Three new Xbox One Shmups announced (Moss, qute, Triangle)

[mastermx]

I'm happy that there are new stgs, but I really don't want to buy an xboxone.

[EmperorIng]

how is all this excitement justified?

People like being excited about something new that is potentially high-quality; e.g. Raiden games are synonymous with quality (except for Raiden III). It's exciting to play a potentially new Raiden game.

[Furry Fox Jet Pilot]

how is all this excitement justified?

People like being excited about something new that is potentially high-quality; e.g. Raiden games are synonymous with quality (except for Raiden III). It's exciting to play a potentially new Raiden game.

Exciting doesn't even begin to describe it! This could potentially be the Raiden V I've been waiting for!!!!

[trap15]

Raiden Fighters 4 please

[Nick420]

Don't forget as well folks, when you find a shooter you love, you get miles and miles more playtime per money spent value than any AAA, hold ur hand, linear, over in
six hours then relegated to a shelf forever title
I'm excited about this news, especially excited that qute have made enough money to feel its worth while to continue developing shooters yay! It's true! Stg will never die!!!

Just a pity were gonna have to wait so long...

[Cuilan]

Raiden Fighters 4 please

YES.

This so much.

[Furry Fox Jet Pilot]

Raiden Fighters 4 please

YES.

This so much.

Sorry to kill your dreams, but it's definitely not going to be a Raiden Fighters game.
Does this look a Raiden Fighters logo to you? I got it from a page that had the announcement for this new Raiden game.

[DEL]

Lord Satori wrote:

What I don't like is that there was a legit reason that the 360 was so popular, which was because it came out 6 months (or more, I don't remember) before the PS3 did. Whereas the Xbone came out around the same time. Also, I feel like people are completely forgetting the fact that Microsoft tried to disown it's customers with that awful DRM thing it tried. Yes, they revoked it, but the very fact that they tried to do it should matter, shouldn't it?

Agreed. That and a whole lot more.

[drunkninja24]

Lord Satori wrote:

What I don't like is that there was a legit reason that the 360 was so popular, which was because it came out 6 months (or more, I don't remember) before the PS3 did. Whereas the Xbone came out around the same time. Also, I feel like people are completely forgetting the fact that Microsoft tried to disown it's customers with that awful DRM thing it tried. Yes, they revoked it, but the very fact that they tried to do it should matter, shouldn't it?

Agreed. That and a whole lot more.

idgaf about this in all honesty

if the games are there, that's where I'll go

nothing more, nothing less

[Cuilan]

Sorry to kill your dreams, but it's definitely not going to be a Raiden Fighters game.
Does this look a Raiden Fighters logo to you? I got it from a page that had the announcement for this new Raiden game.

Yes, I had known that it was practically guaranteed that it wouldn't be a RF game the moment Moss was confirmed as the developer.

However, that won't prevent me from keeping the dream alive.

And besides, that logo isn't even final!

[Squire Grooktook]

Yes, but you actually do play shooting games. And going by how barren and desolate most leaderboards are, that's not a very common trait around here.

That is in essence my argument. There is nothing wrong with dropping triple-digits bucks for a shmup. But there's already a veritable buffet of quality title freely available on MAME that no one is playing, so how is all this excitement justified?

Just because people don't post on the leaderboards doesn't mean they aren't playing them. It just means they're not getting good scores lol.

Also don't give me "any score is worth posting". Most people would rather not brag about dying on stage 3 for the umpteenth time.

[InsaneNutter]

Awesome, even better that the Xbox One is region free so i wont need a second console this time.

You can also digitally import games with very little effort on the Xbox One, so hopefully we're on to a good thing this gen.

[PAPER/ARTILLERY]

I can't understand people in this thread wishing failure on the few companies that are still producing new shmups. Just be happy that people are still making these niche games for fans such as ourselves. It's a blessing that there are still developers out there willing to cater to our relatively small audience.

[hermosaguy]

idgaf about this in all honesty

if the games are there, that's where I'll go

nothing more, nothing less

I couldn't agree with this more. I actually play the shit out of my PS3 more than anything. I have had put way more money into my Japanese 360 as well as having a much bigger collection of Japanese games rather than U.S. No console loyalty, that died with Nintendo when they would rather milk nostalgia than innovate and take chances. Sucks having to give money to Microsoft but it is what it is.

[d3vak]

FFS The Xbone lauches on September in Japan, 2015 will be just around the corner by that moment, taking that on board why wouldn't they make available the first new games for the xbone also for the x360? Sony has always done that... Will M$ just kill the x360 like that just in order to sell their new console earlier? WTF

[professor ganson]

My Xbone has largely gone unused so far, so this is good news. Only, I'm not sure about playing this without a proper d-pad. I hope someone rigs a way to use PS2 controllers on the Xbone.

[Some-Mist]

FFS The Xbone lauches on September in Japan, 2015 will be just around the corner by that moment, taking that on board why wouldn't they make available the first new games for the xbone also for the x360? Sony has always done that... Will M$ just kill the x360 like that just in order to sell their new console earlier? WTF

yep - it's been a trend that you see continuing ever since the original xbox. when 360 was first released all support for the original xbox went out the window... meanwhile sony still had new games releasing pretty frequently at the end of ps2 cycle and during ps3's cycle.

I have trouble supporting microsoft but if they have enough games I'll buy the console (with the new announcements they seem to be doing alright)

[d3vak]

FFS The Xbone lauches on September in Japan, 2015 will be just around the corner by that moment, taking that on board why wouldn't they make available the first new games for the xbone also for the x360? Sony has always done that... Will M$ just kill the x360 like that just in order to sell their new console earlier? WTF

yep - it's been a trend that you see continuing ever since the original xbox. when 360 was first released all support for the original xbox went out the window... meanwhile sony still had new games releasing pretty frequently at the end of ps2 cycle and during ps3's cycle.

I have trouble supporting microsoft but if they have enough games I'll buy the console (with the new announcements they seem to be doing alright)

Me so sad

[Special World]

I don't know... the majority of Xbone games so far have also seen release on 360 or PC. I'd say the Xbone needs to start releasing exclusive games to validate itself. Titanfall is the console's biggest game and it's on 360 and PC as well.

If there's one thing I *wouldn't* complain about at this point, its Microsoft having dropped support for the 360. It'll happen soon, but so far that's definitely not the case.

[Lord Satori]

Nobody in their right mind would release an exclusive on the Xbone, that's the thing. That's why the fact that there are THREE shmup exclusives for it is very concerning.

[EmperorIng]

It's probably cheaper for MS to invest in niche-genre exclusives to increase an install base/sales as opposed to spending a lot of money for the big-guns. If a few thousand dollars creates a few thousand sales, they'd go for it.

[Lord Satori]

Alright, I'll give them that. I did see an interesting Xbone only indie game on the E3 site (though the company was only listed as "Microsoft Corporation") when it was going on and it made me go "aww man."

[Special World]

The Xbone is a popular console, I don't get what you're complaining about here. None of the three consoles is some sort of niche device.

I do find it weird that Japanese shmup devs wouldn't switch over to the PS4 so that Japanese STG players could have their shooters without investing in a whole new device, but I'm sure there's some internal reason for that. And who knows, maybe at some point scrolling shooters will go through a resurgence like fighting games saw (unlikely, obv) and the Xbone's soon-to-be-large US install base will actually shift units of something or other.

[Squire Grooktook]

Probably a bit off topic, but I think a resurgence of shmups would simply be if big publishers like Capcom and Konami decided it was worth putting money behind shmups once in a while, and payed Treasure and other such devs to make new games on occasion.

IMO the thing that made fighters "go underground" was the same thing as shmups: arcades dying in the west. Fighters got a resurgence thanks to online play finally coming into its own and becoming a standard for the genre. Shmups got a BIT thanks to the internet spreading the word about things like bullet hell, touhou, niche games, etc. Online Leaderboards and stuff like digital distribution help too imo.

I don't think shmups are doing too bad currently to be honest. I think the lowest they could possibly go is if it became utterly impossible for developers to publish or fund them for consoles, and every shmup became a low/zero budget indie thing or occasional labor of love like Jamestown. Stuff like Qute being able to make several games on consoles and new Moss games seem to say that this isn't entirely the case.

[Jonathan Ingram]

I don't think shmups are doing too bad currently to be honest. I think the lowest they could possibly go is if it became utterly impossible for developers to publish or fund them for consoles, and every shmup became a low/zero budget indie thing or occasional labor of love like Jamestown. Stuff like Qute being able to make several games on consoles and new Moss games seem to say that this isn't entirely the case.

I would imagine the budget is already pretty much non-existent and all the developers and artists work for food at this point. Eschatos debuted at the 50th position in Media-Create's weekly sales chart, Ginga Force at the 26th. We are likely looking at just a few hundred copies for the former and maybe somewhere between 1500 and 2500 for the latter. The demand for these games is clearly not there and I honestly have no idea how they can keep their business running with such sales. Literally nothing in Japan sells worse.

[spadgy]

not sure why I should shell out 400 bucks to play a couple of games that are essentialy the same as any other shmup you can play on MAME, but with slightly prettier graphics.

Legality?

I'm joking of course!

But on topic, I see it this way:

Hopefully this news is a sign that the Xbox One could with time emerge just as the 360 did to be a fantastic shmuppers' platform. Three games might not be enough for some to justify the expense right now, but it's a better sign than nothing at all that a few years down the line we could be looking at a great, affordable platform bristling with shmups. Or maybe that won't happen. But I'll remain positive and supportive, because that seems to be a way to help in a tiny way to push the Xbox One down that path.

And regardless, there's the potential of more new shmups to play. That alone has me optimistic (especially the Raiden news. Please be Raiden V! Please Still be a shmup!).

As for those wonky decisions from MS; that's to be expected from a vast capitalist organisation, surely? I'm not saying I like 'em all, but unless they start breaking a squirrel's wrists for every Xbox One sold, I'll put up with them to play more new shmups!

[Cuilan]

yep - it's been a trend that you see continuing ever since the original xbox. when 360 was first released all support for the original xbox went out the window... meanwhile sony still had new games releasing pretty frequently at the end of ps2 cycle and during ps3's cycle.

There is no trend.

MS released an HD version of Fable 1 for 360 earlier this year, they also published the 360 port of World of Tanks around that same time, and they're going to release a 360 version of Forza Horizon 2 near the end of the year.

[Some-Mist]

there has been a trend... Sony released ps1 games through 2005 and ps2 games through 2013. microsoft dropped xbox support in 2006 with 3-4 multiplatform releases 2007-2008. Sony (admittedly) does full 10-15 year development cycles and Microsoft drops their previous console support as soon as the new console picks up. I would seriously place a wager as small as $100 USD that PS3 games are still sold in the year 2020 with xbox 360 support thrown out the window. I haven't been able to gamble with anyone yet this gen and that's how I get my PCB money

fyi - I'm well aware that there are still games like the evil within releasing for the 360 in October 2014.

Spoiler

If you don't believe there's a trend take the wager (send a PM and I'll send you info) and I'll put this in my signature for the next 6 years. It would probably be a good bet for you since xbox one looks like it's failing pretty hard. Just don't go missing if you lose

[Jenseits]

PS1&2 had a MASSIVE user base. That is the ONLY reason Sony supported it.
My guess is that PS3 will not receive the same long-term support.

[Cuilan]

there has been a trend... Sony released ps1 games through 2005 and ps2 games through 2013. microsoft dropped xbox support in 2006 with 3-4 multiplatform releases 2007-2008. Sony (admittedly) does full 10-15 year development cycles and Microsoft drops their previous console support as soon as the new console picks up. I would seriously place a wager as small as $100 USD that PS3 games are still sold in the year 2020 with xbox 360 support thrown out the window. I haven't been able to gamble with anyone yet this gen and that's how I get my PCB money

fyi - I'm well aware that there are still games like the evil within releasing for the 360 in October 2014.

If you don't believe there's a trend take the wager (send a PM and I'll send you info) and I'll put this in my signature for the next 6 years. It would probably be a good bet for you since xbox one looks like it's failing pretty hard. Just don't go missing if you lose

A trend can't be established with Microsoft, since there's currently only one example of them quickly abandoning a console. The evidence so far suggests that the 360 won't be abandoned any time soon. To add to what I presented in my previous post, some more things to consider:

Due to bad licensing deals they made on the hardware, it was impossible for MS to ever sell the original Xbox for a profit. This is one of the the main reasons why they abandoned the system so quickly and released the 360 so early. This is not the case at all with the 360 hardware, which MS has been making a profit on for years.

Not only that, but the 360 also provides MS with many more revenue streams than the original Xbox did. Digital game sales, dashboard advertisements, sales of digital music and video content, multimedia app usage, etc.

The 360 also has a far larger install base for MS to make money off of compared to the original Xbox.

MS released a redesigned 360 almost exactly a year ago. It wouldn't make much sense for them to do this if they were planning to drop support for it any time soon.

Finally, MS themselves have said that they will continue to support the 360 until at least 2016.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013- ... more-years