Ketsui X and Daioujou Black Label X - Ports for Xbox 360

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:02 pm

Went to the Osaka games festa today (like a mini-TGS). Stopped by the MS booth where BLEX and Ketsui were available to play.
Took video of a scrubby guy getting through the first level of Ketsui. Judge for yourself.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=bWCwc_Mapck

I also chatted with the 5pb rep again and he told me that the reason Ketsui EX has been delayed were concerns about the accuracy of the port. So yes it looks like they will take their time with it.

PPA · Post by **PPA** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:05 pm

adversity1 wrote:Went to the Osaka games festa today (like a mini-TGS). Stopped by the MS booth where BLEX and Ketsui were available to play.
Took video of a scrubby guy getting through the first level of Ketsui. Judge for yourself.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=bWCwc_Mapck

I also chatted with the 5pb rep again and he told me that the reason Ketsui EX has been delayed were concerns about the accuracy of the port. So yes it looks like they will take their time with it.

Thanks for sharing!

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:14 pm

That's the first time I've seen footage of Ketsui. The port seems nice, but it was hard on this first glance to see what all the Ketsui fuss is about. Kinda looked like a lot of other Cave games. Not a bad thing, but I guess I was expecting something a bit different. Probably the scoring system is distinctive?

PPA · Post by **PPA** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:19 pm

professor ganson wrote:That's the first time I've seen footage of Ketsui. The port seems nice, but it was hard on this first glance to see what all the Ketsui fuss is about. Kinda looked like a lot of other Cave games. Not a bad thing, but I guess I was expecting something a bit different. Probably the scoring system is distinctive?

I must point you on Ketsui review from insomnia.ac for a good reading then

http://insomnia.ac/reviews/custom/ketsui/

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:36 pm

I always wondered what the fuss was about too as I've never played the coin-op. However, having now played the DS version, I'm looking forward to the 360 port a lot more now. The simple scoring mechanic is quite addictive (the closer you are to the enemies when you destroy them, the bigger score chips you get).

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:08 pm

bcass wrote:I always wondered what the fuss was about too as I've never played the coin-op. However, having now played the DS version, I'm looking forward to the 360 port a lot more now. The simple scoring mechanic is quite addictive (the closer you are to the enemies when you destroy them, the bigger score chips you get).

I don't want to sound like the stereotypical arcade pcb owning snob, but you seriously can't compare the Ketsui PCB to the DS version.
Perhaps the extra stage, but since you mostly fight bosses you just don't get that exciting kamikaze feeling you have when playing the real deal.
Always risk your life for the fucking 5-boxes!
If you don't play this game with always point-blanking the enemies, it just is a regular shooter.
Personally, i wouldn't say Ketsui deserves all of it's "1200$ for a kit" hype, but it sure is a great game.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:24 pm

No, I was not comparing the PCB with the DS version. However, the method of scoring is similar enough for me to derive that that particular element is what makes the game interesting. It's an interesting risk/reward mechanism.

PPA · Post by **PPA** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:52 pm

Here's a video that illustrates that "point-blanking" kamikaze-style of playing

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=FcBJUBc-3 ... re=related

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:06 pm

professor ganson wrote:That's the first time I've seen footage of Ketsui. The port seems nice, but it was hard on this first glance to see what all the Ketsui fuss is about. Kinda looked like a lot of other Cave games. Not a bad thing, but I guess I was expecting something a bit different. Probably the scoring system is distinctive?

Well, it is perhaps the best scoring system Cave has put out so far (the one that makes the most sense, anyway). Other distinctive factors include patterns that are both interesting and challenging, and a sensible TLB.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:38 pm

bcass wrote:I always wondered what the fuss was about too as I've never played the coin-op.

I was lucky enough to play the coin-op when it was out in Japan (not knowing wtf the game was either) and thinking it was amazing.
Cos it was all in JP, I had to search for ages when I got home to try to find out the name of the game, but back in mid 03 there wasn't too much info so I dropped it.

Then, we were lucky enough for shmups member ill6 to donate it to our local arcade in London, and it all came flooding back.

It's difficult to explain Ketsui - it's bombastic and in your face, right through to the way the bosses come in to a sweet drum n bass beat. I'd say it gives you the same thrills as Daioujou, but it's not quite as punishing so early on, and the scoring system is tons a fun. Everything about it feels just...spot on.

I love it to bits. I'd kill for the PCB, and just looking at the vid of that port makes me want it back even more.

ill6 - please put it back for Christmas!!

spineshark · Post by **spineshark** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:28 pm

moozooh wrote:(the one that makes the most sense, anyway).

Pretty sure that would be Dangun Feveron

It doesn't get much simpler than "don't let the little guys get away!"

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP · Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:57 am

Ketsui is the reason i still play shmups. Cant wait for this xbox 360 port. It will be a DREAM come true for those who invested in the failed project of "emulating" Ketsui pcb

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:14 am

spineshark wrote: Pretty sure that would be Dangun Feveron It doesn't get much simpler than "don't let the little guys get away!"

The proper scoring strategy looks a lot like Dangun Feveron, except multiplier items collect themselves for you. Interesting. Better than chaining, I guess.

PPA · Post by **PPA** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:43 am

Rob wrote:
spineshark wrote: Pretty sure that would be Dangun Feveron It doesn't get much simpler than "don't let the little guys get away!"
The proper scoring strategy looks a lot like Dangun Feveron, except multiplier items collect themselves for you. Interesting. Better than chaining, I guess.

yup way better than chaining. Chaining pisses me off

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:28 am

Nice signature pic. Where is it from?

PPA · Post by **PPA** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:33 am

Rob wrote:Nice signature pic. Where is it from?

is from the official DoDonPachi DOJ artwork

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:49 pm

PPA wrote:
Rob wrote:Nice signature pic. Where is it from?
is from the official DoDonPachi DOJ artwork

Oh how I pity you.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:57 pm

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP wrote:Ketsui is the reason i still play shmups. Cant wait for this xbox 360 port. It will be a DREAM come true for those who invested in the failed project of "emulating" Ketsui pcb

I wouldn't call it a failure. There's no doubt in my mind that one day it will be emulated.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:41 pm

Rob wrote:The proper scoring strategy looks a lot like Dangun Feveron, except multiplier items collect themselves for you. Interesting. Better than chaining, I guess.

Dangun Feveron minus the "shoot this right as it appears on the screen!" and "miss one item and you're fucked!" parts? :)

PPA · Post by **PPA** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:32 pm

Elixir wrote:
PPA wrote:
Rob wrote:Nice signature pic. Where is it from?
is from the official DoDonPachi DOJ artwork
Oh how I pity you.

whats your problem, onion-head?

moonblood · Post by **moonblood** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:38 pm

PPA wrote:Chaining pisses me off

PPA wrote:
Rob wrote:Nice signature pic. Where is it from?
is from the official DoDonPachi DOJ artwork

PPA · Post by **PPA** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:45 pm

moonblood wrote:
PPA wrote:Chaining pisses me off

PPA wrote:
Rob wrote:Nice signature pic. Where is it from?
is from the official DoDonPachi DOJ artwork

SO what? I mean... cant somebody think a game is a great game and at the same time not fully appreciate its dynamics compared to other games ones?

Dull guys uh

innerpattern · Post by **innerpattern** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:12 pm

dying pisses me off

PPA · Post by **PPA** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:47 am

innerpattern wrote:dying pisses me off

next time bomb

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:19 am

professor ganson wrote:That's the first time I've seen footage of Ketsui. The port seems nice, but it was hard on this first glance to see what all the Ketsui fuss is about.

Shaky camcorder vids of someone playing the game pretty messy uploaded on YouTube certainly will give you a lot less glamorous presentation of it. The game is out for six years now, and there´s a lot of very good superplays avaiable online that showcase this game A LOT better.

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:37 am

Hell, even the French shmup documentary show more decent footage of it. Granted, it's nothing compared to the superplays you're mentioning. There is a month old (IIRC) one by SWY, too. Very impressive.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:12 am

Sorry for the shaky cam btw, my right hand is fractured and it's hard to hold a camera atm.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:39 am

professor ganson wrote:That's the first time I've seen footage of Ketsui. The port seems nice, but it was hard on this first glance to see what all the Ketsui fuss is about. Kinda looked like a lot of other Cave games. Not a bad thing, but I guess I was expecting something a bit different. Probably the scoring system is distinctive?

Head over to superplay and download the imakichi's replay. If that doesn't make you excited to play the game, I don't think anything will.

drboom · Post by **drboom** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:53 am

I must have watched that superplay about fifty times before I bought the pcb. It got me totally stoked each time - such a good game.

hirounder · Post by **hirounder** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:32 am

There's new site for DDPDOJBLEX up, but it's still rather empty.

http://5pb.jp/games/div2/ddpdojblex/