The Street Fighter IV Thread

[Elixir]

Pretty sad that Capcom can rehash this game so soon. I'll pass.

[Alec]

not soon enough damnit

lol hakan vid sfx

[CMoon]

Deejay (ugh)

Sir, what the guff do you have against the King of Jamaica?

I think his ultra involving the maracas' is exquisitively hawtt mon

I need to point out here that he's the only character that is still smiling when Hakan 'manbirths' him.

Sorry, I just think his gameplay is rubbish, but I never much liked the 'new challengers', especially T.Hawk who felt like the supreme king of rubbish. No reason IMO to be reviving these characters.

[CMoon]

Pretty sad that Capcom can rehash this game so soon. I'll pass.

That said, it's a really significant upgrade. 10 new characters, new ultra 2's for every character, all the characters have been updated in some way. I agree it's pretty early, but it is a more significant upgrade than many of the 'championship, hyper, turbo' upgrades in the past, and isn't going for full price anyway. Can't see much to whine about being how much more game they stuffed into this one.

Plus, you know you want to oil up.

[Ruldra]

I don't like at all how silly this new version is. Those new ultras have so much spinning it looks ridiculous (lol?), and now they top it off with Hakan. Seems like they are trying to make the game "funny" and it really annoys me.

I'm gonna stick with vanilla SF4.

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[BulletMagnet]

Seems like they are trying to make the game "funny" and it really annoys me.

I'm gonna stick with vanilla SF4.

I dunno, I thought the original game was pretty goofy as it was (even if you ignore Dan's presence) - granted, Hakan ups the weirdness factor here, but I never quite understood why so many fighting game fans recoil as soon as a game moves too far past the boundary of Unsmiling Gory Badassville. The premise of any of these things is pretty ridiculous as it is - I'd much rather the genre is comfortable laughing at itself than moving into unaware self-parodying JRPG country. This isn't to say that every fighter should be unabashedly silly, granted, but I'd advise those who think that any "non-serious" elements present in their genre of choice are "ruining" it to relax a bit.

[nash87]

Deejay (ugh)

Sir, what the guff do you have against the King of Jamaica?

I think his ultra involving the maracas' is exquisitively hawtt mon

I need to point out here that he's the only character that is still smiling when Hakan 'manbirths' him.

Sorry, I just think his gameplay is rubbish, but I never much liked the 'new challengers', especially T.Hawk who felt like the supreme king of rubbish. No reason IMO to be reviving these characters.

You'd have a constant smile too if you were the king of Jamaica and had maracas' in your pants at all times.

keep in mind those pants don't have pockets good sir...they are inside the pants...somewhere...

T. Hawk on the other hand could easily be replaced with, well, anybody. same goes double for adon, I'm much more upset with him being in the game than T. Hawk.

[KBZ]

Seems like they are trying to make the game "funny" and it really annoys me.

I'm gonna stick with vanilla SF4.

I dunno, I thought the original game was pretty goofy as it was (even if you ignore Dan's presence) - granted, Hakan ups the weirdness factor here, but I never quite understood why so many fighting game fans recoil as soon as a game moves too far past the boundary of Unsmiling Gory Badassville. The premise of any of these things is pretty ridiculous as it is - I'd much rather the genre is comfortable laughing at itself than moving into unaware self-parodying JRPG country. This isn't to say that every fighter should be unabashedly silly, granted, but I'd advise those who think that any "non-serious" elements present in their genre of choice are "ruining" it to relax a bit.

SF kids takin things too seriously. Could learn a few things from the KOF world.

[ncp]

Now they just need to replace that pathetic excuse for a naked-man-boss Seth with a real manly naked-man-boss like Gill.

[Udderdude]

Now they just need to replace that pathetic excuse for a naked-man-boss Seth with a real manly naked-man-boss like Gill.

KNEEL BEFORE YOUR MASTER.

[ncp]

IBUKI! Hopefully she's low in the useless tier again.

Ever play NG or 2I?

[Ruldra]

This isn't to say that every fighter should be unabashedly silly, granted, but I'd advise those who think that any "non-serious" elements present in their genre of choice are "ruining" it to relax a bit.

I don't mind the occasional goofy element but they're pushing it a bit too far this time around. But to each their own I guess.

[JoshF]

SFIV is a bad game made by bad people. Why would anyone want to play it over GGAC, Blazblue, KOFXI, Arcana Heart 2, etc?

Oh, because Sirlin says obsoleted fireball trap YOMI is YOMI. I wish he liked FPS so I could read a bunch of articles why Duke Nuken 3D is the most strategic FPS ever made.

[ncp]

SFIV is a bad game made by bad people. Why would anyone want to play it over GGAC, Blazblue, KOFXI, Arcana Heart 2, etc?

Oh, because Sirlin says obsoleted fireball trap YOMI is YOMI. I wish he liked FPS so I could read a bunch of articles why Duke Nuken 3D is the most strategic FPS ever made.

How cool is it that your first reaction to seeing a thread called "The Street Fighter IV Thread" was shitposting instead of just not posting at all?

[Ganelon]

Actually, Sirlin wasn't a big fan of SFIV. He said he thought his own game (AKA ST with some minor adjustments that he had the final say over) was more solid. Can't say I disagree with him.

I personally think it's time for some new characters (a female final boss for once?) but I'll definitely give SSF4 a chance to appeal to me.

[JoshF]

How cool is it that your first reaction to seeing a thread called "The Street Fighter IV Thread" was shitposting instead of just not posting at all?

Shitposting about my legitimate criticism by calling it shitposting, nice FOCUS ATTACK dude. Everyone made fun of KOFXII for scraping off 10 years of the genre's evolution, but at least that had custom combos. Also relax, it's just an internet.

Actually, Sirlin wasn't a big fan of SFIV.

I read. He can't do focus attacks. But he'll still tell you the SFII-modeled SFIV beats SFIII because of the projectiles. Man, there's at least 20 games that do projectiles better than ST. ST fireball game is this: jump/anti FB early = you win, jump/anti FB late = you lose. Not to mention all the fireballs move in a straight line. At least they added some unconventional fireballs in IV but it still can't beat GGAX or Arcana Heart.

Oh yeah, and the canned juggle system: lame.

EDIT: and only 1 super, yadda yadda yadda

[Ganelon]

Well, assuming you're not just trolling for the hell of it, here's a basic hampering of footsies and pokes when universal focus attacks and ultras are in place. Plus, there are plenty of other ways around projectiles in ST (counter-projectile, super, invincible special through, jump up, trade with normal, etc.). And even then, projectile traps are still powerful.

It's interesting you mention the limited juggles considering ST was one of the first to really offer a juggling system in the first place. I'm not sure it's a great idea for a 2D fighter in the first place though, setting a bad precedent for today's rampant air combos, which I don't think was the best way to evolve the fighting genre.

[ncp]

my legitimate criticism by calling it shitposting

what legitimate criticism? "bad game by bad people"? TELL ME MORE OH FAMED VIDEO GAME CRITIC!

[JoshF]

Air combos and air options in general are a great way to evolve the genre IMO not only because it allows more creative space control (think Space Invaders vs. a shmup where you can move vertically) but also because it further differentiates 2D from 3D, where with the latter you're essentially glued to the ground. As long as there's the possibility to escape to keep to on your toes (and in the games I'm referencing, there are, unlike the VS. games) I don't see how this could be a negative thing.

ST was the first real (non-MK ) fighter to do juggles. X-Men: COTA expanded on it and gave us the modern fighter, even if it was pretty flawed. That's the gamble though, the deeper you make the game, the harder it is to avoid brokenness. Companies like Examu and ArcSys are brave and skilled enough to attempt to try new things and pull them off pretty effectively (barring HnK). Capcom/Dimps took the easy way out by basing SFIV on a simpler design, and even then they screwed up (Sagat). Go back to making portable Sonic games and let companies like Examu who don't have brand recognition but actually have some drive get a chance in the spotlight.

[Ganelon]

I agree that it would've been great to have more emphasis on aerial movement (well, except if it was the clunky DBZ sort). The negative thing about aerial combos and juggles is that they involve a robotic Beatmania-esque motions instead of giving a nice big hit and letting both players continue on their game. I like knowing pokes and learning to read your opponent. Getting muscle memory down for combos isn't appealing to me and I'm sure that's what irks OG players.

Even though Sagat is really good (and pretty much unarguable best), it's not like he wins a disproportionate number of tourneys either in the US or in Japan. I'm not a fan of SFIV either, but for the other reasons I mentioned earlier.

[Damocles]

Is Rolento in it yet? No. Ok. Call me when he is.

[Drum]

Air combos and air options in general are a great way to evolve the genre IMO not only because it allows more creative space control (think Space Invaders vs. a shmup where you can move vertically) but also because it further differentiates 2D from 3D, where with the latter you're essentially glued to the ground. As long as there's the possibility to escape to keep to on your toes (and in the games I'm referencing, there are, unlike the VS. games) I don't see how this could be a negative thing.

ST was the first real (non-MK ) fighter to do juggles. X-Men: COTA expanded on it and gave us the modern fighter, even if it was pretty flawed. That's the gamble though, the deeper you make the game, the harder it is to avoid brokenness. Companies like Examu and ArcSys are brave and skilled enough to attempt to try new things and pull them off pretty effectively (barring HnK). Capcom/Dimps took the easy way out by basing SFIV on a simpler design, and even then they screwed up (Sagat). Go back to making portable Sonic games and let companies like Examu who don't have brand recognition but actually have some drive get a chance in the spotlight.

I think I'm gonna spew.

[Taylor]

Actually, Sirlin wasn't a big fan of SFIV. He said he thought his own game (AKA ST with some minor adjustments that he had the final say over) was more solid. Can't say I disagree with him.

I personally think it's time for some new characters (a female final boss for once?) but I'll definitely give SSF4 a chance to appeal to me.

Um, if I recall correctly, his own idea for SFIV was a semi-brawler where you can rewind time and special move motions were optional. And the main reasons he didn't like SFIV were things like "option-select is better than kara-throws" and "pressing 3 buttons at once is hard," opposed to actual problems.

[Lordstar]

Now they just need to replace that pathetic excuse for a naked-man-boss Seth with a real manly naked-man-boss like Gill.

KNEEL BEFORE YOUR MASTER.

THE MARK OF YOUR DIGNITY SHALL SCAR MY DNA!

[Ganelon]

Um, if I recall correctly, his own idea for SFIV was a semi-brawler where you can rewind time and special move motions were optional. And the main reasons he didn't like SFIV were things like "option-select is better than kara-throws" and "pressing 3 buttons at once is hard," opposed to actual problems.

Yeah, it was called SFIV Flashback. Like I said, OG players aren't fans of overcomplicating controls for the hell of it. ST straddles the fine line between nuances and a focus on a pokes.

[Taylor]

Time travel doesn't sound like a minor adjustment.

[Ganelon]

It sure doesn't but it does seem like an interesting idea to check out, better than focusing on those Beatmania buttons/motions like most games nowadays. I'm not a fan of dumbing specials down to nothing but I think that was Sirlin's plan to attract more new players. I think it would've been refreshing to see in light of all the folks complaining about bopping down those FADCs and 1-frame links.

[JoshF]

Oh my god I just read that Flashback article. So basically he wants Street Fighter to be popular again at all cost, even if it means turning it into Smash Bros./Mortal Kombat.

[Udderdude]

hahaha jesus

[Ruldra]

What if I flashback your flashback? Time paradox?

Dahaka woudn't be happy with everyone using the sands of time like that.