XRGB-mini Framemeister

[cyborc]

I received my mini today and have it hooked up to my sony 55w900a tv. I've noticed that if the hdmi dynamic range is set to full there's a lot of visual interference, most noticeable on black screens. If I set the dynamic range to limited or auto the interference is no longer visible. Is this normal?

[Floob]

Hey guys,

I got my XRGB mini in today and haven't been able to get it working on any input except Composite video

I've tried S-Video on my N64 and SNES, and the XRGB just says NO_SIGNAL. I know these S-Video cables work fine because I've used them forever on my CRT

The same happens for RGB, though this is the first time I've used RGB cables so I can't say if they are the problem.

Any idea what could be the problem? I'm pretty bummed out

My stupid mistake was not making sure the Source was correct on the mini - I guess you have made sure you are on RGB source when trying it?
I was on HDMI - default!

[Fudoh]

I received my mini today and have it hooked up to my sony 55w900a tv. I've noticed that if the hdmi dynamic range is set to full there's a lot of visual interference, most noticeable on black screens. If I set the dynamic range to limited or auto the interference is no longer visible. Is this normal?

You mean after adjusting the TV's input range as well ? Or just by switching it on the Mini without setting the TV properly ?

[Fudoh]

Its all set up correctly, works fine on my LCD TV. However when I try connecting it to my LCD monitor (Which rotates for tate mode) then I get greenish streaks across the right hand side, I've tried multiple PCB's and the problem is the same.

have you tried forcing the Mini's HDMI output into RGB colorspace ? It's weird that you get different results on your TV compared to your monitor. Could be related to the display's YCbCr decoder.....

[Rongolian]

Hey guys,

I got my XRGB mini in today and haven't been able to get it working on any input except Composite video

I've tried S-Video on my N64 and SNES, and the XRGB just says NO_SIGNAL. I know these S-Video cables work fine because I've used them forever on my CRT

The same happens for RGB, though this is the first time I've used RGB cables so I can't say if they are the problem.

Any idea what could be the problem? I'm pretty bummed out

My stupid mistake was not making sure the Source was correct on the mini - I guess you have made sure you are on RGB source when trying it?
I was on HDMI - default!

Thanks so much! After taking a look at the remote in English, I see there is a section for input that can't be accessed through the normal menu!! Everything works perfect now, very happy with my purchase

[FerociousSwan]

Subject: XRGB-mini Framemeister (now available !)

Its all set up correctly, works fine on my LCD TV. However when I try connecting it to my LCD monitor (Which rotates for tate mode) then I get greenish streaks across the right hand side, I've tried multiple PCB's and the problem is the same.

have you tried forcing the Mini's HDMI output into RGB colorspace ? It's weird that you get different results on your TV compared to your monitor. Could be related to the display's YCbCr decoder.....

Hi, thanks for the response. I have the output selected as RGB from the Mini if that's what you mean? I have tried pretty much any setting I could think of ...
But like you say, strange only on that monitor. Otherwise I'd have thought it was the super gun.
But then the monitor works fine with my Saturn through the Mini.

[Floob]

Hey guys,

I got my XRGB mini in today and haven't been able to get it working on any input except Composite video

I've tried S-Video on my N64 and SNES, and the XRGB just says NO_SIGNAL. I know these S-Video cables work fine because I've used them forever on my CRT

The same happens for RGB, though this is the first time I've used RGB cables so I can't say if they are the problem.

Any idea what could be the problem? I'm pretty bummed out

My stupid mistake was not making sure the Source was correct on the mini - I guess you have made sure you are on RGB source when trying it?
I was on HDMI - default!

Thanks so much! After taking a look at the remote in English, I see there is a section for input that can't be accessed through the normal menu!! Everything works perfect now, very happy with my purchase

I bought one of these overlays:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XRGB-Mini-Fra ... 1052088477

Very quick delivery to the UK, and looks pretty tidy. Really helps, even though I mostly just press 'Menu' now

[Konsolkongen]

Hi, thanks for the response. I have the output selected as RGB from the Mini if that's what you mean? I have tried pretty much any setting I could think of ...
But like you say, strange only on that monitor. Otherwise I'd have thought it was the super gun.
But then the monitor works fine with my Saturn through the Mini.

What arcade games have you tried with? Do they all use similar hardware like the CPS2? It could be that the voltage on the Supergun isn't adjusted properly. Some arcade systems require higher voltages than others.

[FerociousSwan]

Hi, thanks for the response. I have the output selected as RGB from the Mini if that's what you mean? I have tried pretty much any setting I could think of ...
But like you say, strange only on that monitor. Otherwise I'd have thought it was the super gun.
But then the monitor works fine with my Saturn through the Mini.

What arcade games have you tried with? Do they all use similar hardware like the CPS2? It could be that the voltage on the Supergun isn't adjusted properly. Some arcade systems require higher voltages than others.

Just the 2 games I have, Knights Of The Round and Bomberman World.
But the image appears, as does the sound. Just the green ghosting to the left.

[keropi]

kind unrelated, but since I am not required to send it back to get a replacement: here are the insides of the wiki-recommended power adapter (at least the new 3.0A model the seller ships now) :



on the back side there is a burned IC, there is a red arrow pointing at it...

Hmmmm thats a tad worrying, i got the PSU from the amazon site back last year as of yet haven't had any problems with it but then im not using it 24/7 either.

Have noticed both the amazon link and the power-adapters uk link from the wiki are the same company but the adapters look, which one did you receive?

Anyone else had problems with these adapters?

EDIT: just looked an mine is the 3amp version

Just got a tested/working replacement , I hope it lasts longer
I must mention though that the seller's support was excellent, after some questions to verify a dead psu they replaced it without needing to send anything back or trying to avoid it. Nice

[cyborc]

I received my mini today and have it hooked up to my sony 55w900a tv. I've noticed that if the hdmi dynamic range is set to full there's a lot of visual interference, most noticeable on black screens. If I set the dynamic range to limited or auto the interference is no longer visible. Is this normal?

You mean after adjusting the TV's input range as well ? Or just by switching it on the Mini without setting the TV properly ?

Actually I found the noise is visible on limited range as well if the brightness is turned up to high levels. If I put the brightness on 40 on full range rgb mode I cannot see the noise. 50 brightness on limited range and the noise is not visible.

Could you test something for me please? If you have a mega everdrive or snes everdrive, (or pretty much anything with a mostly black screen) turn the brightness on your tv up almost all the way and tell me if you see any kind of flickering or noise in the black areas.

[Konsolkongen]

You need to adjust the A/D level on the XRGB to minimize the noise. You can't get rid of it completely though, which is the biggest fault with the unit IMO.

[BuckoA51]

The XRGB3 did it pretty bad too, I don't know about biggest fault though, if the noise is below video black does it really matter?

[cyborc]

You're right bucko, if the noise cannot be seen normally then it's no problem. I just wanted to make sure my mini wasn't defective or anything

[Konsolkongen]

The XRGB3 did it pretty bad too, I don't know about biggest fault though, if the noise is below video black does it really matter?

Then we're not talking about the same issue There is a lot of visible interference in some colors on the Mini. You can adjust this using the A/D setting, but you'll most likely just move the interference to other colors instead. There's no fixing it completely

[austin532]

You need to adjust the A/D level on the XRGB to minimize the noise. You can't get rid of it completely though, which is the biggest fault with the unit IMO.

Interesting, did not know you could not completely get rid of the noise on the mini. This makes me slightly happy as I know it's not a fault on my end.

[Xranger60]

You need to adjust the A/D level on the XRGB to minimize the noise. You can't get rid of it completely though, which is the biggest fault with the unit IMO.

Interesting, did not know you could not completely get rid of the noise on the mini. This makes me slightly happy as I know it's not a fault on my end.

Hey guys, so, just to be clear, there is always some sort of visual interference/noise going on? I've noticed this on my unit as well. I use RGB cables for both Sega Saturn and PS2, and I've noticed some subtle, but noticeable noise in slightly darkened areas (almost like some lines are "in motion," it's hard to describe. I was actually about to post here to see if there was a defect with mine. It's not too big of a problem and it's mostly non-visible but it's annoying.

[cyborc]

You need to adjust the A/D level on the XRGB to minimize the noise. You can't get rid of it completely though, which is the biggest fault with the unit IMO.

Interesting, did not know you could not completely get rid of the noise on the mini. This makes me slightly happy as I know it's not a fault on my end.

Hey guys, so, just to be clear, there is always some sort of visual interference/noise going on? I've noticed this on my unit as well. I use RGB cables for both Sega Saturn and PS2, and I've noticed some subtle, but noticeable noise in slightly darkened areas (almost like some lines are "in motion," it's hard to describe. I was actually about to post here to see if there was a defect with mine. It's not too big of a problem and it's mostly non-visible but it's annoying.

that's exactly what I'm seeing as well. You did a much better job describing it than I did

[Fudoh]

Regarding any noise: there are basically two sources of noise on the Mini.

One is noise already present on the source signal. Prime candidate for that is the PS2 through component video (and especially with 480p output). The Mini doesn't have a good low pass filter, so it exhibits the noise a lot.

The other is noise introduced by the A/D video conversion. It looks a bit like block noise (on MPEG encodings) and is limited to certain plain colors. Using the A/D conversion slider this can be minimized (or at least moved to another color which the system might not use right now).

[BuckoA51]

The noise I see most on XRGB3 and Mini is always in the very dark grey/near black bits. Is that just my fault for running too many power strips?

[cyborc]

The noise I see most on XRGB3 and Mini is always in the very dark grey/near black bits. Is that just my fault for running too many power strips?

I've noticed that as well.

[dark1x]

I have a new problem that I'm hoping someone might have an idea on...

I decided to do the 50/60 Hz + US/JP switch mod on one of my Megadrive consoles and it worked out. Here's the thing; it won't display in 60 Hz on the XRGB. I first thought I messed up the mod, of course, but it turns out that it works just fine if I run RGB direct into a TV (or use a transcoder to send component video). When I connect to the XRGB, however, the unit never flickers or leaves the blue screen when starting in 60 Hz mode (or switching to 60 from 50). In 50 Hz mode, however, the picture is displayed just fine via the XRGB.

This occurs both when feeding RGB in direct and when using the component video transcoder.

Of course my Genesis consoles work fine with this same setup in 60 Hz but this Megadrive won't have it.

Any suggestions or thoughts?

[BuckoA51]

Try changing the sync mode for starters then playing with sync level.

[Floob]

I have a new problem that I'm hoping someone might have an idea on...

I decided to do the 50/60 Hz + US/JP switch mod on one of my Megadrive consoles and it worked out. Here's the thing; it won't display in 60 Hz on the XRGB. I first thought I messed up the mod, of course, but it turns out that it works just fine if I run RGB direct into a TV (or use a transcoder to send component video). When I connect to the XRGB, however, the unit never flickers or leaves the blue screen when starting in 60 Hz mode (or switching to 60 from 50). In 50 Hz mode, however, the picture is displayed just fine via the XRGB.

This occurs both when feeding RGB in direct and when using the component video transcoder.

Of course my Genesis consoles work fine with this same setup in 60 Hz but this Megadrive won't have it.

Any suggestions or thoughts?

That happened to mine, I used a sync stripper and now its fine.

[Galgomite]

I received my mini today and have it hooked up to my sony 55w900a tv. I've noticed that if the hdmi dynamic range is set to full there's a lot of visual interference, most noticeable on black screens. If I set the dynamic range to limited or auto the interference is no longer visible. Is this normal?

You mean after adjusting the TV's input range as well ? Or just by switching it on the Mini without setting the TV properly ?

Actually I found the noise is visible on limited range as well if the brightness is turned up to high levels. If I put the brightness on 40 on full range rgb mode I cannot see the noise. 50 brightness on limited range and the noise is not visible.

Could you test something for me please? If you have a mega everdrive or snes everdrive, (or pretty much anything with a mostly black screen) turn the brightness on your tv up almost all the way and tell me if you see any kind of flickering or noise in the black areas.

I'm no expert but I own the same stuff (can't test it this second, sorry). It doesn't sound to me like there's anything wrong with your gear. These are analog signals. Noise should be a natural part of that, and yes, I can see a small amount of noise using my mini with my w900a. (My Turbo Duo-R is my greatest offender.) The dynamic range on your TV decides at what point a signal should be interpreted as "black." It will crush any pixels (display them as solid black) that are close enough to black, depending on the setting you choose. Boosting picture brightness will widen the differences between these darker pixels, showing the noise. If there is a setting you can choose that crushes blacks as it should, without causing obvious image problems, you're fine.

[Windfish]

Any recent US owners of the Framemeister? Did you guys buy an adapter or transformer of some kind? Doesn't take in 100v? Isn't that fine in NA?

[FerociousSwan]

I've got a bit of an issue regarding my XRGB-Mini and a newly acquired Supergun.

Its all set up correctly, works fine on my LCD TV. However when I try connecting it to my LCD monitor (Which rotates for tate mode) then I get greenish streaks across the right hand side, I've tried multiple PCB's and the problem is the same.



The left side on that image as an example is perfect.
I've adjusted the synch and it makes no difference, I had to adjust it to get a picture on both screens anyway, anything below 12 and the screen goes.

If it matters, the TV is a Panasonic and the Monitor is a Samsung.

Thanks!!

Anyone have any ideas or settings to try? Thanks.

[Pasky]

Someone already explained a sync stripper (lm1881 or similar) fixed the problem for them.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p1047081

[FerociousSwan]

But this is only with the Supergun on the 1 monitor, If this was the case would it not have the same problem with the PS1, Saturn and SFC?

[Pasky]

Sounds like it doesn't like the encoder inside the super gun.