Why do some Video Game fans become Power Mongers?

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:18 am

depends on the language

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:21 am

EOJ wrote:
jpj wrote:i don't want us to go round in a circle again, but i don't think it's necessary to be able to execute a good score on a game to review it, just need a solid break-down of the scoring systems.

Yes, but if you have the choice between a guy who is good at the game, and another guy who sucks, whose review are you going to trust? Which review will actually mean something substantial? Would you rather read a review of a new snowboard by a kid who keeps tumbling down the beginner's hill, or one by a seasoned pro who regularly competes? That's sorta what I'm getting at.

Personally I don't feel comfortable reviewing a game until I have thoroughly played it, get a decent score, and know the game inside and out. This takes a number of months.

that's true, but you will almost always be reading a positive (maybe glowing) review. the best answer is to just read as many reviews as you can, than sort the wheat from the chaff

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:25 am

jpj wrote: that's true, but you will almost always be reading a positive (maybe glowing) review.

Right, as most good players won't waste a lot of time on a crappy game, and won't be too eager to spend time writing a detailed review on it.

In this instance you might rely (to some degree) on the long-term absence of a review by a good player to be indicative of the game's subpar quality.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:55 am

PaCrappa wrote:
jpj wrote:well, obviously there are certain things you aren't going to find out by watching a gameplay vid (i do the same thing as you, btw), such as different modes, options, unlockables, etc.
The manual that comes with the game isn't going to tell me this?

Genesis' Raiden, anyone?

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:10 pm

Raiden for Genesis? LOL. I'm not sure what to make of your comment. Did it not come with a manual? If that is the case would a manual be needed? It's Raiden. Lastly, why in the heck would anybody play Raiden on the Genesis? Srsly.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:13 pm

Tempest wrote:I can sense this will end well, with a well thought out, rational series of discourses by all parties involved.

1.) People like drama (You're in this thread, aren't you?)
2.) People like feeling important.
3.) Being polite is boring. You fags.

Brilliant. Yes, I know it was first page.
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I think the aforementioned people are bored as hell and enjoy ruining the internet because they can do it half-asleep.

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:06 pm

PaCrappa wrote:Raiden for Genesis? LOL. I'm not sure what to make of your comment. Did it not come with a manual? If that is the case would a manual be needed? It's Raiden. Lastly, why in the heck would anybody play Raiden on the Genesis? Srsly.

I still play it from time to time, even with the PS1 'Project' on hand. It's not a bad port considering the system and the cart size if you ask me. If it had been 16Mb instead of 8Mb, it would have better. But, they still crammed a lot of the original game into that cart, plus a bonus level, and it still plays very much like the arcade game. Turned out a lot better than the SNES abortion IMO.

As for the thread topic, I think some people just forget that video games are a very opinion based hobby when it comes to what's seen as good and bad by people. You can take the most bug-riddled, gameplay-busted cart imaginable, and you'll find someone who's a fan of it despite all its flaws... someone who still manages to have fun with it. Opposing that, you can take the most well coded and designed game, and you'll have people who find it to be complete shit. Unless there's a game ruining bug that makes the game damn near impossible to finish without cheating (like R-Type III on the GBA, thanks to its piss poor hit detection), chances are it'll tickle someone's fancy. This factoid gets lost sometimes.

I've run across people who liked Superman on the N64, Total Recall for the NES, and Mortal Kombat Advance for the GBA. Hell, even Killer Instinct on the GB had some people enjoying it. It all boils down to how much a person is willing to overlook, and how much someone else is willing to bash them over the head about it. God knows I've taken plenty of shit for enjoying games like Wild Metal on the DC, or Spellcaster on the Master System. And for all the "U LIEK SHITY GAMEZ LOL!" and "UR TAIST SUX!" comments I've gotten over the years, it's never meant a goddamned thing to me, or made me rethink my stance on a game. I figure if someone just has to go off about how wrong I am, they can do so until their fingers bleed. Won't mean a thing a me before or after they're done.

To make a long story short (too late), people like what they like, and no amount of dissection or multi-page diatribe is going to change it. Some folks simply don't realize or accept that, and it's their "IMO" that somehow transforms into "I'm right, you're wrong".

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:40 pm

The Coop wrote:
PaCrappa wrote:Raiden for Genesis? LOL. I'm not sure what to make of your comment. Did it not come with a manual? If that is the case would a manual be needed? It's Raiden. Lastly, why in the heck would anybody play Raiden on the Genesis? Srsly.
I still play it from time to time, even with the PS1 'Project' on hand. It's not a bad port considering the system and the cart size if you ask me. If it had been 16Mb instead of 8Mb, it would have better. But, they still crammed a lot of the original game into that cart, plus a bonus level, and it still plays very much like the arcade game. Turned out a lot better than the SNES abortion IMO.

As for the thread topic, I think some people just forget that video games are a very opinion based hobby when it comes to what's seen as good and bad by people. You can take the most bug-riddled, gameplay-busted cart imaginable, and you'll find someone who's a fan of it despite all its flaws... someone who still manages to have fun with it. Opposing that, you can take the most well coded and designed game, and you'll have people who find it to be complete shit. Unless there's a game ruining bug that makes the game damn near impossible to finish without cheating (like R-Type III on the GBA, thanks to its piss poor hit detection), chances are it'll tickle someone's fancy. This factoid gets lost sometimes.

I've run across people who liked Superman on the N64, Total Recall for the NES, and Mortal Kombat Advance for the GBA. Hell, even Killer Instinct on the GB had some people enjoying it. It all boils down to how much a person is willing to overlook, and how much someone else is willing to bash them over the head about it. God knows I've taken plenty of shit for enjoying games like Wild Metal on the DC, or Spellcaster on the Master System. And for all the "U LIEK SHITY GAMEZ LOL!" and "UR TAIST SUX!" comments I've gotten over the years, it's never meant a goddamned thing to me, or made me rethink my stance on a game. I figure if someone just has to go off about how wrong I am, they can do so until their fingers bleed. Won't mean a thing a me before or after they're done.

To make a long story short (too late), people like what they like, and no amount of dissection or multi-page diatribe is going to change it. Some folks simply don't realize or accept that, and it's their "IMO" that somehow transforms into "I'm right, you're wrong".

Good post…

Raiden on the Genesis is a good Raiden. I play this one as well between the Turbo version and the PlayStation version.

And the rest of The Coop's post hold true. I like many of the game mentioned (Spellcaster, Total Recall). People are too often slander and ridicule people on internet forums… It is get real bad with high brow attitude here. These highbrow people are look down on people who do not share their taste, visions, and opinion on anything and are attack to those who oppose them. People here are come from around the world and are grow up in different culture and are bring up different than the next person. With understanding, people can learn, accept and apprecitate other fellows feelings and views. Know that everyone is have different feelings on many things and accept and understand that, rather than try to change them with a hand of force. No one like to have thing like a political party or a religion shoved upon them…

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:59 pm

I've run across people who liked Superman on the N64, Total Recall for the NES, and Mortal Kombat Advance for the GBA. Hell, even Killer Instinct on the GB had some people enjoying it.

Are you implying KI on GB is worse than any of those three? Fighters on the GB are horrible, but Superman 64?!

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:31 pm

szycag wrote:
I've run across people who liked Superman on the N64, Total Recall for the NES, and Mortal Kombat Advance for the GBA. Hell, even Killer Instinct on the GB had some people enjoying it.
Are you implying KI on GB is worse than any of those three? Fighters on the GB are horrible, but Superman 64?!

Ha ha. But yeah, I personally found that little GB game to be horrid. Not because of the system it's on and its genre (I liked GB's KoF 95), but because I thought it was a very poorly executed port, and they trimmed an already small roster. We know that the GB have done a decent port, but compared to the actual end result, making Superman fly clumsily through hoops was more entertaining to me.. even if it was just for the comedic aspects of it

Guess that goes back to what I was saying in my previous post. I thought KI on the GB was less fun than those other games I listed, but if you go to Gamefaqs, you'll see two rather glowing reviews of that little GB cart. The video game world's funky like that

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:30 am

Twiddle wrote:I read that as "Power Rangers" at first

GO GO Power Mongers! Those ranting gamer Power Mongers!

Post by **Shatterhand** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:45 am

(I liked GB's KoF 95)

It's a brilliant game. KoF 96 is even better ,though Athena is dumbly overpowered.

And Spellcaster wasn't half bad either.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:08 am

EOJ wrote:
jpj wrote: that's true, but you will almost always be reading a positive (maybe glowing) review.
Right, as most good players won't waste a lot of time on a crappy game, and won't be too eager to spend time writing a detailed review on it.

No, because a pro would have invested a lot of time into a game, and as such will be biased. These people are great for writing a strategy guide, not a review. Another biasing factor is if they have spent a lot of money buying the PCB at launch or a full kit. These people are always going to justify their purchases, at least until they sell it., and then diss it afterwards. I seem to remember you being this way on several cave games, and not surprisingly liking it again upon repurchase.

EOJ wrote: In this instance you might rely (to some degree) on the long-term absence of a review by a good player to be indicative of the game's subpar quality.

Yeah, like Ketsui maybe?

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:33 am

No, because a pro would have invested a lot of time into a game, and as such will be biased.

I don't like Cyborg Justice.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:42 am

Dave_K. wrote:
No, because a pro would have invested a lot of time into a game, and as such will be biased.

This doesn't make any sense. According to your logic, the only way an unbiased positive review by a pro can be had is if the pro doesn't invest a lot of time into a game!

Yes, we all want to read THOSE reviews.

PS: no trolling please.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:57 am

Who is trolling? I kick nose at Cyborg Justice, and I also hate it. I took the extra time just to be a better critic, not one more biased towards the game.

PS: All reviews are biased by nature because opinion is bias mister language guy.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:22 am

PS: All reviews are biased by nature because opinion is bias mister language guy.

If opinion were bias, they would be synonyms. They are not. You could say "all opinions are biased", but since that statement is not provable it would just be your opinion, and thus according to you inherently biased.

You weren't who I was referring to about trolling, btw.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:30 am

My whole point in the shit infested thread was that anyone could question icycalm's grasp of some of the games he reviewed (arcade games, specifically) just as he had done to the reviewer of the IGN Ikaruga review in question. His ESPGaluda II review even states that I explained a lot of the game to him. When I pointed out why one could draw this conclusion, of course, he went into a lithium-deficient rage and started bringing up points, not directly related to what I said.

As for why people are on their high horse... who knows. I've met a lot of people in this forum, and I think most can agree that I'm laid back to the point that I just don't care. I get far more chuckles out of a sarcastic comeback (even if it is a cheap shot) than I would for lambasting someone for what I consider a poorly opinionated point of view. Sure, I stick to my guns on my beliefs (game and non-game related alike) but I don't call people names for not agreeing with me (you jackasses). I also don't insult people indirectly, like telling them they're stupid for not understanding.

As for the teaching... well, everyone has to start somewhere. Some teachers are just not good at not making the pupils look like idiots.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:39 am

EOJ wrote:If opinion were bias, they would be synonyms. They are not. You could say "all opinions are biased", but since that statement is not provable it would just be your opinion, and thus according to you inherently biased.

You weren't who I was referring to about trolling, btw.

What are you a grammarian?

They do appear to be synonyms when defined as an outlook but whatever. I don't see how you couldn't prove opinion is biased it shouldn't be much harder than proving a cat is a cat.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:04 am

PaCrappa wrote:Raiden for Genesis? LOL. I'm not sure what to make of your comment. Did it not come with a manual? If that is the case would a manual be needed? It's Raiden. Lastly, why in the heck would anybody play Raiden on the Genesis? Srsly.

The manual was in Engrish, and hard to decypher, IIRC. Just posted that since you asked if the manual wouldn't teach you some aspects of the game. In the case of Genny Raiden, I doubt it did.

nem · Post by **nem** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:45 am

DEL wrote:One basic difference between the Powermongers icycalm and Recap and the level headed guys is the simple fact that they are not players, they don't post scores. Prove me wrong by all means , but this is the one thing that strikes me.

This part is made much more awesome by the fact that icyclam bans people from his forum that do not play for score.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:58 am

Not quite. He was banned for being a credit-raping retard in it for the animu who pretends to know something about HARDCORE classic gaming.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:02 am

sounds like one of them touhou zombies

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:04 am

Hardcore Gaming 101: Not Enough Character Bios

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:06 am

Ok nem, I did say "by all means prove me wrong". There are two quotes I can pick up from that link.
One is icynotsocalm's;

Whether you hang around Shmups or SRK is irrelevant, but if you do not "attempt" 1CCs then you have no business reviewing any electronic game which started its life in the arcades.

Which does go some way to proving your point, at least in intention, but still his own lack of score posting says otherwise...

The other quote from that thread is from the user he banned discoalucard;

That's also why you wouldn't catch me writing reviews for enthusiast shooter or fighter websites, because hey, I know my place.

Who accounts for himself quite well.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:13 am

You know the name of his website don't you? If he knew his place he'd be sticking to the JRPGs and not reviewing a game he doesn't at least understand (regardless of his ability to use that knowledge in a personal run,) let alone the fundamentals of arcade game design.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:17 am

bullets all over the place impossible to dodge just continue and you beat the game

Andi · Post by **Andi** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:39 pm

God damn it! I wanted to come into this thread a make a joke about Power Monger!

(Great game though.)

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:44 pm

EOJ wrote:This doesn't make any sense. According to your logic, the only way an unbiased positive review by a pro can be had is if the pro doesn't invest a lot of time into a game! :lol: Yes, we all want to read THOSE reviews.

They're called "first impressions," actually, and they do have their use.

Mainly in determining whether a game has the flash to move units / take in credits.

JoshF wrote:Not quite. He was banned for being a credit-raping retard in it for the animu who pretends to know something about HARDCORE classic gaming.

Icycalm wrote:Kurt, in this forum, people who say "I don't entirely agree" with two gigantic essays that took someone days to write and years to research without explaining in detail their reasons -- get immediately IP banned with no appeal.

Icy does make good points through the rest of his response, however.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:50 pm

Icycalm wrote:Kurt, in this forum, people who say "I don't entirely agree" with two gigantic essays that took someone days to write and years to research without explaining in detail their reasons -- get immediately IP banned with no appeal.

I can suddenly imagine him sitting bare chested in a dimly lit room, smearing pigs blood on his face and praying for the death of mankind.

The guy's a fucking psycho.

The fact he's a videogame nerd having an argument with another videogame nerd makes it even more scary.

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