Wot?"!? You didn't think I put that in purely for your edification alone?!I KNEW IT!
And I thought to have seen everything.
Ever notice how Japan gets much more awesome advertisements than the US?
nope.MrPopo wrote:Ever notice how Japan gets much more awesome advertisements than the US?
Plasmo wrote:Then you obviously didn't click on the link.
Who are these soft console-centric gamers that you're constantly berating? We get it, you think Pink Sweets is hard. But really, is anyone going to buy a J-360, import a Cave shmup, turn it on and be saddened/confused when it turns out to be difficult? Who buys games like this to focus on a Novice mode? Seems like pure arrogance from an arcade collector. I read much of the same stuff before Ketsui came out and that game was very manageable, even by my humble console-loving standards. I say bring the pain!Dave_K. wrote:I'd think a Novice mode, similar to what was done for Futari and Espgaluda II, would be a good idea, as it is pretty extreme for the console crowd.
It won't. Pink Sweets is proof once and for all that Yagawa isn't right in the head.dan76 wrote:I've only played a few credits of the pork, and was looking forward to giving Pink Sweets a try - until I read the strategy thread. Crikey... not sure about all that - seems pretty extreme, maybe it will click once I start playing.
Wow, you certainly read a lot into what I wrote!8 1/2 wrote:Who are these soft console-centric gamers that you're constantly berating? We get it, you think Pink Sweets is hard. But really, is anyone going to buy a J-360, import a Cave shmup, turn it on and be saddened/confused when it turns out to be difficult? Who buys games like this to focus on a Novice mode?Dave_K. wrote:I'd think a Novice mode, similar to what was done for Futari and Espgaluda II, would be a good idea, as it is pretty extreme for the console crowd.
I meant making the game more accessible to the wider audience of console gamers would be a good idea given what a bad rap this game has gotten even from veteran shmup players. Novice mode is meant to introduce new players to the game mechanics without making it a frustrating experience...how you interpret this as an insult is your own doing.Seriously, where is this hostility coming from? I own/play all these on console as well, specifically for the practice and extra modes!8 1/2 wrote: Seems like pure arrogance from an arcade collector.
I don't have a problem with novice being there. Personally I think it fails to prep anyone for the real experience or scoring in the normal modes due in part to the vast difference in the difficulty curve between the two modes. So if someone out there gains benefit from or likes the mode why not. I don't think the presence of novice mode automatically emasculates console gamers.8 1/2 wrote:Who are these soft console-centric gamers that you're constantly berating? We get it, you think Pink Sweets is hard. But really, is anyone going to buy a J-360, import a Cave shmup, turn it on and be saddened/confused when it turns out to be difficult? Who buys games like this to focus on a Novice mode? Seems like pure arrogance from an arcade collector. I read much of the same stuff before Ketsui came out and that game was very manageable, even by my humble console-loving standards. I say bring the pain!
All the accessibility arguments are kinda tiresome im yet to see any proof that they help anyone get into this genre other than giving people a false sense of achievement and still giving up on the harder stuff to just keep reverting to easier modes .Most people on this forum got into this genre without novice rubbish modes end of the day if someone's gonna stick with this there the kinda person who loves challenge and doesn't quit easily in the first place.Dave_K. wrote:Wow, you certainly read a lot into what I wrote!8 1/2 wrote:Who are these soft console-centric gamers that you're constantly berating? We get it, you think Pink Sweets is hard. But really, is anyone going to buy a J-360, import a Cave shmup, turn it on and be saddened/confused when it turns out to be difficult? Who buys games like this to focus on a Novice mode?Dave_K. wrote:I'd think a Novice mode, similar to what was done for Futari and Espgaluda II, would be a good idea, as it is pretty extreme for the console crowd.
Seriously, where is this hostility coming from? I own/play all these on console as well, specifically for the practice and extra modes!8 1/2 wrote: Seems like pure arrogance from an arcade collector.
In fairness, most people here probably also got into the genre before it became as insulated and dependent/focused upon the "hardcore" as it's been in recent years, and probably didn't devote themselves to the tougher shmup specimens before cutting their teeth on some less demanding ones.clp wrote:Most people on this forum got into this genre without novice rubbish modes end of the day if someone's gonna stick with this there the kinda person who loves challenge and doesn't quit easily in the first place.
That really is a great point. A lot of self-proclaimed "hardcore" modern console gamers would get their asses handed to 'em by shmup titles which I guess is part of the reason that some of these same players "don't get" shmup fans. I'll admit that the first shmup I ever really enjoyed as a young kid was Life Force on NES, and the reason why was because the 30 lives actually allowed me to see the whole game. I didn't even play these games in arcades because I didn't have the money to play for very longBulletMagnet wrote:In fairness, most people here probably also got into the genre before it became as insulated and dependent/focused upon the "hardcore" as it's been in recent years, and probably didn't devote themselves to the tougher shmup specimens before cutting their teeth on some less demanding ones.clp wrote:Most people on this forum got into this genre without novice rubbish modes end of the day if someone's gonna stick with this there the kinda person who loves challenge and doesn't quit easily in the first place.
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Matskat wrote:This neighborhood USED to be nice...until that family of emulators moved in across the street....
