DUX for Dreamcast

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:59 pm

Of course the ultimate goal of any company should be to seek funding to continue its line of products. It isn't about loaning money or acting as a charity. This is the way indie companies have to work, whether they be record labels, DVD publishers or indeed game devs. If the way to make enough money to fund the product and all future products is to make a limited edition to sell alongside a separate edition, then so be it. You don't have to buy it.

This is the real world, and people need to stop being so naive.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:55 pm

MX7 wrote:
This is the real world, and people need to stop being so naive.

It's not only the buyers the ones that should abide by that statement.

320x240 · Post by **320x240** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:31 pm

I like how people feel exploited by a couple of guys working on a game for a dead console in their spare time...

Cave on the other hand...I'll buy anything they throw at me. What with them speaking Japanese and all. Fuck Pillows? OST's? Black Labels? Figurines! Posters! Stickers! Where do we form a que? Hey guys! Can I buy your game a second time? What about a third? I bought a 360 because of you guys... I'll support you and keep you alive!

Of course, now people will defend themselves with the notion that it's about quality when all it is about is people jumping at the opportunity to gang up on someone.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:41 pm

Specineff wrote:
MX7 wrote:
This is the real world, and people need to stop being so naive.
It's not only the buyers the ones that should abide by that statement.

Putting out a LE us anything but naive. I would even go as far as to call it shrewd.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:08 pm

It's not the LE I have a problem with, in fact, more power to them for making it. (I got my R-Type model along R-Type Tactics/Command, and other LE goodies, so I'm all up for that kind of tchotchkies.)

The problem, (and I love to use your RL world approach here) is this:

Specineff works at a cable provider fixing issues related to technical and billing problems the customers may have. Some customers scream at Spec, some others are nice, some are just plain impossible to deal with. Spec tries to work hard for his money.

Come the weekend, Spec wants to buy a new game since he's bored of the old ones. Since it costs him a bit of sweat to make his paycheck, Spec wants to make sure he gets his money's worth.

And here's the crux: Spec could buy just about ANY other game for a system he owns. RHE and the HuCast team are competing with just about any other freaking developer out there. It's unrealistic to expect that the sympathy and love out of the (Dedicated) DC fanbase will be enough to grant sales alone, given a developer's previous credentials include a game that mostly everybody has qualified as broken due to its many apparent flaws, an attitude who accuses anyone who dares to state so of not understanding how it works, and a case of developer tunnel-vision.

EDIT: Being an independent developer is not going to grant you some sort of special status or magical aura. It's the quality of your product, for which you are asking customers give you some of their hard-earned money in exchange, what will do it. You're dealing with real-life customers, who pay real-life money, and who will react to the product they receive the exact same way they do it with other real-life developers.

Even if I try to convince myself about all the good I am doing a developer by buying their games, it won't do me any good when I am not getting my money's worth in such game. There is a reason why developers like Treasure, Rare, Psygnosis and Factor 5 achieved such fame, and I doubt it was just loyalty or because their customers "understood" their games. And I seriously doubt that me buying a DVD of the Postal movie is going to help Uwe Boll make a decent sequel in the BloodRayne series in the future.

RHE · Post by **RHE** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:41 pm

I think some people got me wrong about the HUCAST.net support. I'm not asking for special support of any kind, I just think it's very short minded to only look at one game then passing it dispites it's quality or just for being average. I'm not asking for supporting 'bad games' or just because it's a shmup. Maybe you didn't hear it already but shmups is a dying genre. And there dying not beacuse someone doesn't buy the same shmup thrice, they're dying because the standard for an shmup today is incredible high so poeple even pass on good ones if they're not as great as the greatest kind of all shmups.

So if you buy the DUX LE for your personal enjoyment, beause you believe in the products itself, you get all you what want and additionally w/o paying for it you're supporting a dev as well. I didn't ask anyone to do this. It's just a simple rule, which goes for every shmup and dev etc. Nobody here is talking about getting the same game thrice just to show support.

Again, if you buy DUX then you're supporting further games. And when I say 'if' I mean 'if', an not someting like: you shall buy DUX to show support.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:47 pm

RHE wrote:I think some people got me wrong about the HUCAST.net support. I'm not asking for special support of any kind, I just think it's very short minded to only look at one game then passing it dispites it's quality or for just being average. I'm not asking for supporting 'bad games' or verything just becasue it's a shmup. Maybe you didn't hear it already but shmups is a dying genre. And there dying not beacuse someone doesn't buy the same shmup thrice, they're dying because the standard for an smup today is incredible high so poeple even pass of good games if thery'e not as great as the greates of all shmups.

Fair enough.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:41 am

I've been checking out the vids of DUX and it looks impressive...I can't wait to play it.

*preorders*

ChurchOfSolipsism · Post by **ChurchOfSolipsism** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:52 pm

ROBOTRON wrote:I've been checking out the vids of DUX and it looks impressive...I can't wait to play it.

*preorders*

Haha have we even seen the same videos?

Plasmo · Post by **Plasmo** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:03 pm

They really look very impressive to me, too. DUX's style just looks perfect.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:31 pm

ChurchOfSolipsism wrote:
ROBOTRON wrote:I've been checking out the vids of DUX and it looks impressive...I can't wait to play it.

*preorders*
Haha have we even seen the same videos?

Yeah, the ones that were on YouTube. Is something wrong with it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMNhBu6QUN0

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:00 pm

ROBOTRON wrote:Yeah, the ones that were on YouTube. Is something wrong with it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMNhBu6QUN0

Hires videos here

http://www.blog.hucast.net/

rtw

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:39 am

Looks like a freeware R-Type clone. Very unappealing to me.

ChurchOfSolipsism · Post by **ChurchOfSolipsism** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:26 am

ROBOTRON wrote:
ChurchOfSolipsism wrote:
ROBOTRON wrote:I've been checking out the vids of DUX and it looks impressive...I can't wait to play it.

*preorders*
Haha have we even seen the same videos?
Yeah, the ones that were on YouTube. Is something wrong with it?

Depends on how you define "wrong". I just watched the newest high-def trailer; in parts it's butt-ugly, in some other parts I was surprised to see it's actually ok. Can't really say anything about playability yet, of course, but all I could see in the trailer was rererecycled ideas.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:49 am

ChurchOfSolipsism wrote:
ROBOTRON wrote:
ChurchOfSolipsism wrote: Haha have we even seen the same videos?
Yeah, the ones that were on YouTube. Is something wrong with it?

Depends on how you define "wrong". I just watched the newest high-def trailer; in parts it's butt-ugly, in some other parts I was surprised to see it's actually ok. Can't really say anything about playability yet, of course, but all I could see in the trailer was rererecycled ideas.

Ah, well I hope its decent because I'm buying it.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:15 am

I'm guessing the player has some invincibility cheat in the video? I know the force type device can absorb bullets, but it seems most bullets are absorbed left right and centre. I couldn't really make out what the shit was going on.

henry dark · Post by **henry dark** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:48 pm

Are there any new ideas left in this genre?

ex.machina · Post by **ex.machina** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:14 pm

Doesn't look so much my type. Still preordered it anyway to show some support for such kind of projects.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:44 pm

henry dark wrote:Are there any new ideas left in this genre?

R-Type clones aren't a bad thing...as long as its fun to play. It'd be nice to see someone break new ground...until then, games like this can keep us busy and the genre alive.

Bashing a game before it comes out is not cool.

The "bullet hell" type shmups get made over and over again and no one here really complains. The latest batch of Cave games I've tried were not very innovative, but I'll try em' first before I knock em'.

Why are people giving this particular developer a hard time? There are proper ways to "critique" a game so maybe it can be better next time around. Why drive a shmup developer (who's cool enough to post here) away from our boards?

henry dark · Post by **henry dark** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:22 am

ROBOTRON wrote:
henry dark wrote:Are there any new ideas left in this genre?
R-Type clones aren't a bad thing...as long as its fun to play.

So your answer is "no" then?

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:50 am

ROBOTRON wrote:Why drive a shmup developer (who's cool enough to post here) away from our boards?

I think some find them writing here is the less cool part about Ng:dev. Pretty much everyone is happy that they're doing shmups and keeping alive much loved systems. But when they are around these parts, they are usually impervious to reasonable criticism, and prone to defend any flaw recurring to ideology ("you don't like Last Hope but you don't get it, because it's exactly as I intended it to be", a bit like Kutaragi and the square button on the fat PSP if you want).

So yeah... I rarely see Ng:dev developers discussing on non-NG-related threads. So if it just comes down to a single thread, a bulletin about their progresses, It eventually leads one to wonder when it stops to be a shmups discussion and when it becomes a form of viral marketing, since it's pretty obvious that word of mouth from these communities (like ours) is absolutely key in their marketing strategy.

Of course, all of the above is written in a purely critical fashion, no hard feelings whatsoever. I think they are pretty cool guys and if the game turns out decent I wouldn't mind to spend a couple of quarters on it. I just would do without the pre-release drama.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:46 am

henry dark wrote:
ROBOTRON wrote:
henry dark wrote:Are there any new ideas left in this genre?
R-Type clones aren't a bad thing...as long as its fun to play.
So your answer is "no" then?

AFFIRMATIVE.

I just would do without the pre-release drama

UNDERSTOOD.

ChurchOfSolipsism · Post by **ChurchOfSolipsism** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:03 pm

ROBOTRON wrote:
Why are people giving this particular developer a hard time?

Because Germans in general are a bunch of fucking po-faced sticklers? I should know, I am one.

devil_man · Post by **devil_man** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:40 am

I like Dux graphics except the main ship and missiles which are too flat for me. And try to improve the explosions.

Will you be adding a CGI rendered FMV opening ?

Take your time to release a wondeful game on Dreamcast. I'll buy it

heavymetalme · Post by **heavymetalme** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:26 am

Just watched the most recent trailer, and I'm still excited for this game. Once again though, it's a pity that I remember I pre-ordered this about once every month. I get excited, and a few days later, it's out of my head again. I'll be a happy camper when I unexpectedly receive it in the mail.

Purple_Aki · Post by **Purple_Aki** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:17 am

Why not get the damn game out before you start pissing around with Soundtrack releases?

Plasmo · Post by **Plasmo** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:10 am

The OST will be out this month!
I'm still not sure if it's worth it for me...it definitely sounds decent, though.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:56 am

Will there be a Limited Edition of the soundtrack?

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:06 pm

Ceph wrote:Will there be a Limited Edition of the soundtrack?

I could wite "#1" on it by hand and sell you my copy...

*

*or trade it for a boxed copy of Giana Sisters Amiga---

)

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:30 pm

yo dawg i heard you like limited editions so we put a limited edition in your limited edition so you can feel limited while you drive your edition...