Gonna check out the upcoming Saw V film?

[PC Engine Fan X!]

I'm intrigued, why do you roll eyes at the idea that Manhunt 2 is art? Personally I have no interest in the game but I don't see why people shouldn't be able to make their own minds up. I'm not picking, I'm genuinely interested in your responses

I think people forget that there is also an off button or a way to end any media.

I find your comment about visual works interesting. Books are generally far more effective for me. I've been genuinely disturbed by many novels but I find most ultra violence and sex in visual formats to be titilation.

For modern day horror films, the usual T&A goes hand-in-hand with gore, violence and whatnot...that is a given. You could say that Henry Miller's literary works were nothing more than literary porn -- hence why some of his books were banned in the first place. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[sjewkestheloon]

Sorry what's T&A?

[moonblood]

Tits & ass

[sjewkestheloon]

Ah indeed

It wouldn't be a good horror film without a bit of tit, lost innocene and then mindless massacre he he

[Acid King]

Edit: I'd love someone to give me a run down of what is 'obscene'. I find the concept amusing. An action can be obscene, but can an expression with no direct harm be obscene? I would love to see some evidence of the consequences of exposure to obscenity.

Legal obscenity is pretty nebulous, atleast here in the states. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys don't have any kind of guarantee of speech in the UK. In the US, the only unprotected speech is "fighting words" and obscenity. But they define obscenity in a strange way. For something to be considered obscene it has to appeal "prurient" interests, lacks literary, political or scientific value and that it depicts sex in an offensive way. They use an idea of "community standards" in applying those conditions. But the internet has rendered community standards useless, since anyone in any community can access material from around the world.

Personally, I think the whole concept of obscenity is bullshit. Truly harmful speech/expression ("fire" in a theatre, child porn) doesn't require a definition of obscenity since their threat is immediate or the production of the material is a crime.

[Jockel]

try Ken Park.

I watched crap neck, and well somehow it did not really amaze me.
But that might be because we were all a bit drunk and watched
"Seul contre tous" // "I Stand Alone" // "Menschenfeind" beforehand.
Great social and gore porn, by the way.

[MX7]

I love Seul Contre Tous! Such a dangerous film: never before has such a detestable character been given such a voice in cinema! Phillipe Nahon's butcher pisses on Travis Bickle from a great height I say. The ending of this film is probably the most intense of any film ever made.

[Jockel]

i think the same.
it's incredibly... realistic.
cause psychos arent always fucked up teenagers.
then again you can somehow understand his point of view, which is a very uncomfortable thought.