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Post by elvis »

Much suckage here.

If it wasn't bad enough, I went and had three kids and dropped my hours-per-month of gaming into the single digits (sometimes even measurable in minutes-per-month). So now the skill-void reaches an all time low.
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elvis wrote:Much suckage here.

If it wasn't bad enough, I went and had three kids and dropped my hours-per-month of gaming into the single digits (sometimes even measurable in minutes-per-month). So now the skill-void reaches an all time low.
Simple solution: divorce your wife (married?), dump the kids, move into a tiny apartment... and play shmups all day!
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captpain wrote:Simple solution: divorce your wife (married?), dump the kids, move into a tiny apartment... and play shmups all day!
Be sure to dedicate at least two rooms to cabs, consoles, loli posters, etc. so you can claim the Shmups Professional tax credit.
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jonny5 wrote:
captpain wrote:
Arvandor wrote:[very stubborn about not using bombs, and ended up wasting them on deaths. "Look, a nasty configuration of bullet wall... I can make it! I can make it! I canBOOM!...... damnit."
this is my biggest problem.....i hate bombing....i rather die than bomb usually...even when i should bomb.....

i dont suck...i just dont bomb :wink:

if i bombed occasionally i would get further.....but i would feel less manly for doing so :oops:
Yeah, I found that Touhou seems to have forced me to not bomb as my score would get totally screwed over.

And elvis, even better idea: teach your kinds the wonderfulness of shmups so you can practice and spend time together as a family.
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Zeroblade wrote:Yeah, I found that Touhou seems to have forced me to not bomb as my score would get totally screwed over.
Uhhh... what?

I know there are a couple points in Perfect Cherry Blossom where it's quite prudent to use a bomb to suck up all the points.

Mountain of Faith requires A LOT of bombing to score high, I believe.

I haven't played a lot of Touhou, but they don't seem too harsh on people burning off bombs. At least not all of the games are.
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Post by VorpalEdge »

Bombing in Touhou will almost certainly drop your score unless you know what you're doing. However, I think there are points in all of them (at least, all of the windows games) where bombing is beneficial. If I'm not mistaken, PCB uses it to time borders, EoSD/SubA to rack up graze, IN to change from human to phantom and vice-versa quickly, and MoF uses it to up the faith meter when you cancel billions of bullets rapidly (or at least I think it does; it's been ages since I watched a lunatic replay and I can't remember if it was nerfed in the final game or not).
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Even still... Bombing in a Touhou game =/= bombing in a Cave game as far as score impact is concerned =P
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Which is one reason I really like Espgaluda! Despite sucking at it. It actually lets me bomb.
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Yeah, ESPgaluda is freaking amazing =)
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Oh good lord yes. I'm not very good at all. I can't even ICC Musha Aleste! That took balls to admit. However, I did 1CC Thunder Force III...probably one of the easiest shmups in the history of mankind.

But other than that, i'm quite sure i'll never 1CC a game. Hell, i'm impressed if I can just beat the game in under 4 credits.

Oh well, I love them anyway.

s/m
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Yeah, I suck too, and it doesn't help that I haven't had the time to be disciplined about a particular game. I have cleared about four easy games. My goal, when I get the time, is to clear a game with moderate difficulty like Sengoku Ace or Shikigami no Shiro 2.
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"OH SHIT, I'M DODGING IT, ALMOST THERE...FUCK DAMNIT!"
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The worst is when you weave through a really sick nasty evil pattern of ultimate hatred, only to get killed by some random slow-moving straggler bullet you weren't paying attention to.

It's so infuriating it goes past swearing and stomping your feet straight to merely hanging your head and shaking it in shame.
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evil_ash_xero wrote:I can't even ICC Musha Aleste!
Try the GameGear version of Aleste then. Easiest game ever. If you can't 1cc that, then you know you've got problems.
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Arvandor wrote:The worst is when you weave through a really sick nasty evil pattern of ultimate hatred, only to get killed by some random slow-moving straggler bullet you weren't paying attention to.

It's so infuriating it goes past swearing and stomping your feet straight to merely hanging your head and shaking it in shame.
I mash the bomb button a few times before I respawn.
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Only game I've 1CC'd is Steel Empire on the Sega Genesis. I can get through Ikaruga pretty easily but by stage 4 I get my ass kicked. I'm leaps and bounds better than what I was a year ago though.
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themachinist wrote:I mash the bomb button a few times before I respawn.
I only do this when I SWEAR I hit the bomb button, but die anyways. Which is also frustrating =P
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unknown blog commenter wrote:Falling in love with screwing up, failing, etc., is one of the greatest things you can do for yourself. And you WILL fall in love with it if you can just force yourself to stick with it a year or two and experience the amazing progress you'll make.
And yeah, I suck. More than you.
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I would be better at the shoot 'em ups I try to beat if I played more often in the morning with a few cups of coffee. Too often I sit down on a Sunday evening, after I've had a beer or two. Does. Not. Work.

The corneal haze I developed last August couldn't have helped, either. :(
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Gradius V and a cup of coffee or tea does the trick for me. :D

Well, I have about 60 some hours clocked into Gradius V. I think I 1cc'd somewhere around the 30-40 hour mark. Now I'm able to get to 2-7. I don't think I suck at shmups, in fact I think I have a good amount of potential as a shmup player. The practice mode in that game is a godsend for progression, trust me.

I gotta give props to people who just do naked runs (no credit feeding, no stage select) untill they beat a game. That's the arcade experience. No doubt, these things take time.

I really do enjoy the notion that unknown blog commentator said:

"Falling in love with screwing up, failing, etc., is one of the greatest things you can do for yourself. And you WILL fall in love with it if you can just force yourself to stick with it a year or two and experience the amazing progress you'll make."

That's beautiful and I can actually draw inspiration from that to devote a little more time in shmups that I like. It's funny when you compare the time spent in RPGs to shmups... ha, it's good to remember that difference when the time spent otherwise with a shmup can show personal strength of skill so much better. I'm tired, sorry if that sentence sucked.
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henry dark wrote:yup
But I DO have the highest score in Ikaruga on my 360 friends list!


Also, I think three friends have Ikaruga. :(
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Yes i suck at most shmups and I own alot of them. I can only 1cc the easy ones like psyvariar 1 and 2 and steel dragon, also biohazard battle. All the others i play usually involve me getting to the last level like Raiden 3 and espgaluda then screwing up very bad
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Arvandor wrote:
themachinist wrote:I mash the bomb button a few times before I respawn.
I only do this when I SWEAR I hit the bomb button, but die anyways. Which is also frustrating =P
This has been happening a lot with me recently. I think I need to get some JP buttons... I've still got Happ buttons in my controller.
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I've done similar things when I mess up the ABC selection in Garegga. Unfortunately, that results in wasting a bomb right at the start of the stage :oops:
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Gradius III is reminding me all over again how bad I am at shmups.

Oh, and Gynoug. Fuck that game.
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croikle wrote:I've done similar things when I mess up the ABC selection in Garegga. Unfortunately, that results in wasting a bomb right at the start of the stage :oops:
When playing on the Saturn at home, I just use the time-out selection method. While playing on MAME, I have a special button bound to A+B+C JUST for Garegga ^_^
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SFKhoa wrote:"OH SHIT, I'M DODGING IT, ALMOST THERE...FUCK DAMNIT!"
get out of this thread you godly bastard....you have no place in this thread.....

anybody who has 1cc'd mushi maniac and made it to progear 2-4 most certainly is the opposite of suck
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Arvandor wrote: While playing on MAME, I have a special button bound to A+B+C JUST for Garegga ^_^
Yeah, I quickly got around to doing this myself after messing up a few too many times.

More on topic, I tend to focus too much on scoring techniques, and not enough on dodging bullets. Thus, I probably get lower scores than I would if I played simply for survival. I can't help it, though, I'll just have to get better.
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croikle wrote: More on topic, I tend to focus too much on scoring techniques, and not enough on dodging bullets. Thus, I probably get lower scores than I would if I played simply for survival. I can't help it, though, I'll just have to get better.
I do the same thing, it's horrible. Like in Raiden Fighters Jet, I'll get my little medal that follows me around to collect all the other medals, but in the process kill myself a couple of times. I'd score higher if I just collected it prematurely.
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I think I suck at shmups, I wouldn't say I suck as much as I did when I had a renaissance with this genre, as for a while there I was more about fighters, brawlers, and some platformers. However I was raised on shmups on the good old NES with Gradius, Contra, Life Force, and what have you, but the thing is that I used to do the code and try nto to continue.

There was this time that my little brother and I used to play Konami games so much that when SuperC came out we try the code and it didn't work so, we loved the game so damn much that we actually beat it with whatever was given which I believe where 3 continues. I was psyched 'cause although I've beaten the usual suspects before (Metroid, Mario, Megaman 2, and all that stuff) Nothing really compared to the hardship that was beating that game.

After some time I played the bejesus of Gunsmoke for the NES and I used to do a couple of loops around the first stage to gather enough money to buy me a smart bomb and other things and use auto fire, so eventually I beat that game without continues. What really astonished me almost a decade later is that I looped the damn game for 5 times!!! I was actually so bored/tired that I turn it off. Granted and needless to say the PCB is a million times harder, so I didn;t think of it as a fantastic achievment.

That's when it hit me! I must be average at this by now man! I gotta get back into this, so I started with those games I usedto look at the arcade when I was a little kid and be pretty much terrified of them, 'cause I just never lasted much in any of them, so I grabbed Raiden, and man to his day I suck at it, but I have so damn much fun with it!

On and on I started getting into more shmups and now I'm actually real happy cause I just completed my Seibu Raiden Series PCB's and I just couldn't be happier. I started really liking shmups a lot in stage 4 I believe in Life Force, this was a vert stage and there was this 2 rows of rocks and when the trail ended I was received by a good size formation of popcorn ships and they all fired simlutaneously, so right there is when it happened; everything slowed down! It was like a trance, I was dodging all the bullets 'cause of this slowdown and I was a kid back then, so I knew pretty much squat about why something like that would ever happen on the screen, so I used to believe that I was so awsome that the computer just couldn't keep up with me and was throwing everything it got at my ass. From then on I used to call this thing "El arte del esquive" which means in english; The Art of Dodging, now mind you I was like 10 or something like that.

I didn't feel this way again about a game until I played Viper Phase 1, I don't think that is a matter of loving a game more because of it, but it was that same rush, that same tenacity and rewarding experience of playing the game and truly having this love/hate reletionship with the CPU.

I abide by the no continue rule to no end now, I started not long ago, perhpas 3 or 4 years now. Somewhere along the net I read something quite profound about the "No continue rule" and it was kind of weird 'cause in a way I was on my way to eventually play that way, 'cause something inside of me was missing when I was playing this games, so I was looking for that something, but it was morelike this piece of read found me and pretty much solved that missing link to the next level of playing.

Now thanks to shmups I play all my games that way and I have learned to apprecciate them so much more because of this, so thanks to that person for the inspiration, I honestly can't recall where was this.

As you all know, this is not all that completes the experinece though, you gotta go for that moment when you figure out the system, that to me is pretty rewarding, when you're actually not only doing well, but also ranking up points and beating the CPU at every turn, I really like that and perhpas that's what's holding me back sometimes, I hardly play for survival alone, I play for everything!

I think my problem is trying to play shmups like a profficcient player would, but I wouldn't take it any other way. Eventually I'll catch up, I just broke my 3mil in Donpachi, getting close to 2 mil in Viper Phase and my highest score in Galaga is 222k or soemthing like it and I'm still fighting.
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