PS4 / Xbox One console war

[Ed Oscuro]

Xbox and 360 are great...more or less, don't like DLC and all the stuff you gotta download. I mean, if amazing stuff like Otogi 2 and Ninja Gaiden is like PC gaming, then I'm all for PC gaming!

This, well, this thing probably crosses at least three lines with me, maybe more.

[Casey120]

The guy demonstrating the TV functions kept putting his hands in his pockets probably afraid to make it do something he didn't want to .
That's what I hate about this shit, it looks all nice and perfect until you actually use it .

I'm going to wait a while and ride the retro train before putting any money on either new console .

[Ed Oscuro]

Time Tech is catching up, at least: "Xbox LIVE — which still looks pretty much like the version of Xbox LIVE you’re using today — now remembers what you were last doing, what game you were playing, what song you were listening to and so forth, surfacing that information automatically."

BEADWINDOW codes 1, 3, 4, 6, and 7, don't you think?
Roger, out.

[matrigs]

my god i can understand everything, ranting about every function or lack thereof, but why is backwards compatibility mentioned everywhere?

ps4 is NOT backwards compatible as well. the ps3 had backwards compatibility pulled after some time. the xbox360 was barely backwards compatible. the wii was backwards compatible but no one gave a fuck.

but after yesterday backwards compatibility seems to be the most important function in a console EVER.

[Friendly]

Another interesting tidbit: It has been confirmed that there will be no self-publishing on Xbox One (PS4 and Wii U allow it).
Indie devs are gonna love it.

[steveovig]

Honestly, it really baffles me how anyone with any real knowledge of this console could possibly buy this hunk of junk? I could see if you're ignorant to whole situation and just a casual gamer but otherwise anyone who buys one of these things is an idiot. Who the hell wants to lose so much control over things you pay money for? Sadly, this thing will still probably sell more at launch than the Wii U did. If Nintendo had only planned out their launch better, they'd be in a pretty decent position right now to sell consoles. Because of today's news, I suspect things will work out in their favor (not competing with PS4 or anything though, just making the U a success).

[Friendly]

Honestly, it really baffles me how anyone with any real knowledge of this console could possibly buy this hunk of junk? I could see if you're ignorant to whole situation and just a casual gamer but otherwise anyone who buys one of these things is an idiot. Who the hell wants to lose so much control over things you pay money for?

Well...

[cools]

Another interesting tidbit: It has been confirmed that there will be no self-publishing on Xbox One (PS4 and Wii U allow it).
Indie devs are gonna love it.

Of course there won't be, it's x86. Makes it a little tougher to crack the security.

[Casey120]

Honestly, it really baffles me how anyone with any real knowledge of this console could possibly buy this hunk of junk? I could see if you're ignorant to whole situation and just a casual gamer

You just answered you own question there .
It's obvious MS doesn't see a future for a traditional console any more and goes for a bigger pie hoping to sell a complete entertainment package .

Looking at the way sales go downwards the last years and a console like the PS4 delivering more of that exact same stuff with some enhanced graphic effects in a higher resolution MS is steering away from that .
The future will tell if they are right !

[Skykid]

Honestly, it really baffles me how anyone with any real knowledge of this console could possibly buy this hunk of junk? I could see if you're ignorant to whole situation and just a casual gamer but otherwise anyone who buys one of these things is an idiot. Who the hell wants to lose so much control over things you pay money for?

Well...

Give the guy a break. He's certainly not the only person who's going to buy it.



I'm sure there will be at least two others.

[Casey120]

Yeh ,
Even with all your hard mission work here there will always be some Sheep not following the flock .
You can always insult them more !

[Battlesmurf]

Well, I think I have a big enough backlog back to the TG16 days that I'm going to crack on, and a PC to the future. I didn't think the end of the road would be like this lol.

I'm not pre-ordering either of the two new systems, and hanging back on this Wii U for a bit to see if it benefits from any more time in the oven. Worst case scenario, I play arcade games for the rest of my career.

I wonder how this will pan out for MS? I can't see it going over very well for very long. I see them fighting pretty hard for "3rd" place perhaps?

[cools]

Honestly, it really baffles me how anyone with any real knowledge of this console could possibly buy this hunk of junk? I could see if you're ignorant to whole situation and just a casual gamer but otherwise anyone who buys one of these things is an idiot. Who the hell wants to lose so much control over things you pay money for?

Well...

Give the guy a break. He's certainly not the only person who's going to buy it.



I'm sure there will be at least two others.

You will, eventually. There's a reason it's called Xbox One

[hail good sir]

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[Skykid]

You will, eventually. There's a reason it's called Xbox One

I may have no choice! But I managed to fanagle pretty much all copy for the 360 this gen around (it goes for more $$ on ebay) so it shouldn't be too much of a problem - especially if it epic fails.

I'm assuming the hackers will be all over this as part of their commitment to unravelling corporate evils, so with a little ingenuity it may become a jailbroken must buy.

[Brasseye]

This gen I'd recommend buying fire-arms instead of games consoles.

[MOSQUITO FIGHTER]

What if you buy a crappy game and you want to sell? I don't think they will give you a way to sell the games. It's not all that big of a deal on a five to fifteen dollar xbla game, but I'm really not interested in doing that on full priced games. I think they should make the games considerably cheaper (like maybe twenty or thirty dollars at most) if they are download only. I've bought quite a few xbla games and was expecting support for them on the new system. Because of that I'm not putting much faith into a download only console.

I don't care at all about kinect or this overdone fancy TV watching bullshit. I'd rather just use a remote than have to get in front of the sensor, have to wave my hands around, and bark out commands at the TV. I don't even really watch TV all that much anymore aside from the occasional netflix streaming anyway.

[Skykid]

This gen I'd recommend buying fire-arms instead of games consoles.

Win.

What if you buy a crappy game and you want to sell? I don't think they will give you a way to sell the games. It's not all that big of a deal on a five to fifteen dollar xbla game, but I'm really not interested in doing that on full priced games. I think they should make the games considerably cheaper (like maybe twenty or thirty dollars at most) if they are download only. I've bought quite a few xbla games and was expecting support for them on the new system. Because of that I'm not putting much faith into a download only console.

Time will tell what their plans are. Indeed, buying something you don't like and wanting to move it on is part and parcel of playing games - intrinsic really. If MS manages to completely cut that out of the picture, people are going to become incredibly selective about purchases.

I imagine even the COD and Halo boys who buy at full price very often flip the games when they're done at the local games store to part-ex for something new - and then do it again. Making that practice impossible will make people so tight on their wallets that smaller games companies will be clutching at thin air to try and get a foothold in the market. No-one will want to gamble on anything that doesn't score 9/10.

[cools]

I'm assuming the hackers will be all over this as part of their commitment to unravelling corporate evils, so with a little ingenuity it may become a jailbroken must buy.

Bingo!

There's all sorts of rambling I could do about the topic, but essentially - I expect this machine to be fairly straightforward to modify. The money to be made isn't in physical copies of games any more, it's in online publishing & media streaming, so they want to get the machine into as many homes as possible. What's always a good way of getting a console to be in demand? Easy piracy.

Shift as much hardware as possible and make your money flogging content subscriptions. It's a perfect business model.

[Despatche]

still a total mystery as to why so many people claim to care about any of this

waiting for hilariously high sales and the thing somehow playing under ps4

also see cool's post above

design is good, seems to be going for high tech disc player/dvr

unfortunately i'm more familiar with gt than forza

also we gotta wonder what this will all mean for sega

six all-lowercase sentences that apparently mean nothing without years of overthinking

[shmuppyLove]

but after yesterday backwards compatibility seems to be the most important function in a console EVER.

I think the reason is that many members here (and gamers in general) have invested a lot of money in their 360 library, and would like to be able to continue to play them on a a new machine. And maybe they can't afford to buy a brand new console without selling the old one first.

For the PS3, it's obvious Sony did a lot of work to include backwards compatibility. IIRC, they had to include additional silicon in order to run PS2 and PS1 games, and they definitely had to add the virtual memory card and controller mapping functionality to the OS, something which it seems they are not willing (or able) to do again for the PS4.

I think the only reason b/c was phased out of both PS3 and Wii is that it did actually require additional parts (the Gamecube controller ports and memory card slot, in the case of the Wii), and of course at some point the supply of those parts will be used up, and they aren't about to manufacture more just for this purpose.

Probably the new architectures of both PS4 and Xbox One are just too different from their predecessors and it's not technically possible. Seems like they are both moving to a more PC-like architecture, as opposed to the traditional (and more expensive) custom hardware approach.

[Udderdude]

I thought consumers were already trying to move away from subscription models .. or at least there's some backlash.

And cable TV subscriber rates are in free-fall.

[cools]

All you can eat subscriptions are massively popular when they're cheap.

Content rental also hugely attractive when payment is easy and the price is right. See the 80s and 90s success of the VHS and DVD rental shops. The same environment is now available online where the bandwidth is.

[Udderdude]

Xbox Live Gold is not cheap enough IMO.

[Friendly]

Xbox Live Gold is not cheap enough IMO.

Duh. Online gaming is free everywhere else. Anything more than $0 is not cheap enough.

Btw, I bet the "offline pass" was EA's idea.

Funny:

What we are about to show you is your first look at actual in game footage of our new sports line up for Xbox One

It was all pre-rendered," Wilson told Polygon. "Listen, we're not hiding behind that fact."

[Wonderbanana]

Xbox Live Gold is not cheap enough IMO.

Duh. Online gaming is free everywhere else. Anything more than $0 is not cheap enough.

Btw, I bet the "offline pass" was EA's idea.

Funny:

What we are about to show you is your first look at actual in game footage of our new sports line up for Xbox One

It was all pre-rendered," Wilson told Polygon. "Listen, we're not hiding behind that fact."

Whilst I'd obviously like to pay £0, I was never too bothered by paying for Live because it pissed all over Sony's online from a great height. I don't mind paying for quality of service.

[cools]

Indeed. By paying for something you expect to have something worthwhile. If it's given for free you're supposed to forgive all manner of faults.

[Friendly]

Fact remains that Microsoft puts stuff like Youtube and third party apps like Netflix behind a paywall to make it look likey they are offering value for money, and they hold the online portion of games you own hostage.

[Friendly]

Shuhei Yoshida, President of Sony's Worldwide Studios for Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/336957052263997440

You know, this whole Xbox One situation is almost like Sony managed to place undercover agents in influential positions at Microsoft. What other possible explanation can there be for this comedy/tragedy/clusterfuck?

[Udderdude]

I think there's a sense of genuine panic that they're losing relevancy, so they're trying whatever they can think of to be the "Next big thing" .. see: Windows 8 and the rush to turn Windows into a tablet OS.