New Cave Matsuri

[Zen]

How does it taste?

Like self-degradation?
Seriously, if ever a Durden needed to piss the soup, with an eugenic mercy mix, this is it.
Gentlemen, your homework assignment for tonight is . . . . .

[MachineAres 1CC]

I would forgive this if they could make a FMV shmup starring IRL idols.

I'm always feel sad when realize that for example Suzuka Morita is same age as me yet i cant do anything even if i'll go learn japanese as she is "star". I m not even sure if those models use twitter themself or it's their producer who manages that stuff.

LOL, it's hilarious you mentioned this, as I actually met Morita Suzuka a few years ago at an event where I was doing press and I kinda/sorta know the director of the show she was on for about 6 years (Idoling.) I'm not saying you have a chance at dating Japanese celebrities or something as that's absolute batshit insanity, but the way you say things like "you can't talk to them" is so negative and just not true. Try finding a normal, real person to be friends with (one who you can actually actively communicate with, even better,) you'll be a much happier person.

[Skykid]

Who gives an absolute mother fuck about "celebrities", especially something as talentless as a 'idol' (so-called).

Some little kid face painted, photoshopped and soft lensed to the nines who stands around looking goofy and throwing gang signs at you is the biggest waste of life imaginable.

Go watch some porn, beat one out and get focussed on something more productive and less horribly materialistic than the braindeath brought about by capitalistic enterprise. Better yet, go and get laid and have a relationship where you get to discover the joys of real women: argumentative, pissed off for no reason, blame happy, and professionally stubborn. I assure you your idols are exactly the same when the makeup comes off.

[Cata]

Holy shit hahaha

[Zen]

Who gives an absolute mother fuck about "celebrities", especially something as talentless as a 'idol' (so-called).

Some little kid face painted, photoshopped and soft lensed to the nines who stands around looking goofy and throwing gang signs at you is the biggest waste of life imaginable.

Go watch some porn, beat one out and get focussed on something more productive and less horribly materialistic than the braindeath brought about by capitalistic enterprise. Better yet, go and get laid and have a relationship where you get to discover the joys of real women: argumentative, pissed off for no reason, blame happy, and professionally stubborn. I assure you your idols are exactly the same when the makeup comes off.

Unforeseen consequence of CAVES pimping of idols and cynical carpetbagging of sexual dysfunction in general; Shmups Farmers going MGTOW?

Im beginning to think, maybe this is all a good thing.
Shump shmoes discover that idols are kawaii prostitutes, are not porcelain below the waist and fart some stinky shit. Win.
Shmup Farmers say, fuck women in general, leave their wives and have more cash for games. Win.
Newly awakened Shmup leet, realise CAVES pimpery and en masse say "FUCK CAVE", CAVES plan fails, CAVE loses even more cash. Karma. Win

Now, if you will excuse me, im off to play some Deathsmiles.

[Bananamatic]

Who gives an absolute mother fuck about "celebrities", especially something as talentless as a 'idol' (so-called).

Some little kid face painted, photoshopped and soft lensed to the nines who stands around looking goofy and throwing gang signs at you is the biggest waste of life imaginable.

Go watch some porn, beat one out and get focussed on something more productive and less horribly materialistic than the braindeath brought about by capitalistic enterprise. Better yet, go and get laid and have a relationship where you get to discover the joys of real women: argumentative, pissed off for no reason, blame happy, and professionally stubborn. I assure you your idols are exactly the same when the makeup comes off.

Reminder that idol otaku and people who have a waifu are way better players on average

CAVE is just trying to help the western community out and yet again the ignorant gaijin turns down the offer

Shmup Farmers say, fuck women in general, leave their wives and have more cash for games. Win.

playing into the hand of the printed circuit Jew is hardly "going your own way"

it's time to take the red pill and wake up

[Zen]

Shmup Farmers say, fuck women in general, leave their wives and have more cash for games. Win.

playing into the hand of the printed circuit Jew is hardly "going your own way"

it's time to take the red pill and wake up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fChF1w9Dvno

And that hat.
That hat is suggestive. Its design could easily accommodate a 500ml . . . Pocari sweat bottle (Maybe even a 900ml!)

[MachineAres 1CC]

Unforeseen consequence of CAVES pimping of idols and cynical carpetbagging of sexual dysfunction in general; Shmups Farmers going MGTOW?

Im beginning to think, maybe this is all a good thing.
Shump shmoes discover that idols are kawaii prostitutes, are not porcelain below the waist and fart some stinky shit. Win.
Shmup Farmers say, fuck women in general, leave their wives and have more cash for games. Win.
Newly awakened Shmup leet, realise CAVES pimpery and en masse say "FUCK CAVE", CAVES plan fails, CAVE loses even more cash. Karma. Win

Now, if you will excuse me, im off to play some Deathsmiles.

Jesus christ, this post. I can barely make any sense of it, but it just heightens the glory and keeps in line with everything else in this thread. So much batshit sexual/relationship insecurity going on in this community (just like with Japan's otaku culture at large,) it's mind-blowing.

[Squire Grooktook]

idol otaku and people who have a waifu are way better players on average

Sounds like a Pyrrhic victory to me.

[Skykid]

Reminder that idol otaku and people who have a waifu are way better players on average

That may well be true.

[Cagar]

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[Squire Grooktook]

Honestly not sure if they're jokes.

Poe's law at work?

[Cagar]

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[NTSC-J]

I assure you your idols are exactly the same when the makeup comes off.

You only get to see the beautiful, nice part of them.

This is the key line here. You only get to see the superficial side, not the real person. It's much too threatening to get close to an actual human, better to reduce it to a pretty husk that can be discarded after serving its function.

Would've bought the armpit water though, and I noticed that several people here also laughed at it. Did they seriously have to take it this far for people here to understand that these products are just a joke?

I also think its done as a joke, but it might as well be sold with a straight face. Are the body pillows, anatomically correct toy statues, and fan-made comics depicting the same or similar characters marinated in ejaculate also jokes?

[Skykid]

I assure you your idols are exactly the same when the makeup comes off.

That's the charm you moron

Oh, is that the "charm" is it? Feel "charmed" do you?

Lol.

Also, feeling the need to 'beat one out' after seeing some innocent idols.. you are a gorilla, right?

Technically we all resemble gorillas when it comes to masturbatory actions, but - and I know reading is so very hard for you - the suggestion was for the other guy to beat one out rather than obsess at length over a fiction. I wasn't referring to myself.

I could finish by calling you a moron, but that wouldn't be necessary. You do a perfectly good job of illustrating the fact on your own.

[Zen]

I assure you your idols are exactly the same when the makeup comes off.

Well, the opposite illusion that the idols provide is the point of them. Did you know that? You only get to see the beautiful, nice part of them. That's the charm you moron, no-one thought that they always have the role they do on stage.
Also, feeling the need to 'beat one out' after seeing some innocent idols.. you are a gorilla, right?

Would've bought the armpit water though, and I noticed that several people here also laughed at it. Did they seriously have to take it this far for people here to understand that these products are just a joke?

a wild schmoe appears
bad men cast accusations
innocent idols
bad monkeys beat meat to beat

[Cagar]

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[KAI]

So The Idolm@ster's plot it's a lie?

[Mehmet]

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[Skykid]

I knew that very well. That doesn't change anything however, as it was you who made the gorilla suggestion, which I think was a reflection of your own feels and needs as it sounded kinda crazy and unfitting for your average idol-otaku who are usually not in for faps.

Yeah right.

Epic backtrack with the whole "reflection of your own feels and needs" btw. That isn't what you said.

The idols are discarded to an empty black room as soon as they leave the audience (they hate performing btw, they're forced to it), and the people who like them are outcasts who use idols to fulfill their social needs because it's so easy to get in personal contact with them. The girls are also 'reduced' to look pretty while performing.
It could also be that some people enjoy seeing cute girls sing and dance AND the girls might also like doing that... but that's very unlikely, right?

I have no idea why this useless sarcasm is relevant to the point either I or NTSC-J was making. Nobody is discussing performer or pundit satisfaction, it was a commentary on superficiality, materialism and crass capitalistic junk peddled to socially challenged people.

Really, if you can't follow the conversation longer than a single post, and/or tackle a discussion that's mildly cerebral, I've got no idea why you join the party by calling other people morons.

[Cagar]

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[NTSC-J]

It could also be that some people enjoy seeing cute girls sing and dance AND the girls might also like doing that... but that's very unlikely, right?

I imagine there are smiles on all sides, from the sweating nerds clutching their trading cards, to the women who have been groomed for this, to the producers making a mint off these women until they are no longer profitable and are then married off to prospective business partners.

As much as I want to go on like this, judging by your replies, I'm going to have to spell it out. I'm sure most of these girls love being the center of attention and making money, but this is the essence of objectification and it's sad. When you look at the rosters of the current crop of "talent", what is the difference between them? Their hair? This one likes hamsters and that one likes crepes? This is not something for young girls to aspire to.

Next, there's literally nothing social about idols. You'll rarely get to look at them in the eyes and even more rarely you'll get to say a word that they'll hear, and if they do it'll be forgotten within a minute.

Have you heard of AKB? The main selling-point was that these were idols you could meet. I imagine this just involves the nerd sheepishly getting his pamphlets and jackbibs autographed, but they might as well be shaking hands with a guy in a Buzz Lightyear costume and asking about his adventures because it's so far removed from a real human interaction. The bottom line is the nerds don't want to talk to a real woman in a real way and everyone being okay with that is a sad thing.

[chempop]

This one likes hamsters and that one likes crepes?

Idol who likes hamsters might have pee-pee smelling hands, this might be a pro or con depending on your preference. I choose my Idol to prefer crepes, I don't mind a little extra meat on her bones and powdered sugar and strawberry scented pantsu A+++

[Cagar]

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[NTSC-J]

I was hoping you'd reply to the part where I was serious (the part after I say, "I'm going to have to spell it out").

[Cagar]

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[Skykid]

Alright I'd rather not join the discussion indeed, if obvious implications and attitudes cannot be commented on because it will go over Skykid's head

That doesn't make any sense. I responded directly to your comments.

crass capitalistic junk

to socially challenged people

I'd like you to elaborate both of these but...

Why do these statements require any elaboration? They're self-explanatory.

First of all, idols are not a materialistic social 'resource' that it supplied for demand unlike you guys seem to think?

Nobody said they're a social resource, we said they're a business resource.

Next, there's literally nothing social about idols.

Agreed.

You'll rarely get to look at them in the eyes and even more rarely you'll get to say a word that they'll hear, and if they do it'll be forgotten within a minute.

Fittingly you're taking about these people as if they weren't human, which is precisely the point we were making.

Basically what you both are saying sounds like something out of a feminist blog, that the idols are 'products' that are somehow consumed by watching them and that in the end it's nothing but a shady business exploiting human nature targeted at retards.

A feminist blog you say? That's interesting. You'll need to point me to the feminist blog that encourages you to masturbate to relieve hormonal angst and warns you that women are fallible creatures prone to driving you crazy. I may subscribe.

And if that's what you think then sure, that goes for alllll other entertainment too.

Rubbish. If that's what you believe then the world you live in must be made of plastic and recycled cardboard.

I'd like to hear your ideas on how to make J-idols less 'capitalistic junk' though

That's impossible, so no-one would, nor has attempted to, volunteer ideas based on elevating J-idols to an art form. For our next trick would you like us to turn McDonald's into fine dining?

The rest of it is just pointless moral policing (this is sad, this is not something to aspire to, that is a sad thing etc.) and while I disagree, there's not much to reply to.

No moral policing occurred. You were given a fact-based version of reality that you didn't take kindly to. You seem hellbent on defending J-idols as some kind of worthwhile contribution to humanity, yet you claim you don't feel the 'charm'. I'm skeptical of that.

This is very much ado about nothing really. You entered a non-conversation with a fair amount of bluster by firing off undue insults, have failed to show you understood the basis of the topic at hand or any of the comments that were made, and have continued to demonstrate an impressive inability in reading comprehension.

Don't go changing.

[Squire Grooktook]

A feminist blog you say? That's interesting. You'll need to point me to the feminist blog that encourages you to masturbate to relieve hormonal angst and warns you that women are fallible creatures prone to driving you crazy. I may subscribe..

I just want to comment that I don't think women are prone to driving men crazy...in fact I think that men and women are not just designed for each-other physically, but mentally as well. They're different but not opposed IMO, and in a lot of ways are drawn to each-others personalities (as well as bodies), I think. I can't speak for others, but personally I find most of the women in my life to be a lot more fun to talk to then the men.

What's prone to driving people crazy though IMO is spending exceeding amount of time with someone in a closed space (ie marriage or serious relationships in general). My grandmother used to tell stories about how the nuns and priests at her catholic school would say that the absolute hardest part of becoming a missionary was living and working with another holy man/woman (regardless of the gender of both parties) under the same roof for an extended period of time, which would yield a 90% chance of insanity or loathing of the other person. I imagine it would be good sitcom material, at any rate.

I understand the spirit of what Skykid is saying, accepting people as fallible human beings and such, which is what I mean. We're all prone to making mistakes, and these become more obvious when you live with someone for a long time. Sometimes you act like an insensitive jerk, sometimes she has a bad day and takes it out on you...sometimes it's both parties faults...etc. but if you want the good parts of a soul-mate, then you need to accept the hard parts as well. Just as you'd want (or rather, need) them to accept yours.

Cherish the good times, accept the bad ones. Such is life.

Anyway, welcome to the GamerGate Thread 2: Hyper Fighting.

[Skykid]

I just want to comment that I don't think women are prone to driving men crazy...in fact I think that men and women are not just designed for each-other physically, but mentally as well. They're different but not opposed IMO, and in a lot of ways are drawn to each-others personalities (as well as bodies), I think. I can't speak for others, but personally I find most of the women in my life to be a lot more fun to talk to then the men.

95% of my friends are female; partly due to cultural things, the rest personality clicking.

There's compatibility in incompatibility. Women do have a perfect recipe for driving men crazy, and vise versa - anyone who isn't aware of that hasn't been in enough close relationships. But that was simply a truism used to illustrate that idols and idolatry is an unrealistic representation of real people and a complete waste of time. The longer you invest in a fiction the less in touch you become with reality, hence some guy actually bemoaning that he doesn't think he can date a J-idol. I mean Jesus Christ.

[Bananamatic]

why does it bother you that much anyways, more pussy for you

the music/choreography is a major selling point of idol shit (if not THE selling point), no matter how much your "real woman" sucks your dick you aren't getting that out of her

according to your logic we should also stop watching football and fuck a dude in the ass instead