Prelude to the Apocalypse

[BryanM]

trying to fuck up one of our most precious American institutions?

That's a treasure of humanity he's trying to take away.

American institutions involve having wealthy capitalists rule us like kings to maximize the amount and value of capital they hold. Which is exactly what they're doing right here.

It's as American as starving a Yemeni kid to death is.

[gameoverDude]

Don't care for Chairman Pai's plan. Not one damned bit.
At least if things go to hell on the 12/14 vote, that won't necessarily be the end of Net Neutrality- the issue most certainly would then go to Congress & the courts.

Trump needs to tone his rhetoric down- as always, it's been too fiery & offensive. Does he even have a friendly/kind side? Doubt it. I think he dislikes anyone who disagrees with him, even on trivial matters. He needs to quit with the Pocahontas slur. And of course, to stop taunting Kim Jong-un.

Given that the President is Commander in Chief, I think UCMJ Article 133 (re: conduct unbecoming an officer & a gentleman) should apply. Too bad it isn't so. The President isn't on the list of those subject to the UCMJ.

[Rob]

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[Obscura]

Don't care for Chairman Pai's plan. Not one damned bit.
At least if things go to hell on the 12/14 vote, that won't necessarily be the end of Net Neutrality- the issue most certainly would then go to Congress & the courts.

Trump needs to tone his rhetoric down- as always, it's been too fiery & offensive. Does he even have a friendly/kind side? Doubt it. I think he dislikes anyone who disagrees with him, even on trivial matters. He needs to quit with the Pocahontas slur. And of course, to stop taunting Kim Jong-un.

Given that the President is Commander in Chief, I think UCMJ Article 133 (re: conduct unbecoming an officer & a gentleman) should apply. Too bad it isn't so. The President isn't on the list of those subject to the UCMJ.

Here's your reminder that Ajit Pai was appointed by Obama. Stop pretending that this is a partisan thing -- it isn't.

[Rob]

I will never understand this dumbass strategy they've adopted where they intend to defeat white supremacy by making it look like white supremacists might actually have a point.

White supremacy is a leftist and leftist media boogieman. It is a non-entity in the real world while anti-white material is in the mainstream (Can My Children Be Friends With White People?). Wanting to maintain a majority population in your own country is what counts as white supremacy to a leftist who has been brainwashed by a lifetime of leftist media and leftist education.



Not wanting this is "white supremacy".



Wondering where this ends is "white supremacy".

[BIL]

Hey alt-righters,

What do you make of this foreign, non-European immigrant trying to fuck up one of our most precious American institutions?

I'm not alt-right or American or even HWHITE, but if you would still like my 2pence, I hope someone caves his shit-eating mug in with a shovel and sets fire to his corpse. Repeat process on as many individuals as required.

[jepjepjep]

Haha, BIL, you are spot on as always!

My question was really just poking fun at Rob and his white nationalist brethren. I had a little too much whiskey tonight, .

[BIL]

I'm running on 25 minutes' sleep myself, had to go back and edit for flow ("grin in" kinda clangs! "mug in" sounds better )

[Zen]

You're not posting stuff like this to get folks to "acknowledge the complexity" of the situation: you're doing it to throw ever-thicker clouds of gorilla dust in the air as your ever-knottier and more contradictory positions (and/or "positions") on issue after issue become ever more indefensible.

Your constant repetition of such subjective non-sense (perhaps in the hope that some of it might "stick", in some way) is always a welcome comic relief. Of all the people to try this amateur demoralisation tactic with though, you're trying it with Rob?! Really?

I will never understand this dumbass strategy they've adopted where they intend to defeat white supremacy by making it look like white supremacists might actually have a point.

I mean, what the fuck. They just keep one-upping each other at this.

It almost seems like it is intentionally designed to whip up the fury of Strawmen like "the alt-right" and "white supremacists", while at the same time embolden (another special word, apparently) the equally manufactured and controlled " far left" groups.
A nice closed ecosystem of circle-jerk safety.

The point is to concentrate your attention on beta bitch boys like these;



so as you pay no heed to the 70,000 Jan Sobieskis saying, "come and get it";



In the U.S of course, the big demonstrations are by another type of "resident";


This, from the Los Angeles Times, is perhaps worth quoting;
" As the Chicago Tribune reported, "Urgent chants of 'Si, se puede,' or 'Yes, you can,' echoed off the walls of downtown skyscrapers" as the largely Latino crowd formed one of the largest demonstrations for immigrant rights in United States history."
" Motivated by the prospect of the U.S. Senate passing the so-called Sensenbrenner bill — which, among other provisions, would have criminalized assistance to immigrants in the country illegally who were seeking food, housing or medical services — demonstrations cropped up in more than 140 cities in 39 states. Some of the largest events took place in Southern California, culminating in a May 1, 2006, "Day Without Immigrants," when more than 500,000 rallied in Los Angeles to demand a pathway to citizenship."
Jesus wept.
(Also; you may remember the recent victory speech by "transgender woman" Danica Roem, on his being elected to the Virginia legislature;
"The crowd chanted “Danica! Danica!” She raised her fist and shouted “Sí, se puede!”".)
Wonderful, wonderful



But make no mistake, its all a game in the end and we have been here many times before. The only question is; how badly are you going to get played and what are you going to do about it?

I will never understand this dumbass strategy they've adopted where they intend to defeat white supremacy by making it look like white supremacists might actually have a point.

White supremacy is a leftist and leftist media boogieman. It is a non-entity in the real world while anti-white material is in the mainstream (Can My Children Be Friends With White People?). Wanting to maintain a majority population in your own country is what counts as white supremacy to a leftist who has been brainwashed by a lifetime of leftist media and leftist education.



Not wanting this is "white supremacy".



Wondering where this ends is "white supremacy".

Hold tough, Rob. BulletMagnet will be by momentarily to inform you, as he has me, that; "the "advocation of genocide" is a pants-wetting fever dream of your own making."

[BIL]

I will never understand this dumbass strategy they've adopted where they intend to defeat white supremacy by making it look like white supremacists might actually have a point.

I mean, what the fuck. They just keep one-upping each other at this.

It almost seems like it is intentionally designed to whip up the fury of Strawmen like "the alt-right" and "white supremacists", while at the same time embolden (another special word, apparently) the equally manufactured and controlled " far left" groups.
A nice closed ecosystem of circle-jerk safety.

That's how I rationalise the nuttier shit flying around tbh. -_- "KILL WHITE BABEHS" has gotten downright passe. As passe as diabetic aspirant sturmtruppen, or that bit in the Turner Diaries where all the miscegenated abominations (like me! D: ) get the Aryan firing squad.

I'd give these chaps more credence on the matter, tbh

[Zen]

the Turner Diaries

Exactly.

This is precisely what I was getting at. More Helter Skelter bullshit for the masses.
Divide and conquer.
Rinse and repeat.

[Blinge]

(Also; you may remember the recent victory speech by "transgender woman" Danica Roem, on his being elected to the Virginia legislature;
"The crowd chanted “Danica! Danica!” She raised her fist and shouted “Sí, se puede!”".)

Your point being..?

what are you going to do about it?

What's your answer, then?

[Zen]

Your point being..?

Richard Matheson - I Am Legend - 1954

What's your answer, then?

To take personal responsibility for ones own awareness, irrespective of where that journey may lead.
To grasp the concept of cultural heritage as a bridge in progress to the future.
To see the game for what it is.
And so, to act according to ones conscience.

That would be a start.

[Durandal]

Your point being..?

Richard Matheson - I Am Legend - 1954

What's your answer, then?

To grasp the concept of cultural heritage as a bridge in progress to the future.

I don't really miss animal sacrifices. Or slavery. Or conquests. Most of the things we've inherited from previous cultures are their innovations in science, politics and art. Not necessarily cultural traditions, most of them improbably reproducable given the improbably reproducable socio-economic factors. You'd need to focus on changing the latter in order to even begin trying with the former.

[Zen]

I don't really miss animal sacrifices. Or slavery. Or conquests. Most of the things we've inherited from previous cultures are their innovations in science, politics and art.

We inherit all of it. Good and bad. It is lessons learned. It is character.

Not necessarily cultural traditions, most of them improbably reproducable given the improbably reproducable socio-economic factors. You'd need to focus on changing the latter in order to even begin trying with the former.

Again; Culture emanates from race.
There is nothing to "change" or "begin".
It is, within.

[Mischief Maker]

I guess they weren't that into the whole "free and open exchange of ideas" thing after all.

@ Mike Cernovich as an "Alt-Right Nazi", but I do think there are times when it is legitimate to get people fired for what they say. A funny one from a few days back:





Yah, not smart.

Wow. That must be a really important woman!

Clearly she's a congresswoman taking part in the frenzied economic overhaul republicans are rushing through congress. No?

Oh well then she's probably a tech CEO weighing in on the impacts of a repeal of net neutrality rules in America's monopolistic broadband market. No?

Is she an environmental activist warning that CO2 emissions have started rising again while oil companies build as many pipelines as possible to lock us into a fossil fuel economy for decades after renewable tech has rendered their climate destroying product obsolete? No?

Well not everything can be depressing hard news, she's obviously a famous actress or singer getting into some juicy celebrity gossip mishaps. No?

Wait, I get it! A nurse! She's a medic serving in our overt war in Afghanistan, our proxy war in Yemen, or our secret war in Niger! No?

Are you telling me she's just a nobody from Indiana who made an impolite tweet? And she's getting nationwide media attention for it? Huh. I wonder why your news sources chose out of thousands of possible stories to make some random darkie getting uppity a headline in these tumultuous times?

Your point being..?

Richard Matheson - I Am Legend - 1954

Um you do realize that at the end of I Am Legend...

Spoiler

Robert Neville realizes that he has become the real monster in the story. Hence the title.

What is with the Alt-Right not only failing to recognize satire and allegory, but openly embracing the wrong interpretation? This is almost as bad as those Donald Trump as the Emperor from Warhammer 40K memes, missing the point that the setting is an intentional satire of all the worst social dystopia nightmares of history rolled up into one big clusterfuck of fail.

[Zen]

Again with the "mischief making". You're committed to being a pest, are you not?

You do realise that is not what happens at the end of I A m Legend just as you also know full well what I meant when I referenced Matheson.
But just in case you genuinely do not understand the book or my point;

Spoiler

The difference between being seen as "person" or a "monster", can be a simple matter of demographics. “Sí, se puede!”.
That was my point.

Also, I must correct your reading of the books ending;
Robert Neville does not realise "that he has become the real monster in the story". Robet Neville realises that, he has become the real monster to them.
Profound difference.

What is with the Alt-Right not only failing to recognize satire and allegory, but openly embracing the wrong interpretation?

Yeah, about that . . . . .

Also, I do hope you are not categorising me as "alt-right"?

[BryanM]

Danica Roem and Lee Carter

Interesting case studies. They're like the anti-Jon Ossoffs.

Danica ran on fixing the fuckin' intolerable roads. His opponent ran on how much of a freak his opponent was. Turns out people cared more about making their lives less miserable. Fixing traffic issues resonates better than consolidating data centers does, mysteriously enough.

Carter of course, had his opponent actively campaign for him. In their red-scare propaganda, they made the critical error of saying that Carter supports universal medicare. You never frame it like that if you're a republican. It's supposed to be "a government takeover of healthcare" to maximize the spooky scary factor. I don't know what those consultants were on, but they're all shit. Carter, had no consultants and no "help" from the Democratic party in his run. If he had accepted their funds, they would have required him to follow their messaging. Which would have buried him. (There's also talk about how they were leaking information to his republican opponent.)

Altogether it's a good illustration that it's impossible to lose against republicans unless you're actively trying to lose.

In theory 2018 should be a wave for the democrats now that they don't have the anchor of Clinton drowning them (and the way figures like Brazille and even her freakin' hand picked successor Gillibrand have been talking, the establishment is at least intelligent enough to try to get rid of them.). But I'm sure they'll find some way to fuck it up and field another Mr.Smithers for their spokesman.

missing the point that the setting is an intentional satire of all the worst social dystopia nightmares of history rolled up into one big clusterfuck of fail.

In the WH40k canon, the emperor is currently a withered husk on life support, kept alive by the sacrifice of hundreds of psykers every day or so. The man himself would be horrified to see how much mankind has degraded since his rule, and also horrified that people are worshiping him as an actual god. Besides the life support and sacrifice thing, this character is indeed not very Trumpian, no.

But what is Trumpian is his immense and irrational love of the color gold.

(This is also why Trump falls in love with Pokemon Go in my fanfiction - he sees a magikarp helplessly flopping around. A gold magikarp. He cannot help but feel some kinship with the creature.)

Again; Culture emanates from race.
There is nothing to "change" or "begin".
It is, within.

lol wat

I guess my love of Ghostbusters comes from my potato-eating cheap-replacement-for-donkies slave race ancestors. If I had grown up in some tribal caribou-hunting society, I'd love it equally as much despite not being able to speak english.

[Xyga]

lol wat.

Well haven't you been following? after race determining the IQ and religion it's normal that they would also say the culture as a whole.
Nothing new with RobZen, we're still knee-deep into racial determinism of the crassest kind.

EDIT; oh but... NOT IT !!!!
Fucking leftists.

[Zen]

Speaking of crass . . .

Reverse, take a left, enter the "Spicy Food Thread", spice yourself up and get back to me

[Rob]

or that bit in the Turner Diaries where all the miscegenated abominations (like me! D: ) get the Aryan firing squad.

We all love you, BIL.

Wow. That must be a really important woman!

As important as Sam Seder. I thought your topic was the free exchange of ideas, not the importance of the person exchanging those ideas, but I think a nurse with a blood feud against the white devil is a potential danger to actual people that's worth rooting out. Another recent thing: nurse laughs as WWII vet cries for help and dies. That's not good!

[BareKnuckleRoo]

What is with the Alt-Right not only failing to recognize satire and allegory, but openly embracing the wrong interpretation?

It's whatever is convenient to them. Accuracy, reality, ethics, all things take a backseat to the thing that matters: establishing and maintaining power at any cost. Any cost.

It's the same force that drives North Korea and the modern Republican party to treat George Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four" as a how-to manual for brainwashing a populace and keeping them in check. Nothing is too egregious if it's for the sake of maintaining the party's power.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Robert Neville does not realise "that he has become the real monster in the story". Robet Neville realises that, he has become the real monster to them.
Profound difference.

No difference whatsoever. If you had actually understood the plot you wouldn't have missed the point so tremendously.

The major, final element of horror in the novel comes from the realization that who is 'good' and who is the 'monster' when it comes to ideologies can sometimes be a matter of which perspective you're looking from.

[Specineff]

(they're criminals and rapists that are ruining our country...but some, I assume, are good people!).

You know, living in the fifth most populous city in the USA, surrounded by a vast amount of other hispanics, along with middle-easterners, asians and africans, I have to wonder where they get all that. Granted, it's not entirely as safe and quiet as Japan or Singapore, but there's none of the constant chaos, rape and lawlessness that those who want to protect the country from TEH ULTIMATE EVIL(TM) would want everyone to believe.

[Zen]

Robert Neville does not realise "that he has become the real monster in the story". Robet Neville realises that, he has become the real monster to them.
Profound difference.

No difference whatsoever. If you had actually understood the plot you wouldn't have missed the point so tremendously.

The major, final element of horror in the novel comes from the realization that who is 'good' and who is the 'monster' when it comes to ideologies can sometimes be a matter of which perspective you're looking from.

Jesus wept.
First; If you can not quote me correctly, then please, for the love of God, do not quote me at all.
Second; By omitting my italic emphasis and bold, you make the distinction that I make, meaningless.
Three; As that is the books ending, both myself and Mischief Maker hid it in spoiler.

No difference whatsoever. If you had actually understood the plot you wouldn't have missed the point so tremendously.

Again; Jesus wept.

[Rob]

You know, living in the fifth most populous city in the USA, surrounded by a vast amount of other hispanics, along with middle-easterners, asians and africans,

[BulletMagnet]

Maybe if they could improve their living conditions a bit there would be less of a problem with rape, depression and suicide.

Christ almighty, Rob (no offense, Zen )...

Okay, for anyone who hasn't been keeping up, for months on end we've been hearing non-stop assertions that those not of European descent, very much including Native Americans, are not only objectively both genetically and culturally inferior to those of European descent but one hundred percent responsible for the problems that plague them:

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Even if I was dirt poor, those aren't my people. If a person can't achieve a moderate level of success in America, odds are they aren't very smart. And the government can not stop people from being not smart - unable to learn, to save and not buy the expensive shoes, etc. This is one of the reasons why mass third world immigration is a major problem. We can not expect millions of low IQ people to come here and to be able to compete.

We don't need cutthroat competition for things anyone should be able to do when we have many millions who have nothing to do. If anything, we need people who can at least match the output of average whites. Instead we get people who earn less, pay less taxes, take more government assistance and commit more crime. Then we get the privilege of being blamed for their lack of achievement as our country slowly morphs into Brazil.

You've abandoned your countrymen for a bigger paycheck. What you're willing to do is leach off of America's prosperity while complaining about the people responsible for that prosperity.

Just have to wait a bit longer for the demographics to flip in your favor and our remaining freedoms will be voted away unthinkingly. I'm sure you'll get UBI, free speech and gun bans and all of that - the government will be your sole protector and provider. You can be completely dependent once and for all.

So, yes, with immigration we should consider their political leanings and "the very policies that people vote in". Hispanics (for instance) are not just people who tend to look different - they have their own values that do not align with predominant native white American values. Why should Americans (the unhyphenated kind with deep roots in this country) want American values to be replaced by Mexican or any other values while we get absolutely nothing in return? Check out this political ad the "Latino Victory Fund" ran in a recent election. This is the kind of belligerency we get in return for letting these people do whatever they want. We are getting a country where we get blamed and have to pay for minority failure and we get called racist regardless. It's a no-win situation for anyone not desiring a large pool of low skill labor. It's simply a government-sanctioned takeover by people who had nothing even tangentially to do with any part of the creation of this country.

I know you're extraordinarily dim and I've pointed this out to you before, but Alaska has the highest percentage of natives in the U.S. Natives have a rape problem.

And they get an additional 1.5 years to pack up and people still bitch and moan. Nine years of temporary protection. How fucking long should it take to rebuild and regroup after an earthquake? This is the problem with giving an inch to people who are incapable of providing a good life for themselves.

They are a threat to America because people don't know when or where to draw the line. It's never just 60,000 and all of the kids they manage to have while here. There are 800,000 "dreamers", 10-30 million illegals, 50,000-100,000+ "refugees" a year in addition to the million regular immigrants a year and whatever else I'm missing. The environmental disaster was an earthquake in 2010. The question is: should they still be here in 2017? If their "dream" is weaseling their way into America and staying permanently when temporarily was the offer, the steel-toe boot is what they should get.

But according [to] a survey by the Alaska Federation of Natives, the rate of sexual violence in rural villages like Emmonak is as much as 12 times the national rate. And interviews with Native American women here and across the nation’s tribal reservations suggest an even grimmer reality: They say few, if any, female relatives or close friends have escaped sexual violence.

The U.S. is a conception of Europeans and their descendants. As this country was founded by us, we are natives to it. People are not tripping over themselves to get to what the tribes built.

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...and I think I'll just link to the last time I had to do this, that's as far back as I care to go; anyone who wants more, there's plenty.

Anyway, with that in mind, Rob, what is a remotely impartial observer supposed to think when, out of the blue, the speaker of the above and more pulls a completely out-of-the-blue U-turn and goes full-on bleeding-heart on us, wondering aloud if providing material assistance to this particular marginalized group might not be a complete waste of white people's time, let alone counterproductive, "reverse racist" coddling?

...in order, as it happens, to attempt to directly counteract the environmentalist stance on this particular issue, despite literally years of declarations that he himself is an ardent environmentalist?

...while, in case you've forgotten, the current government is also tirelessly pushing policies openly intended to cripple people in situations like theirs, so that the richest can tower even higher over the rest of us? And somehow, even as you paint yourself as an advocate of the (conveniently) downtrodden, you still happen to concur with the likes of the current administration (which, speaking of sudden turnarounds, you've repeatedly insisted you disdain and reject out of hand) that every single other concern the nation (or the world) might have needs to take a back seat to keeping the nonwhites from getting too uppety?

...and, as the cherry on top, to insinuate that anybody who'd point out this manner and degree of, to put it kindly, inconsistency, is pulling a "liberal thought police" stunt?

Oh, and I almost forgot that you used to be rather down on the whole white supremacy thing.

Sorry Rob, but whatever demented social experiment you signed up for, attempting to talk to you about any such matters is an exercise in masochistic futility until it's over. Anyone who wants to believe otherwise, go right ahead; give my regards to quash the next time he inevitably comes back from "hitting the bottle hard".

...though, before I go, I can't resist this particular opportunity:

Opinion on the Kate Steinle verdict?

You mean the one where the prosecutor could have almost certainly gotten a conviction on a second-degree murder charge, as she originally planned to, but listened to the howling nativist crowd, upped the charge to first-degree murder in the face of all available evidence, and lost? That one? Not that there's a possible allegory here or anything, of course: back to work! Outlaw sanctuary cities and force undocumented people to stop talking to the cops altogether! Yeaaaaah fuck yooouuu yeeeaahhhh!

[BryanM]

You guys must really like licking the underside of dog turds you find on the sidewalk.

As you've not internalized this, I'll repeat myself yet again: the racial supremacy stuff is a boogum, a largely meaningless symbol that doesn't really touch the core of the id in question. As it isn't something he even cares about, it's just a public display of masturbation for everyone involved.

You're giving him exactly what he wants - attention, affirmations, basically stuff to help him deal with his soul crushing loneliness. Since he lives in communist Alaska, I don't think this is a theory that's very out there.

Yes, he's a moody teenage girl. This is the internet, after all.

could have almost certainly gotten a conviction on a second-degree murder charge

... lol wat

"Murder" requires the intent to kill someone.

A bullet ricocheting off a wall and hitting someone doesn't really meet that threshold. Unless you're goddamn Neo or the guy from Wanted.

If murderous intent couldn't be met for the Zim Zam Man, it sure as hell isn't going to meet it here unless the guy himself admits he wanted to kill her.

The crime in question you're looking for is negligent homicide, also known as involuntary manslaughter.

[Nifty]

that's as far back as I care to go; anyone who wants more, there's plenty.

Since we're here now, why not take this logic one step further again? I ended up buried in the thread the other day and ran into something:

When undead claymation muppets disapprove of your weasally slimey way of life, it's time to re-evaluate things on a fundamental level.

Or make a video trashing PBS. He can't be blamed entirely for the graph's eccentric dimensions - he just borrowed it from Pew Research here.

Between 1965 and 2015, new immigrants, their children and their grandchildren accounted for 55% of U.S. population growth.

And values shift with shifting demographics, as he pointed out with the data on smaller vs. larger government and political party preference.

Listening to Stefan and other wingnuts has been entertaining and somewhat enlightening. I can at least say that I better understand their desire to wish upon a (reality TV) star and throw their dignity away.

Disregarding the tonal shift, there's something else glaringly obvious that's now being overshadowed. Rob is capable of understanding demographics. He can count, the same way as anyone who can will realise that net immigration is a drop in the ocean compared to the established groups that are already present, and that he and anyone else who wants to willingly box themselves into a corner aren't going to do a damn thing about it. Even the most craven culture warrior would be able to deliver a personal narrative with fewer holes than the one he's been spinning. Who's he taking issue with? "Tiny minorities in cahoots with liberals trying to destroy the ancestral culture and values I've only just now decided that I have." Who share this belief? "Normal people. Normal people with very high IQs. The most normal people you've ever seen." Why the change of heart to begin with? "..."

Was the prospect of being able to mash crotches with a few other preening isolationist tryhards really too good to be able to pass up? I'm still not buying it.

[Rob]

wondering aloud if providing material assistance to this particular marginalized group might not be a complete waste of white people's time,

"Providing material assistance". This isn't welfare or taking in some foreign group to teach them how to consume oil like you do - they have land rights to the area. The question is whether or not to stand in the way of them getting what's rightfully theirs, and whether you, with your lifestyle, feel that you have a right to do that.

Oh, and I almost forgot that you used to be rather down on the whole white supremacy thing.

Wow, I've never been madly in love with white people - good detective work, brother. Does this mean we should not object to being squeezed out of our country, should submit to being called racists and pay an oppressor tax, etc.? With all of the problems I think white Americans have, I do not think America would be better off as an outpost for the entire world's castoffs.

You mean the one where the prosecutor could have almost certainly gotten a conviction on a second-degree murder charge,

He was facing second degree murder charges for killing 32-year-old Pleasanton resident Kate Steinle on July 1, 2015, at Pier 14 in San Francisco.

You are the most unbelievably tedious guy. You go through all of that garbage, air ball the one question and don't answer the other.