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Axelay wrote:Hi people a complete newb here was going to pick up a Sony KV-25X5U trinitron for retro gaming.
I want to use this for my saturn shooters . snes and megadrive.

Will this this set do ? and also will it support 4:3 ?

thank you .

grabbing this sucker for £25.

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thanks buddy picked up the behemoth today.
the picture is outstanding i am very scared however as i have three lines above my screen when i try to play saturn and ps2 in rgb 16:3 or when the screen boots up.

however when i switch to 4:3 the lines disappear and everything is gorgeous.

i don't intend to play in 16:9 anytime soon 4:3 is beautiful.

apologies for the awful picture quality you can see the lines at the top of the screen

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Just kill pin 8 on the scart cable and the TV won't switch into 16:9 any longer when booting up your source system.

And if you want to use anamorphic 16:9 sources some time, you can adjust the settings in the service menu, so the three colored lines don't show any longer.
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thank you very much buddy. i was so scared i had a faulty tv! :shock:

Do you know how to access the service menu on this TV?
was also wondering if i could copy somebody's picture settings for a sony trinitron that would be great.

Can not wait to connect it up to my onkyo and have some layer section goodness!
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Axelay wrote:Do you know how to access the service menu on this TV?
It's shown on page 20 of the service manual:

http://elektrotanya.com/sony_kv-25x5a_b ... nload.html
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Fudoh wrote:Just kill pin 8 on the scart cable and the TV won't switch into 16:9 any longer when booting up your source system.
Or press the aspect ratio button on the remote. Left most button on the row with the MENU button iirc.
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It's shown on page 20 of the service manual:

[/quote]http://elektrotanya.com/sony_kv-25x5a_b ... nload.html[/quote]

Thank you very much mkl and sorry for the late reply .

I have successfully accessed the service menu but now i am completely stuck as i don't have a clue what to do
Is there like a factory reset i can make ?

I also do not know how to access the geometry screen with the grid would that help me find out the problems i have ?
and also after accessing the service menu i keep exiting by mistake after choosing the geometry screen what button do i use?
sorry for my the silly questions i am so grateful for all the help so far.
I am so happy and impressed with my sony so far [ thumbs up fagin] i just want my image centered a little as text on the left is missing.
cheers ! :D
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Is there like a factory reset i can make ?
don't do this. It will reset to basic and completely useless settings and you'll need ages to adjust everything again.

Consumer TVs don't have built in test patterns. You have use a test DVD.
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Axelay wrote:It's shown on page 20 of the service manual:
http://elektrotanya.com/sony_kv-25x5a_b ... nload.html[/quote]

Thank you very much mkl and sorry for the late reply .

I have successfully accessed the service menu but now i am completely stuck as i don't have a clue what to do
Is there like a factory reset i can make ?

I also do not know how to access the geometry screen with the grid would that help me find out the problems i have ?
and also after accessing the service menu i keep exiting by mistake after choosing the geometry screen what button do i use?
sorry for my the silly questions i am so grateful for all the help so far.
I am so happy and impressed with my sony so far [ thumbs up fagin] i just want my image centered a little as text on the left is missing.
cheers ! :D[/quote]

I can't remember the keys to use, but you won't have much option between using the arrow keys up / down and then left / right.... coupled with the menu button itself.
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Is there anything useful to know about the KD36XS955
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Overkill wrote:Any feedback on the Sony Trinitron Model KV-21C5E? Can't find any relevant info on the Google, but is a good bargain at a local auction. Anyone know this model, are good for retro gaming?

I just found it have an FE-1 Chassis
I have one similar to that model, made in Spain from the late ninties, came with composite input back when no one knew what it was (it was all about scart back then). Yeah it is pretty good, but there is better of course. Use, the first scart input to get RGB, from what I read online the second scart inputs usually dont do RGB.
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nZero wrote:Is there anything useful to know about the KD36XS955
Wow! 36 inches in 4:3! 238.5 pounds :shock: You will have to reinforce your basement for this one. Also tate-ing it will be nearly impossible i assume.

It's an HD tube, so you will have to deal with the lack of scanlines, frame / line-doubling, lag and what not, so often discussed in the hardware section.

On the other hand - if you can get it for cheap and you aren't hot about "arcade looks" and scanlines than i would personally take it. For conveniences sake.
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I've already got it, actually. Picked it up for free (well, the cost of gas in the pickup and buying dinner for my friend who helped me move it) and wondering if there's anything useful to know about it. Of course no tate :P I mostly got it for TV and movies so the only game systems it will see would be a PS3 (can I do audio over HDMI?) and also the NES (what kind of lag should I expect from SD input?) just because it's fun to keep in the living room. The weight isn't so bad, still a 2 person job but the shape of the casing is more of an impediment to lifting and moving it.
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Hi there here I come once again on another thread.
I have found a Sony Black Trinitron, model KV-A2913E.
I have search on google and it says that it has an AE1C chassis. Is a good one for MD, NES, SNES, etc
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Do any of the American charcoal grey Trinitrons have component in? Or just S-Video?
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Phellan Wolf wrote:Hi there here I come once again on another thread.
I have found a Sony Black Trinitron, model KV-A2913E.
I have search on google and it says that it has an AE1C chassis. Is a good one for MD, NES, SNES, etc
There isn't a "bad" chassis on the 4:3 Sony TV's for retro stuff.
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DrMattBuckets wrote:Do any of the American charcoal grey Trinitrons have component in? Or just S-Video?
IIRC that colour is pre Wega sets, which means (afaik) that component was not an option for those specific models.
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fagin wrote:
Phellan Wolf wrote:Hi there here I come once again on another thread.
I have found a Sony Black Trinitron, model KV-A2913E.
I have search on google and it says that it has an AE1C chassis. Is a good one for MD, NES, SNES, etc
There isn't a "bad" chassis on the 4:3 Sony TV's for retro stuff.
So do you recomend to pick up that model I've mentioned?
It will 29 inches of retrogoodness 8)
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Can anyone tell me about the AA-1 chassis? Namely Sony model #kv-27v10
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I just found a Trinitron cheap locally. KV-32WF1E with BE-3D Chassis. Do anyone know if it's any good?
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Was wondering if anybody had any tips on Tate ing a sony trinitron? I have a kv25x5u it's a really weird curvy shape . It doesn't seem to have any flat sides and it is mega heavy. I can provide pictures of its sides . Just a bit scared it might fall and take my foot of :cry:

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Is this your set? http://mypdfmanuals.com/user-manual,SON ... 570163.pdf (Service manual link, unfortunately not the full document, but shows a picture of the set and the chassis identifier.)

I'm speaking from the US perspective, but I think I should have some basic pointers to get you looking in the right direction.

First, the safety of consumer sets for tate viewing - even before looking at the specific monitor, I would say this is bad. As you point out, these monitors are only meant to look good in normal portrait orientation. Somebody else might be able to give you direct input on that model (seems unlikely), but there are a few potential failings: the set might only be designed to take rough treatment when being initially shipped and installed; putting it into tate might put stress on parts that were never meant to be stressed, and the overall cabinet shape seems unsuitable; there might not be adequate vents or airflow design to allow warm air to rise through the system when put on its side.

Secondly, the utility of this model. I was looking recently at a US-area KV-27V45, which is apparently a newer model, but similar in some ways. It looks like a nice set, but the back panel only seems to have S-Video and composite inputs. For a serious gaming TV you want at least component YPbPr inputs - ideally SCART for RGB sources. There's no reason to accept anything less when there are people throwing out very nice CRT sets, or looking to give them a good home, right this instant. You can choose whatever size or make you want. Look for something new, and look in all your local online classifieds.

Finally, the availability of reasonably affordable pro monitors which are superior in every regard save viewing size and possibly price (but think of it as a potential long-term investment). Pro monitors were, to the best of my knowledge, all designed with maximum flexibility and a relatively high degree of ruggedness in mind. I don't think that any cube monitors were designed by Sony with the understanding that they would be used on their sides, but they were probably designed with the understanding that they might be hauled off to strange corners of the Earth in support of A/V productions, and would be facing harsher stresses than just initial shipment and installation. A 20" PVM should weigh about 70 pounds, a BVM about 80 (sorry, I don't remember the proper mass offhand, and only remember the US weight numbers). Additionally, these monitors are flexible and many support all kinds of inputs - both Japanese and US region-compatible NTSC signals as well as PAL (some even autodetect this), RGB inputs suitable for playing many original arcade boards for the best vertical gaming experience outside of a dedicated arcade cabinet, component, and sometimes progressive signals for 480p / 576p consoles. Having this in a nice cube chassis with lots of ventilation points, handles on the sides, and an easy-to-manage cube shape means that you get a large number of positive design characteristics right off the bat. The only problem is sourcing one - they can be a bit expensive to find, and often need to be shipped from afar, and some shady sellers are trying to offload ones that are not in perfect working condition. That being said, these monitors often have tens of thousands of hours and the only issue is that they are a bit cheaper for their age. Lots of good choices here really.

Settle for the best, and good luck on your tate monitor quest!
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Hi thank you very much for your reply . My sony has rgb scart outputs on the back. And it is really weirdly shaped. So I think you may be right in regards for trying to tate it. I think fagnirs might have the same model tv as me but his is a 20 inch tv so he might be able to do tate his.
I have some pictures if they help :)

The thing is stupidly big

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I might just have to get a bang and olufsen to tate . Unless someone could recommend a Sony consumer,CRT that is tate able
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There are some vents, although not all ideally placed, and the front bezel section...thing...looks quite bad indeed. Somebody else will have to chime in about the suitability of a consumer set for unusual signals - there aren't very many console games I could think of which have vertical display modes.

Overall, a nice set on a well-regarded chassis, but you should be able to do better. Depends on what you want to get from it. If the picture is still good, I wouldn't have any qualms about pressing it into normal horizontal games service (at least for consoles).
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I have a very old Trinitron at home (old enough it has a perfectly rectangular, wood-patterned bezel on the front) that has only a coaxial input. I wonder how difficult it would be to mod in better input? Is this something even worth investigating?
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Very old + no special inputs = no hope. The best you can hope for is that it has the same base chassis as a more desirable model (like what?! Something that old...) and has parts that could be used as spares (probably not many ICs on it, though; who knows how far out of spec analog components have drifted?). But the shape of the external cabinet and the difficulty in just managing durable / precision welds / solders to add on boards / inputs would make such a project ugly, difficult, and dangerous at best.

If you don't feel like junking it straight away, look up the model number and see if you can find what chassis it is running on, if there is any service manual available. Maybe you could find somebody looking for one, or a spare.

Additionally, maybe Rob79 could have some interest, if it's in good shape.
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Axelay wrote:Hi thank you very much for your reply . My sony has rgb scart outputs on the back. And it is really weirdly shaped. So I think you may be right in regards for trying to tate it. I think fagnirs might have the same model tv as me but his is a 20 inch tv so he might be able to do tate his.
I have some pictures if they help :)

The thing is stupidly big

I might just have to get a bang and olufsen to tate . Unless someone could recommend a Sony consumer,CRT that is tate able
Of course that's tateable, even if you don't like the slanting angle for your viewing, just support the back of it to bring it level - been there and done it before.
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fagin wrote:
Axelay wrote:Hi thank you very much for your reply . My sony has rgb scart outputs on the back. And it is really weirdly shaped. So I think you may be right in regards for trying to tate it. I think fagnirs might have the same model tv as me but his is a 20 inch tv so he might be able to do tate his.
I have some pictures if they help :)

The thing is stupidly big

I might just have to get a bang and olufsen to tate . Unless someone could recommend a Sony consumer,CRT that is tate able
Of course that's tateable, even if you don't like the slanting angle for your viewing, just support the back of it to bring it level - been there and done it before.

:D you sir are an enigma . Thank you very much
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If you rotate it and push the back against the wall (so it's level), it should support it enough by the TV wanting to move downwards (against the wall) but will keep it level. If you want to ensure utter support, fill the void underneath with something appropriate.
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I have got a Sony KV-29X5D. Like so often the RGB picture from my 1 chipper SNES is shifted to the left.
I was able to move the picture to the right by service menu, but I have to move it more to the right. Somehow the value is already maxed out.

Any change to move it more to right right w/o a RGB shifter?
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