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Skykid wrote:That sounds like a challenge I can't refuse.
Well, it sounds like you already hate the game and want to hate it even more, you can't give it a fair judgement that way. With that mindset, I would ask you to not even bother.

But if you're really doing this, put your prejudices aside and give it an honest and unbiased attempt.
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Ruldra wrote: But if you're really doing this, put your prejudices aside and give it an honest and unbiased attempt.
I'll give it a shot and hope to be proven wrong. Box of kleenex at the ready (for the tears, the tears!)

EDIT: downloaded. Do not want to play this in-front of friends, family etc, so I'll need to wait until I have a little seclusion.
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Shoot me, but I really enjoyed Katawa Shoujo. Once you get past the initial veneer of schlock, I was really pleased to engage in a text which actually depicts people with disabilities as being fully rounded people who have sex. Very maturely handled. It's a shame it involves compartmentalisation based upon disability, but it reminded me of a gentler version of pornographic 'zines written by disabled people for disabled people. Only thing I found mildly offensive was how melodramatic it all is. But that's a convention of visual novels I guess.

Will be interested to see what you think of it Skykid!
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"People's opinions of rap music, opera and comic books" thread is needed badly.
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Skykid wrote:
Ruldra wrote: But if you're really doing this, put your prejudices aside and give it an honest and unbiased attempt.
I'll give it a shot and hope to be proven wrong. Box of kleenex at the ready (for the tears, the tears!)

EDIT: downloaded. Do not want to play this in-front of friends, family etc, so I'll need to wait until I have a little seclusion.
I look forward to your thoughts. And don't worry, there's nothing adult in the prologue. In fact the game usually makes it pretty obvious when things like that are about to happen, and it's not until you decide on a girl.
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MX7 wrote:Only thing I found mildly offensive was how melodramatic it all is. But that's a convention of visual novels I guess.
Yes, melodramatic is a good word. Overwritten too, I think -- needs judicious editing.
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Been 42 minutes ...How long is this prologue?
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Skykid wrote:Been 42 minutes ...How long is this prologue?
Depends on how slowly you read lol
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shmuppyLove wrote:
Skykid wrote:Been 42 minutes ...How long is this prologue?
Depends on how slowly you read lol
Real fast. Have I done it already?
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Skykid wrote:
shmuppyLove wrote:
Skykid wrote:Been 42 minutes ...How long is this prologue?
Depends on how slowly you read lol
Real fast. Have I done it already?
I consider the prologue over when he arrives at the school. Or prior to the hospital, really.
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...I'm going to bed. You guys have got it coming in the morning.
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Skykid wrote:...I'm going to bed. You guys have got it coming in the morning.
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Skykid wrote:...I'm going to bed. You guys have got it coming in the morning.
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Well, I've compiled some thoughts on this but... do you guys really want to hear what I think? You're all breaking out popcorn, but if I'm honest with you I'm afraid you'll all start breaking out heavy weaponry and forked tongues instead. It's a lazy Friday, not sure I can be bothered with going through the rigmaroll of having words not read properly, being repeatedly quoted out of context, and used in such a way that the same point needs to be reissued several times until it gains traction.

I'm standing by. You let me know.
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I'll enjoy reading 8)
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Well now at least I can say you asked for it.

I'll make this as constructive as possible, but those of a sensitive disposition - and I think that must be most of you - will probably find cause to be offended.

Various ages join the debacle as satellites, but it's the 90's generation that, amongst others, have driven some of most deplorable media fads of all time. Amongst others, Twilight, My Little Pony, and the weeaboo movement represent three giant facepalms for mankind. This can't rightly be called progression.

This visual novel is a fascinating low. It's not a game, it's a picture book. The writing is appalling: verbose melodrama overwritten in content and underwritten in depth, slapping you with cringeworthy uses of English every other line. The author's pervasive and irritating desire to be poetic and meaningful is insufferably obvious, resulting in a narrative that's immature, lightweight, and amateurish.


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Shoot me.

"...all the things that surrounded me would painfully crash into my consciousness, through the barrier of nonchalance I had set up for myself."

People want to play this intellectual sink-hole why?

The protagonist is young male number 0133423 suffering from Shinji Ikari syndrome, a hapless poster child for the pain of existence. He's a mope. A misanthropic, humourless, colourless entity who battles an innate negativity while trying to communicate with an entire cast of soulless female cardboard cutouts who have so-called disabilities. And you're him.

Musically it's about as exciting as yesterday's wallpaper. I've stood in more emotionally stirring elevators.
Equally, there's no character in any of the characters, they're carbon modern anime: no charm, no wit, no brains, all trope.
Their disabilities are superfluous, which is both the intention and the failing. The designs are the worst: I can't stand these waify cardboard constructs, poorly drawn, derivative doe-eyed nothings. If we have to repeatedly trudge through the Groundhog Day nightmare of Japanese high schools, can't they at least give these young women some semblance of humanity or wit?

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Schoolgirl A and Schoolgirl B. How the mighty have fallen. If you constantly need to fetishise the hell out of kids, at least do it with some kind of inimitability. What are these bland beings that are supposed to represent women?

It strikes me as strange that people haven't tired of Japanese school scenarios yet. Could anything be as mind-numbing as dealing with another bunch of pasty kids battling ineptness while performing stock anime idiosyncrasies like circus animals?
And don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting you to gather firewood, drink beer and smack women - but you're still guys. Gender stereotypes aside, you're putting time into the digital equivalent of a Mills & Boon novel... What are you doing?!

And I don't mean to be disparaging toward Mills & Boon; reading one of those is a far more economical way to spend your brain cells than clicking a mouse through this hackneyed tripe.

One glaring issue with the apparently humane nature of the content is that the starring group of attractive young students are segregated from the rest of society due to their physical slights, which include facial scarring, missing limbs and partial sight, amongst others. It's insulting that most of the characters are even in a 'special school': a prejudice in itself. Most of the characters would be perfectly able to join a regular school and interact with kids normally, as they do in real life, rather than being sent to a clinical home for alluring disabled teens to be courted by a misanthrope with a heart murmur before being sexually molested in a way that's sensitive to their ailments. And this is defended as being a realistic approach to disability, a view to seeing them as equals? In what sense? In that even disabled girls can be victims of sexist stereotyping within a trite anime dating sim?

Most people already view individuals with disabilities as equals, they don't need a horribly childish eroge visual novel full of unrealistically attractive women in school uniform to grasp the concept.

But then is anyone really counting anymore? It's a product of 4chan, it caters to the lowest common denominator, it has no worth whatsoever. Why even bother mentioning the erotic content when the rest of it is stupefyingly one-dimensional? Some tits and ass is surely the high point. It's neither a game nor a novel, it's a tent-post with colours on it. It has no reality or gravity, and your brain is on its knees pleading with you to reconsider what you do with your time.

That people spent five years to make it... Five years! For what? To build weeaboo simulation XX, another embryonic fantasy retreat to revel in insecurities and behaviours that reflect their own, where disability is used as a plastic stand-in for emotional resonance, in the stupidest possible format?

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What an asshole. :roll:

I suppose I was a fleeting Japanophile once, part of a late 80's movement - but I can't forgive Japan for what it's done today. The degenerative quality of the output and the culture it panders to and augments needs to be stamped out.

I shed tears alright. For those who consider such nonsense to have value. The more time I spend here the more the internet ether dissovles until I realise I'm standing screaming in the middle of a cosplay convention. I thought it was a hardcore gaming forum. I've been tricked.

This thing is not well made, it's not well-written, it's not well-illustrated, it's not worth another second of anyone's attention. I battled through an hour just to be able to give it fair dues, and that's all I'm going to give.
This stuff is for the birds, the weeaboos, the people who draw strength from fragility. That's not me, and it sure as shit shouldn't be you.

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I'm so looking forward to read you Umineko review (what I'm saying is, read that instead)
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Some points:

Yes, I absolutely have to agree about the style of anime today. It's no longer a stylization of reality, but a stylization of a stylization! I feel the same about western comics now... for example, compare David Mazzuchelli or John Romita Jr. to top-selling excrement like Joe Madureira, Greg Land, or the most overrated artist since Picasso, Jim Lee. But I digress.

I guess the cliché'd choice of setting was meant precisely to cram a twist into an overused trope. Think "Highschool of the Dead".

The protagonist has to be a "blank" for the reader to project himself into the role... well, at least that's the usual justification I hear. But then again, it makes sense: if you have lived a normal life and all of a sudden you find that you have a serious heart condition that could kill you at any second, going depressed and isolating yourself emotionally is a likely reaction, no?

And seriously, did you expect it to play like a real game? It's a goddamn visual novel. An electronic comic book + choose your own adventure novel.
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Good job, Skykid, I was laughing out loud through the whole post. I have no reason to argue back if you disagree so vehemently. If that's what you thought, fine, at least your opinion is not all baseless now.

One thing I can't disagree, though, is about Japan's fetish for high school scenarios. I will never understand why it is rehashed in nearly every work in nearly every genre, when it was already exhausted more than a decade ago. They should just move on.
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SkyKid, you sound like the type who enjoys more action in their elevator music. Thank you for the post, because not enough people like to speak the cold hard truth.

My opinion: the 'game' is another in the long line of modern 'games' that assume 'diversity' = depth.
You're better off playing SNATCHER! I at least care about those characters' melodramas and groove to cyber-jazz at the same time.
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EmperorIng wrote:You're better off playing SNATCHER! I at least care about those characters' melodramas and groove to cyber-jazz at the same time.
This. So much.

And generally speaking, if you want a piece of interactive entertainment with actual good writing and story, you could do so much better than Japanese visual novels.


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In particular (from my experience), the Kyle Hyde games (Hotel Dusk and Last Window) for the DS. Those are games for men. Like pulpy detective novels from the 60s.
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Skykid wrote:This visual novel is a fascinating low. It's not a game, it's a picture book.
Well yes. Look at the genre name. Visual. Novel. It's not a game, it's a visual. novel. Reading is hard.
Skykid wrote:The writing is appalling: verbose melodrama overwritten in content and underwritten in depth, slapping you with cringeworthy uses of English every other line. The author's pervasive and irritating desire to be poetic and meaningful is insufferably obvious, resulting in a narrative that's immature, lightweight, and amateurish.
Considering it's made by amateurs, I'm not surprised. Not going to debate this one as I've not played it, and you're almost certainly correct.
Skykid wrote:The protagonist is young male number 0133423 suffering from Shinji Ikari syndrome, a hapless poster child for the pain of existence. He's a mope. A misanthropic, humourless, colourless entity who battles an innate negativity while trying to communicate with an entire cast of soulless female cardboard cutouts who have so-called disabilities. And you're him.
That's how the majority of people who will play this generally feel and want to try to connect with. There's a reason the Shinji-type protagonist is so common.
Skykid wrote:It strikes me as strange that people haven't tired of Japanese school scenarios yet.
I think this was covered elsewhere, but the commonness of this scenario is thoroughly Japanese. After high school, there is no more freedom for the average Japanese. Go to work, go home to wife, raise kids, die at age 38 of a heart attack from stress.
Skykid wrote:It's neither a game nor a novel, it's a tent-post with colours on it. It has no reality or gravity, and your brain is on its knees pleading with you to reconsider what you do with your time.
Not all novels are well-written ;)
Skykid wrote:but I can't forgive Japan for what it's done today. The degenerative quality of the output and the culture it panders to and augments needs to be stamped out.
You seem to have some thing against the Japanese. Blame the otaku. They're the market for this new direction and style. They're the ones who keep buying it and making it the stable way to make money.
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Skykid wrote:but I can't forgive Japan for what it's done today. The degenerative quality of the output and the culture it panders to and augments needs to be stamped out.
You seem to have some thing against the Japanese. Blame the otaku. They're the market for this new direction and style. They're the ones who keep buying it and making it the stable way to make money.
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BAH GAWD KING, SKY BOY IS ON A RAMPAGE

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is....is every page like that?
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