Guwange 360

[clp]

what if you went to mcdonalds and your big mac had only one burger in it? You would complain innit!I DONT EAT MCDONALDS BTW

lol

If you did get that deal at McDonalds but the Big Mac was 20 times cheaper (as say Guwange on 360 is against the PCB*) then you'd probably walk away thinking you had a bargain...

*I dunno how much the Guwange PCB so its a guess

Its free and arcade perfect on mame.

[Wonderbanana]

Its free and arcade perfect on mame.

Technically illegal but yeah you have a point.

[Edwards80]

Its free and arcade perfect on mame.

Technically illegal but yeah you have a point.

I have it and it runs perfectly on my MAME cab. I think you should buy it if you play it via emulation though and encourage them to keep porting/making more. It's worth the 800 points just to have online scoring against your mates etc.

[clp]

Its free and arcade perfect on mame.

Technically illegal but yeah you have a point.

I have it and it runs perfectly on my MAME cab. I think you should buy it if you play it via emulation though and encourage them to keep porting/making more. It's worth the 800 points just to have online scoring against your mates etc.

Encourage them to keep making massive port mistakes? no thanks and we have a score thread here .

[njiska]

It seems there are two distinct views emerging on this port: Those who think it's a shmup and we must support it so they make more and those who say it's a bad port because it's broken. Personally I think both sides are insane.

If you like Guwange and are playing on a 16:9 screen just buy it.
If you like Guwange and are playing on a 4:3 screen download the demo.
If you still enjoy it with the bars, buy it.
If you enjoy it but are frustrated by the bars, buy it and message either Cave or Cave World demanding a patch. Express you dissatisfaction fully.
If you find it unplayable then don't buy it, but message Cave or Cave World and let them know exactly why you are buying it. Again fully express your dissatisfaction and make it clear you intend to buy it if the problem is fixed.
If you just don't like Guwange than don't buy it and don't bitch about it.

Let them know about interest. Let them know what they got wrong.

[bcass]

I hear you, but I have to wonder: Are we professional gamers, or are we professional consumers? Yeah, that's what the forum's for, to bitch about such things, but I'm always confused why so many members seem to go on crusades to destroy a title and belittle anyone who's enjoying it.

Pretty sure that hasn't happened once in this thread yet. If anything, it's the people who are content with it who are belittling the people with concerns.

[Phellan Wolf]

It seems there are two distinct views emerging on this port: Those who think it's a shmup and we must support it so they make more and those who say it's a bad port because it's broken. Personally I think both sides are insane.

If you like Guwange and are playing on a 16:9 screen just buy it.
If you like Guwange and are playing on a 4:3 screen download the demo.
If you still enjoy it with the bars, buy it.
If you enjoy it but are frustrated by the bars, buy it and message either Cave or Cave World demanding a patch. Express you dissatisfaction fully.
If you find it unplayable then don't buy it, but message Cave or Cave World and let them know exactly why you are buying it. Again fully express your dissatisfaction and make it clear you intend to buy it if the problem is fixed.
If you just don't like Guwange than don't buy it and don't bitch about it.

Let them know about interest. Let them know what they got wrong.

I moaned about the port however IMO your post it is the best one of the thread Sometimes whe should be more open minded

[Edwards80]

Encourage them to keep making massive port mistakes? no thanks and we have a score thread here .

Fair points - I still think if you are playing something for free and you then have a reasonable option to legally own it, you should - even if the port isn't perfect. Letting them know what the issues are is also a good idea like njiska said.

[gray117]

If you enjoy it but are frustrated by the bars, buy it and message either Cave or Cave World demanding a patch. Express you dissatisfaction fully.

This is the only one that will work - otherwise there is no motivation to listen and learn, let alone release anything else; they'll just presume the markets too cheap, or non existent.

[chempop]

Anyone know why blue mode seems a tad easier? Made it to stage 6 on my first try, maybe it was just a zen run, others are having an easier time with it too right?

[bcass]

What is their English Facebook username?

[njiska]

If you enjoy it but are frustrated by the bars, buy it and message either Cave or Cave World demanding a patch. Express you dissatisfaction fully.

This is the only one that will work - otherwise there is no motivation to listen and learn, let alone release anything else; they'll just presume the markets too cheap, or non existent.

I beg to differ, just look at NBA Elite. The key is in letting them know why you aren't buying it if you choose not to buy it. Then they know that they're losing potential sales, rather than just not getting sales.

All of the options work depending on what you want to show support for. Blindly buying titles to show support is just stupid if your support isn't genuine. It's being a yes man.

Anyone know why blue mode seems a tad easier? Made it to stage 6 on my first try, maybe it was just a zen run, others are having an easier time with it too right?

I have a theory that it has to do with the flashing purple bullets. While they speed up after they timeout being solid purple I don't think they return to the full speed of blue bullets. They also seem to be cancellable.

[evil_ash_xero]

Too bad nothing fixed RayStorm HD.

[clp]

Encourage them to keep making massive port mistakes? no thanks and we have a score thread here .

Fair points - I still think if you are playing something for free and you then have a reasonable option to legally own it, you should - even if the port isn't perfect. Letting them know what the issues are is also a good idea like njiska said.

Sorry i dont feel any obligation to cave , i buy games i like based on the game im happy to buy ps2 to play Ibara because to me its worth it (yes even that port ) but im not prepared to buy a shoddy port just because its cave wtf?

[Zaarock]

I have a theory that it has to do with the flashing purple bullets. While they speed up after they timeout being solid purple I don't think they return to the full speed of blue bullets. They also seem to be cancellable.

Yeah. If you kill an enemy with the shikigami all blinking bullets will turn into coins no matter where they are. For example on the first pattern of the fourth boss, you can make the whole burst of bullets blink and then kill one of the small enemies on top of the boss.

Some other differences that are pretty easy to notice:

-you do more damage against everything
-shikigami comes out really fast (+ moves faster?), if you use C + A it comes out instantly?
-chain bar doesn't drop as fast meaning you wont be killing yourself that much, and enemies shooting more bullets keeps it up easier anyway.

[emphatic]

What is their English Facebook username?

http://www.facebook.com/#!/CAVECoLtd

[Tyjet]

thanks for that. It looks way worse than I imagined. Is the jap version better?

pm'ed

[gray117]

If you enjoy it but are frustrated by the bars, buy it and message either Cave or Cave World demanding a patch. Express you dissatisfaction fully.

This is the only one that will work - otherwise there is no motivation to listen and learn, let alone release anything else; they'll just presume the markets too cheap, or non existent.

I beg to differ, just look at NBA Elite. The key is in letting them know why you aren't buying it if you choose not to buy it. Then they know that they're losing potential sales, rather than just not getting sales.

All of the options work depending on what you want to show support for. Blindly buying titles to show support is just stupid if your support isn't genuine. It's being a yes man.

NBA Elite the game mechanics were broken/unfinished and behind schedule - it's non-release was due to brand and shareholder protection - the transition of its development is nothing like Guwange... It's potential revenue aims are also significantly different; not isolated to a single release but the maturing of a new service. I don't believe consumers directly stopped this game; we'll see how they react next year [if they get their act in order]...

With Guwange the game mechanics are sound, its an isolated niche budget release for fans, many [all?] of the potential customers have probably played this game before, - we have a single flaw in the screen options. There's quite a distinct possibility cave will be using numbers from Guwange sales to judge their potential markets and regions for attention...

The flaw in the game itself? A fundamental one for many players, to be sure, but probably something a single person could fix, even if it's a little trickier than one may first assume.

What will prompt that possible support or even listening to fans? A potential profit, and constructive feedback from proven and paying customers...

What prompts a fall off in support? - no sales.

[Edwards80]

Sorry i dont feel any obligation to cave , i buy games i like based on the game im happy to buy ps2 to play Ibara because to me its worth it (yes even that port ) but im not prepared to buy a shoddy port just because its cave wtf?

I didn't mention any obligation to cave. My point was that if you are enjoying something for free (illegally) then you should take the opportunity to play it legally if it is reasonable - The port is not perfect but it isn't unplayable/terrible.

[monkeyman]

Ok putting aside the screen border issues a moment can anyone tell me how the different modes work? I've done some looking around and know that blue mode seems to have different enemy bullet behaviour and xbox arrange allows you to control your spirit thingy with a the other stick, but are enemy and boss patterns different on each mode or is it the same thing with different sets of rules?

[clp]

Sorry i dont feel any obligation to cave , i buy games i like based on the game im happy to buy ps2 to play Ibara because to me its worth it (yes even that port ) but im not prepared to buy a shoddy port just because its cave wtf?

I didn't mention any obligation to cave. My point was that if you are enjoying something for free (illegally) then you should take the opportunity to play it legally if it is reasonable - The port is not perfect but it isn't unplayable/terrible.

Yeh but a shoddy port isnt reasonable thats the bottom line . As for emulation its a grey area sure but its not as black and white as you think, explain to me why its illegal .

[bcass]

What is their English Facebook username?

http://www.facebook.com/#!/CAVECoLtd

Cheers. How do you post on their wall? Do you have to send a friends request first?

[emphatic]

What is their English Facebook username?

http://www.facebook.com/#!/CAVECoLtd

Cheers. How do you post on their wall? Do you have to send a friends request first?

Just click the "Like" button, and then click the CAVE+others in the LOG to see all the bitching since Guwange came out.

[njiska]

Sorry i dont feel any obligation to cave , i buy games i like based on the game im happy to buy ps2 to play Ibara because to me its worth it (yes even that port ) but im not prepared to buy a shoddy port just because its cave wtf?

I didn't mention any obligation to cave. My point was that if you are enjoying something for free (illegally) then you should take the opportunity to play it legally if it is reasonable - The port is not perfect but it isn't unplayable/terrible.

Yeh but a shoddy port isnt reasonable thats the bottom line . As for emulation its a grey area sure but its not as black and white as you think, explain to me why its illegal .

Emulation is a gray area. The acquisition of copyrighted game code is a different matter. It's pretty much black in most countries, though it's also in that magical area where the only enforcement comes against distributors, not against users.

[Edwards80]

Yeh but a shoddy port isnt reasonable thats the bottom line . As for emulation its a grey area sure but its not as black and white as you think, explain to me why its illegal .

We really don't need to flog a dead horse by going over this stuff, there are a million and one discussions on it elsewhere.

It is quite black and white. Uploading copyright material is illegal and downloading it is too (it's far easier to prosecute distributors though). Not preaching here though, I have a MAME cab after all - If I can somehow obtain the games I play a lot legally, then I will.

Each to their own at the end of the day, if your opinion of the port makes it unworthy of your cash then that's fine!

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Its a conspricy I say! Cave release a substandard vert which use even less of the screen then other verts. Thus giving all those "waaa this game is crap because it doesnt make full use of my TV" gamers even more ammunition to slag off the traditional vert. Sales of the game dont meet Caves target of 1million sales.

And then tell the world "due to their main market, The US doesnt like verts" they're nolonger making any, instead just making horis with 7 DeathSmiles in 2 years made, plus 1 donpachi rebooted as a hori with no slowdown what so ever, instead it uses autobomb with new bombs rewarded every 10 seconds (like Genetos). Oh and JPN arcades die out forcing Cave to switch from arcade prototying to Iphone protos with all the best $3 horis and arena shooters getting a 100% accurate port to Xbox 720 with the graphics upscalled to 5200p using the original graphics. (and is a kennect only)

Mark my words! the writtings on wall its just that im the only one who can see it!!!!

[Strider77]

who farted in here? this thread stinks.....

[Jockel]

who farted in here? this thread stinks.....

It's the smell of a ghost who was murdered in this exact place 400 years ago...
he died from goo on his wang.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

(incase anyone thought i was been serious with my last post im only joking)

BTW do downloadable games get listed on that Vchartz.com or simlar site? and when will we 1st see it listed?

[Edwards80]

(incase anyone thought i was been serious with my last post im only joking)

BTW do downloadable games get listed on that Vchartz.com or simlar site? and when will we 1st see it listed?

It seems to be the Friday after release most of the time, but I don't think they show downloads. I'm not aware of any sites that track downloads, I'm not sure anywhere tracks them or if MS even release them.

I've seen a few places show their sources taken from the number of entries on the leaderboards for each game, which can't be too accurate!