

[O. Van Bruce]

afaik the reset glitch hack works sending a pulse in an exact moment when the console is turning. The chip sends that pulse to the processor. My point is, there is nothing illegal in comercializing a chip that only sends pulses. IN the same way, there is nothing illegal in modifying a DVD reader to read back-ups; in both cases, piracy isn't the main objective, it's

- a) making you able to run backups

- b) making you able to run homebrew.

Anyway, There are people that sells the chip + installation + flashing in my country and they haven't been taken down.

link here if you can understand spanish. http://www.milanuncios.com/xbox-360/ins ... 809592.htm

[bcass]

This reset glitch hack is really great news. It puts to bed once and for all any worries about losing access to downloaded stuff if Microsoft ever turn the Live servers off.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Well I'm not really clued up on what the RGH is exactly but I do get your point. I was thinking along the lines of any chip sold as a mod chip would be automatically banned which I'm not so sure of now, that said there's nothing stopping the gov from specifically putting out legislation against RGH in the future, kinda like they would do to a new recreational drug.

EDIT: For the heck of it I did a quick search on Google and found several UK-based stores that sell (and install) RGH chips. So much for that.

Those UK deallers never have anything in stock...urg wait

EDIT

afaik the reset glitch hack works sending a pulse in an exact moment when the console is turning. The chip sends that pulse to the processor. My point is, there is nothing illegal in comercializing a chip that only sends pulses. IN the same way, there is nothing illegal in modifying a DVD reader to read back-ups; in both cases, piracy isn't the main objective, it's

interesting

[DrTrouserPlank]

afaik the reset glitch hack works sending a pulse in an exact moment when the console is turning. The chip sends that pulse to the processor. My point is, there is nothing illegal in comercializing a chip that only sends pulses. IN the same way, there is nothing illegal in modifying a DVD reader to read back-ups; in both cases, piracy isn't the main objective, it's

- a) making you able to run backups

- b) making you able to run homebrew.

Anyway, There are people that sells the chip + installation + flashing in my country and they haven't been taken down.

link here if you can understand spanish. http://www.milanuncios.com/xbox-360/ins ... 809592.htm

It varies from country to country, but in the UK if you create a chip that "sends pulses" and is not in any sense of the word a "standard" IC by all accounts of versatility and function and seemingly has no other purpose (other than conveniently bypassing region locks) then it is almost by definition a "mod-chip" regardless of the method by which it bypasses the protection.

The UK has strict laws about this sort of thing for many reasons, one being that we make a lot of money from it.

Edit: if anyone actually has a link to the chip itself I'd like to see it. It's either standards IC's in an array along with other basic components (resistors, capacitors etc) or it's a very complex circuit using multiple standard IC's linked to one another to create the desired effect.

With my knowledge of electronics I'm actually finding it very hard to believe that this is in any way an "innocent" chip that has any other use than the region bypass it has obviously gained popularity for.

[Friendly]

You know, sometimes it's a good idea not to keep talking if you have no clue what you are talking about.
Actually, all the time.

[DrTrouserPlank]

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[bcass]

Illegal or not, they're widely, cheaply and easily available/obtainable.

[Matskat]

Been away from the thread for a bit.

What the shit, cave?

You fuckers make it damn hard to be a fan sometimes.

So much for a region free or world release, then, it appears?

Fuck that shit.

Somebody already said it, but here:
Cave: "Fuck gaijin dollars, we'd prefer a bankruptcy then the inevitable re-lauch focusing on Ggee fronted mobile farm sims."