Sexism, etc. (split from SDOJ thread)

[trap15]

Same.

[Hagane]

Sexism isn't inherent. Dominating and feeding on the weak is. Be it women, children, the poor or whatever species, race or group is weaker than yours. Even the weak prey on those who are weaker than them.

[BryanM]

If Japanese women really find their lot in life to be unbearable then they certainly are more than capable of forcing societal change. The last thing they need is a round table of western male knights coming to their rescue.

I am far, far more concerned about the plight of my Japanese brothers.

The women, they're not the ones at cuddle parties with their goddamn pillow wives.

[Udderdude]

3D is pig disgusting.

[kamiboy]

Those kinds of people are made of the same stuff wherever you find them, and you find them pretty much everywhere.

If they are happy with their fascimile love proxies then that is their business I reckon.

[Teufel_in_Blau]

lol, that AKB48 thing in the article is really funny because I remember reading somewhere that in the 90s AKB48 wouldn't even make it into the Japanese top 40. But because the normal people don't buy music anymore, while the nerds and otaku still do, you are seeing groups like that charting.

We see a similar phenomena in the west: "Backstreets Back" sold over 25 mill. records alone. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backstreet ... iscography
While Lady Gagas COMBINED record sales didn't even hit that mark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga_discography

Children music like Justin Bieber or Miley Cyrus doesn't sell THAT good. It's just that everything else sells so bad. The only group that still buys records are children because they don't know how to use a download manager. That is why most record labels target those and that is why our music charts look like they look.

Same goes for Japan but they have a nice army of otaku which they can target. It is not that it got worse, it just that most normal people just don't care as much for TV and old-school media. The media on the other hand goes like "wtf is going on, where are the Bruce Springsteens of this generation?" And now they are concentrating on phenomenons that older than my hairy ass because it is the only shit that is left for them.

Also, do I am still reading in the year 2013 that PORN has something to do with sexism? Really? Whats next? Violent games are the reason why american kids like to shoot themself in the face?

I have news for you white knights: I fap to porn because I'm an ugly fuck with a shitty job and not because I have an aversion against women. I said it already in an other thread and I say it again: The standards went higher for the average women because today most women can make the same amount of money as man but on the other hand they STILL expect looser like me to bring more money home than they. If you have a women that has no problems with it, well than you are a very lucky man but thinking that this is the norm and not ice-cold reality is like... I don't know, are you living in fairytale land?

[mesh control]

I have news for you white knights: I fap to porn because I'm an ugly fuck with a shitty job and not because I have an aversion against women.

You are not trying hard enough.

[Teufel_in_Blau]

You are not trying hard enough.

At one point in your life you just stop trying and accept.

[DragonInstall]

If you're an ugly loser, all you have to do to get a girl is workout... or make a lot of money.

Women just care about confidence and money. Working out builds confidence naturally, and makes you look more attractive.

But honestly women are kind of useless as a whole. They don't know what they want and are always emotionally erratic. They are nothing like anime girls, so never expect them to act like one.

[Skykid]

The western man, haughtily looking down on and spitting upon the barbarian outsiders and their inferior cultural habits since ancient Greece.

Sexism stems from inherent traits in simian males, it is part of the wonderful group of instincts that define social behaviour. One may bemoan it to one's heart's content, but it will always be part of the species wide standard set of programming.

As it usually is with instincts one can try to suppress it with reason or law, but as long as the underlying mechanism exists it will continue to manifest itself in some form or fashion. Western societies have merely shamed themselves into suppressing it better on a surface level. If I were to venture a guess as to why they have so far had more success in suppressing it at surface level than others it would have to come back to the old favourite, the christian background and its ancient shame strategy in all matters sexual.

I have never been a fan of the west's Greco-roman approach to the outside world in always falling back on, "You uneducated lot are like this because do not know any better, so we are going to force you to change to our way of doing things". If Japanese women really find their lot in life to be unbearable then they certainly are more than capable of forcing societal change. The last thing they need is a round table of western male knights coming to their rescue.

If 'white knighting' is all you managed to glean from this thread, I pity you. Cringeworthy.

Stating the obvious by broadening the topic and addressing inherent sexism as a male characteristic doesn't change a political and social structuring that's been grossly engineered to favour Japanese men - more so than would be tolerated in similar developed countries.

If Japanese women really find their lot in life to be unbearable then they certainly are more than capable of forcing societal change.

Go back to sleep. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Drum]

The western man, haughtily looking down on and spitting upon the barbarian outsiders and their inferior cultural habits since ancient Greece.

Sexism stems from inherent traits in simian males, it is part of the wonderful group of instincts that define social behaviour. One may bemoan it to one's heart's content, but it will always be part of the species wide standard set of programming.

As it usually is with instincts one can try to suppress it with reason or law, but as long as the underlying mechanism exists it will continue to manifest itself in some form or fashion. Western societies have merely shamed themselves into suppressing it better on a surface level. If I were to venture a guess as to why they have so far had more success in suppressing it at surface level than others it would have to come back to the old favourite, the christian background and its ancient shame strategy in all matters sexual.

I have never been a fan of the west's Greco-roman approach to the outside world in always falling back on, "You uneducated lot are like this because do not know any better, so we are going to force you to change to our way of doing things". If Japanese women really find their lot in life to be unbearable then they certainly are more than capable of forcing societal change. The last thing they need is a round table of western male knights coming to their rescue.

Hahaha. You are pretty dumb.

[HenAi]

It goes on.

I suddenly feel like moving to Japan.

[Casey120]

Probably already posted but I just saw this :

Minami Minegishi, popidol from the popular group AKB48 and in her twenties publicly apologises and shaves her head in shame because she actually had sex



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uEgy7t52yQ


Burn her !

[Marble]

Ahahahaha, that's actually hilarious.

[O. Van Bruce]

The western man, haughtily looking down on and spitting upon the barbarian outsiders and their inferior cultural habits since ancient Greece.

Sexism stems from inherent traits in simian males, it is part of the wonderful group of instincts that define social behaviour. One may bemoan it to one's heart's content, but it will always be part of the species wide standard set of programming.

As it usually is with instincts one can try to suppress it with reason or law, but as long as the underlying mechanism exists it will continue to manifest itself in some form or fashion. Western societies have merely shamed themselves into suppressing it better on a surface level. If I were to venture a guess as to why they have so far had more success in suppressing it at surface level than others it would have to come back to the old favourite, the christian background and its ancient shame strategy in all matters sexual.

I have never been a fan of the west's Greco-roman approach to the outside world in always falling back on, "You uneducated lot are like this because do not know any better, so we are going to force you to change to our way of doing things". If Japanese women really find their lot in life to be unbearable then they certainly are more than capable of forcing societal change. The last thing they need is a round table of western male knights coming to their rescue.

Your argument is invalidated in the same moment you talk with an anthropologist. It has been recognized that primitive societies were mostly matriarcal because women were on the top of the hunting-recollecting societies: they were more efficient on resource management and recollection. Besides, the mystique of those societies, who valued fertility more than anything, put women above men because they were the only ones that could bring a new live to the group. In a constant strive to survive, the more and younger members in the group assured the survival of the rest.

It was agriculture first and then war and conflict for resources which brought the rise of men as the dominant genre (when before it was slightly on the side of females). Men were stronger than women so they were more fit for the heavy work of dragging the plow (without an ox or any animal). The reasons why men were more fit in war are obvious.

[kamiboy]

If 'white knighting' is all you managed to glean from this thread, I pity you. Cringeworthy.

Stating the obvious by broadening the topic and addressing inherent sexism as a male characteristic doesn't change a political and social structuring that's been grossly engineered to favour Japanese men - more so than would be tolerated in similar developed countries.

A lot of finger waggling by outsiders looking in is what I gleaned from the thread and I never did have a taste for that. As I said, if natives find the way they've arranged their own society to be grossly engineered then they need to change it themselves, by their own power, at their own pace.

Or are you suggesting that somehow only Caucasian women had the ability to incite social change to their own benefit? Are we forgetting that all western nations were equally grossly arranged not that too terribly long ago?

Not all societies develop at the same pace, and not all cultures prioritize things the same as western ones do. That is entirely their business, but western method of thinking has always begged to differ on that particular point.

Waggling fingers is a thing western nations have always been very good at, but often they've been the ones needing a lot of fingers waggled back at them the most.

[Skykid]

If 'white knighting' is all you managed to glean from this thread, I pity you. Cringeworthy.

Stating the obvious by broadening the topic and addressing inherent sexism as a male characteristic doesn't change a political and social structuring that's been grossly engineered to favour Japanese men - more so than would be tolerated in similar developed countries.

A lot of finger waggling by outsiders looking in is what I gleaned from the thread and I never did have a taste for that. As I said, if natives find the way they've arranged their own society to be grossly engineered then they need to change it themselves, by their own power, at their own pace.

Or are you suggesting that somehow only Caucasian women had the ability to incite social change to their own benefit? Are we forgetting that all western nations were equally grossly arranged not that too terribly long ago?

Not all societies develop at the same pace, and not all cultures prioritize things the same as western ones do. That is entirely their business, but western method of thinking has always begged to differ on that particular point.

Waggling fingers is a thing western nations have always been very good at, but often they've been the ones needing a lot of fingers waggled back at them the most.

You sound like a dunce. Instead of opening your ass cheeks and letting rip every time you hit the reply button, why don't you re-read the comments made by people both foreign and domestic, and the article NTSC-J linked. Everything you're suggesting - aside from being kindergarten obvious and so vague you're in danger of pursuing an entirely different discussion - is completely erroneous because no-one has 'finger waggled' at any point in the thread.

[kamiboy]

Heh, sure thing kiddo, I think I'll stick to discussing hardware, more fun and productive anyway. You guys let me know when you've solved this Asian sexism issue. After that why don't you have a go at the North American foreign policy, that one is a doozy.

[O. Van Bruce]

A lot of finger waggling by outsiders looking in is what I gleaned from the thread and I never did have a taste for that. As I said, if natives find the way they've arranged their own society to be grossly engineered then they need to change it themselves, by their own power, at their own pace.

Or are you suggesting that somehow only Caucasian women had the ability to incite social change to their own benefit? Are we forgetting that all western nations were equally grossly arranged not that too terribly long ago?

Not all societies develop at the same pace, and not all cultures prioritize things the same as western ones do. That is entirely their business, but western method of thinking has always begged to differ on that particular point.

Waggling fingers is a thing western nations have always been very good at, but often they've been the ones needing a lot of fingers waggled back at them the most.

Cultural relativism is not a good choice.

We can argue using that same base that women in africa who get their clitoris cut off being kids is something that should be permited. In the same way, The circuncission practice is completely outdated and it doesn't exists a practical reason for continuing it (yeah, jews do it for a religious reasons but a lot of then reject the practice). Another Issue would be slavery, another issue would be girls being prohibited to go to school, Gun owning in the USA, rampant racism in some parts of Europe, Alcoholism in countries like Russia, the baltic countries or Finland... and a lot more things I could mention but I'm lazy to remember then.

All of this behaviours can be condoned with this statement:

"if natives find the way they've arranged their own society to be grossly engineered then they need to change it themselves, by their own power, at their own pace."

What happens if those societies don't consider those acts as a priority?

Finally, about the thing with westerners... I'l just say that we've being competing and challenging bettwen us for so much time that we have gone ahead of other cultures simply because of neccesity. You see, westerners have this annoying habit that when someone says A, then other comes out and says B, and then they start arguing about it, that's the founding of progress. That didn't happened in other cultures as frequently on the western.


Oh yeah:

Heh, sure thing kiddo, I think I'll stick to discussing hardware, more fun and productive anyway. You guys let me know when you've solved this Asian sexism issue. After that why don't you have a go at the North American foreign policy, that one is a doozy.

This is the worst kind of strategy you could use in a debate, because you are saying nothing about the theme in question.

[Hagane]

This is getting really dumb. For both sides of the argument.

[HenAi]

Gun owning in the USA

And this is the point where I say kindly fuck you. If you have this much insight into the reasons for American gun laws, your insights into Japanese culture are kinda likely to be similarly screwed.

[idchappy]

Probably already posted but I just saw this :

Minami Minegishi, popidol from the popular group AKB48 and in her twenties publicly apologises and shaves her head in shame because she actually had sex



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uEgy7t52yQ


Burn her !

That's pretty sad

[O. Van Bruce]

Gun owning in the USA

And this is the point where I say kindly fuck you. If you have this much insight into the reasons for American gun laws, your insights into Japanese culture are kinda likely to be similarly screwed.

Man, I thought you were a better person than just someone who despise others entirely just because of something they don't agree.

Anyway, PM's are there if you really want to say fuck you with some arguments backing it. Or go to the "Gun in America" thread... though we've already had a very long discussion there.

[Skykid]

That's pretty sad

It's downright awful.

[Edmond Dantes]

Heh, sure thing kiddo, I think I'll stick to discussing hardware, more fun and productive anyway.

I think I'll join you.

God, this is like a TV Tropes thread. So many people so willing to tell everyone else what they're doing wrong, that their cultures are inferior because they're not like White Man... and when someone points it out, White Man gets all insecure and defensive and pretends they're not doing that. And they resort to childish name-calling.

Seriously, I'm not sure about the sexism thing, but in a lot of ways White Man is inferior to the Japanese. After all, look at how quickly they got with the program when the modern world forced itself on them--so much so that they dominated it for decades. Their ability to give 120% to anything they choose to do, to be strongly motivated despite even the largest setbacks, is a thing to be admired.

I think a lot of the Japan-haters only know Anime and Manga. That's not Japan. Try reading books like The Hagakure, the Book of Five Rings, or any actual cultural or historical work. The thing Japan has over White Man, most of all, is that they're practical. I get so tired of Western "values" which are so wishy-washy and self-serving, and obviously can't be applied to anything at all. Meanwhile, Musashi's ideas about swordsmanship have a lot of application, both in context and out (of course they do--Musashi was in his fifties or sixties when he wrote that and had a long, turmultuous though ultimately successful carreer. This is the same reason Sun Tzu's Art of War (Chinese I know, but still) is so good and still applicable--Back then, you had to actually have credentials to write a book. Only someone who actually fought and suffered for decades, and came out triumphant more often than not, was qualified. Not like White Man's world where we have people like Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz and Kevin Trudeau claiming they're such great authorities for the sole reason that they got on TV, and people take them at face value).

*Sigh*

Okay, I'm done, thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

[Casey120]

I like how you don't want to stereotype Japanese but then shovel all white men of the world on a pile as one linear thinking entity

[Skykid]

Jesus.

It's really embarrassing now. The original topic of discussion doesn't even exist anymore. Plz lock and open new thread 'White man is inferior to Japanese.'

[Udderdude]

Or just lock it. Apparently we've been visted by every ridiculous stereotypical poster on the interbutts by now, including "White culture is inferior to Glorious Nippon" guy and "All women are shallow, superficial whores" guy.

[DragonInstall]

I wonder if that girl actually feels bad for breaking her oath to the group, or the fact that she might lose a very well paying career.

Anyway.... that is a very strange rule to have for a group.

[R79]

Ahahahaha, that's actually hilarious.

It's posts like this that render hardcore gaming a discrete, shameful addiction that you never really want to disclose to the outside world, especially women.