Triggerzone's Top 25 Shooters of all time

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun May 10, 2009 8:55 pm

and ketsui

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun May 10, 2009 8:56 pm

Not yet, don't get so far ahead.

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:18 pm

jpj wrote:i guess i just don't see how popularity should be seen as a negative point

I don't see overrated as much of a negative term. It would only be negative if I was saying "how dare you like Ikaruga, it sucks." If a game is ranked #1, chances are it's overrated. It's a matter of fact, that's all there is to it. The thing to discuss is how something becomes ranked #1 in the first place. It's interesting because most of it has nothing to do with aspects of the game itself.

There are other words I don't use negatively at all, like "ignorant," but that's another topic.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:42 pm

sorry, i know semantics aren't the most exciting thing ever. but if 'overrated' is such a redundant term, why is it proclaimed so loudly, and people need to start threads about it? would that mean bad games aren't actually bad, they're all just underrated? if people were just calling something "highly rated" that would be one thing. but over rated seems to imply it has popularity beyond its merits (as herr schatten said).

neist · Post by **neist** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:54 pm

jpj wrote:sorry, i know semantics aren't the most exciting thing ever. but if 'overrated' is such a redundant term, why is it proclaimed so loudly, and people need to start threads about it? would that mean bad games aren't actually bad, they're all just underrated? if people were just calling something "highly rated" that would be one thing. but over rated seems to imply it has popularity beyond its merits (as herr schatten said).

It's all connotation and denotation. Really, all lists, such as the one we're constructing on this very board, are only the sum of what's most popular/favorite given the community of members that visit it. It all comes down to taste far too much to be entirely scientific.

Criticism in most entertainment media is really the same way. It's very difficult to separate what's actually bad and what isn't aesthetically pleasing, from a gameplay standpoint. A game that sells badly may only sell bad because there isn't many people out there that who find it's mechanics interesting. There's quite a few games that fall into this category. Bad games, on the other hand, would seem to be a game that's broken in some sense, to a point where the game doesn't function as smoothly as it should. Just because person A or B does not enjoy a game does not make it bad in any stretch.

In my perception of the word, overrated just means it's currently more popular than the other top 5 or so games on the list within whatever pool of people voted on them. Really, if any game gets onto an overall top 25 list, it's probably pretty decent, and arguably any game off the list could be someone's #1.

So I guess what I'm saying is that, yeah, while a game that's ranked #1 may certainly be amazing, #2 could equally be amazing. The only reason it's #1 is because, well, its more popular this year.

Once these top 25 lists hit the 15+ year of voting, it'll be really interesting to go back and see how tastes have changed over the years. It's a direct representation of the enthusiast community at a given time.

RGC · Post by **RGC** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:45 pm

neist wrote:Once these top 25 lists hit the 15+ year of voting, it'll be really interesting to go back and see how tastes have changed over the years. It's a direct representation of the enthusiast community at a given time.

Gynoug will still be in my top 25, polluting the outcome, even if I find it way too tedious to play.

Alec · Post by **Alec** » Sun May 10, 2009 11:21 pm

IKAR-AH-GAH NUMBUH 1NE BAYBEE!!!!

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun May 10, 2009 11:56 pm

hugo is NUMBAH WAN

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:30 am

Where's Bio Metal?

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:42 am

I said it before, and I'll say it again. You wanna talk overrated? GALAGA IS WAY OVERRATED. It's just so damn tedious. Same thing over and over. And unlike Space Invaders it takes forever to speed up. Maybe I got burned out on Galaga when I was 19, but there's just so much of the same screen over and over that I can take.

At least in Xevious the backgrounds and enemies change. Actually I still like Xevious. Same for 1942.

I'm not saying Galaga is a bad game. It's sort of fun for like 5 minutes. But if I had to choose between playing Galaga or going home, I'd go home. It just isn't worth the praise it gets. Defender seems more fun, although a lot harder. Better yet, just play Robotron, never really gets old.

Galaga isn't on Triggerzone's list, so I guess the list is okay.

powerfuran · Post by **powerfuran** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:13 am

jpj wrote:sorry, i know semantics aren't the most exciting thing ever. but if 'overrated' is such a redundant term, why is it proclaimed so loudly, and people need to start threads about it? would that mean bad games aren't actually bad, they're all just underrated? if people were just calling something "highly rated" that would be one thing. but over rated seems to imply it has popularity beyond its merits (as herr schatten said).

That's what I meant in the first place.

I still think that somehow the term overrated has become some kind of trick to say something it's bad, but without stating it directly, and giving the perception of a sense of objectiveness.

-"What do you think about "gameXYZ""?
-"It's overrated".

That means it doesn't deserve its merits. So it's not as good as perceived. But there's some distorted menaing to it now. Speaking of not deserving its merits, that would be true if n.1 in the chart were a game like I don't know, Daioh or something. But Ikaruga is a good game, not only good graphics. Saying that it's a memorizer, or that it doesn't need skills it's just a lie. Basically its biggest flaw is that few people started playing it not by developing their own patterns, instead the replays available became the main reference from everyone. Eventually most players played this game in the same way. That's what can make somebody think its gameplay is poor, or even non-existent at all. Or that stage 2 is brain-dead, gameplay-wise, lol.

Now I would like some indications about a game that would deserve the firts spot while not being overrated, seriously.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:27 am

doctorx0079 wrote:At least in Xevious the backgrounds and enemies change.

Space is underrated.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:34 pm

Rob wrote:
doctorx0079 wrote:At least in Xevious the backgrounds and enemies change.
Space is underrated.

Galaga doesn't really look like it's in space, it's just repeated twinkling pixels over black.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:28 pm

You should try Mad Planets if you haven't.

charlie chong · Post by **charlie chong** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:20 pm

i think the problem is too many people on these boards can't make up there own minds about stuff and go off what other people say..
sonic rs list for instance had no sign of ketsui then next week it was no 1

it's simple play the games choose which ones you enjoy/enjoyed the most.

i put nostalgia games in my list because i enjoy the memories of playing those games more than the memories of playing a newer better game if you git what i'm sayin

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:38 pm

charlie chong wrote:sonic rs list for instance had no sign of ketsui then next week it was no 1

Wow, you're right. Overrated to best ever in a week.