Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu [Cave 2008]

Mills · Post by **Mills** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:50 am

I guess this game will never see the light of day on western and european shores weather it be arcade or console.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:21 am

Depends if your arcade carries import PCBs.

Mills · Post by **Mills** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:25 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:Depends if your arcade carries import PCBs.

Actually no, it depends on the price of the board which no european arcade operator is gonna pay more than £1500 for a shump title regardless of the reputation of the game maker.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:37 pm

I'm sure you know one or two people stupid enough to buy it at that price there.

Post by **undamned** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:36 pm

Mills wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:Depends if your arcade carries import PCBs.
Actually no, it depends on the price of the board which no european arcade operator is gonna pay more than £1500 for a shump title regardless of the reputation of the game maker.

I don't think any Cave game has cost that much at release. I think the most was like $2700.
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Chi_Ryu · Post by **Chi_Ryu** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:16 am

Mills wrote:I guess this game will never see the light of day on western and european shores weather it be arcade or console.

In terms of price, the chance of seeing it in a (singular) Western arcade (Well, ok, Casino in Goodge Street, London

) will increase 6-12 months after release when the price (usually) drops to ~£500-750...

Mills · Post by **Mills** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:11 pm

Twiddle wrote:I'm sure you know one or two people stupid enough to buy it at that price there.

Family Leisure is the main amusement operator for all of the major london arcades. last shump they bought was Raiden3.

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:53 pm

Chi_Ryu wrote:
Mills wrote:I guess this game will never see the light of day on western and european shores weather it be arcade or console.
In terms of price, the chance of seeing it in a (singular) Western arcade (Well, ok, Casino in Goodge Street, London ) will increase 6-12 months after release when the price (usually) drops to ~£500-750...

$1000-1500 doesn't sound bad for a US arcade. I wish Gameworks would import some Japanese shmup titles. Even if these games were nowhere near the top earners, they'd be sure to get some play on the busier nights like Friday and Saturday.

I'd price DFK relatively cheap per play, at 3 credits (around 30c) in a bid to get people there to try it and hopefully keep playing. That'd be tempting when most of GW's games cost $0.50-$2.50 per play.

Cave should probably try going with Taito Type X2. Seeing King of Fighters XII class 2D graphics in a shmup would be nice.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:46 pm

You can get Daifukkatsu at launch from Fujita for 220,000 yen. That's what, 1100GBP? Another 100 for shipping?

yojo! · Post by **yojo!** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:13 am

video from location test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyMw9uDc ... ?id_news=2

henry dark · Post by **henry dark** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:56 am

This looks like another one I'm never going to get past the fourth stage of

kemical · Post by **kemical** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:17 am

wow, that is looking visually really good.. really good.

StoofooEsq · Post by **StoofooEsq** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:13 am

That Hypered laser (0:11) looks absolutely sexy.

Ruldra · Post by **Ruldra** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:21 pm

Can someone figure it out how the chaining system works from this video? As in, what makes it either go down or drop completely?

Also, at some point the guy bombs and the chain doesn't break (though the hit count goes down a little).

Gwyrgyn Blood · Post by **Gwyrgyn Blood** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:15 pm

It looks to me like if you have a hyper in stock and your meter empties, your chain is dropped. Otherwise it slops down really fast. Bombs don't drop your chain instantly but seem to keep your meter pretty low.

Aside from that, you get hits for blocking lasers, and in Hyper mode you get hits for repelling bullets and a lot more hits for blocking lasers. Seems the items that the bullets turn into when you repel them have a multiplier on them too, based on your number of hits. So you'll probably get a lot of points by just reflecting bullets.

Game looks really great overall. Bosses still look silly though.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:36 pm

Heh, it does look more cluttered with bullets (especially that DDP Hibachi-like double spiraling pattern at 3:17), but I'm guessing it won't be harder than DOJ due to constant 30 fps slowdown (ugh) and visible hitbox. Come to think of it, invisible hitbox was a pretty huge factor of difficulty in earlier Cave games.

Gwyrgyn Blood · Post by **Gwyrgyn Blood** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:48 pm

I just noticed the guy in the video gets another hyper immediately as his current one runs out. Wonder why that is. Might have to do with getting a lot of hits in hyper mode?

orange · Post by **orange** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:31 pm

i'm really looking forward to this

but i hope they port it

and i hope it has an arrange mode

and i hope said arrange mode plays like a raizing game

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:37 pm

moozooh wrote:Come to think of it, invisible hitbox was a pretty huge factor of difficulty in earlier Cave games.

no offence but I really don't think so, good players don't look at their ship while dodging something unless it's just to check it's precise position, and when you're experienced with a game you know exactly where your hitbox is.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:42 pm

What you're saying is true, but I'm one hundred percent sure that with every other factor being equal, visible hitbox will always give a noticeable edge. That holds especially true during diagonal movement, when it's hard to judge the precision due to craft tilting to the sides, and during really dense patterns (which you should know by experience in dodging Hibachi's attacks).

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:41 am

In the first three stages at least, visible hitbox isn't nearly as useful as it is in something like ESPGaluda II or Mushihime-sama.

stanski · Post by **stanski** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:34 am

I would appreciate a visible hitbox in stage 3 of ddp with the bullet cancelling... its not hard to not get hit, but having it i would never get hit at all, which is not true without it.

The game looks f'ing sweet, I really can't wait till it comes out on mame

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:53 am

i would never get hit at all, which is not true without it.

Nor with it. There's always room to goof up.

gunbird18 · Post by **gunbird18** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:26 am

While watching the youtube vid, at about (2:20) or so...

Uh oh, it starts to do the Ketsui sideways/backwards scrolling bit, and I thought "Oh boy, there goes hope for a PS2 port from Mihara".

Visually stunning game! You know they poured A LOT of crap in there when that SH3 starts to choke on it!

nem · Post by **nem** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:06 am

wow, they're really going all out with that old piece of hardware

Very nice.

PS:

Gwyrgyn Blood wrote:Bosses still look silly though

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:12 am

"Oh boy, there goes hope for a PS2 port from Mihara"

Hmmm... yeah, that makes no sense. THe Ketsui port wasn't made impossible because of the backwards scrolling... it was impossible due to all the shit going on around the backwards scrolling part. As stated... a lot of times.

gunbird18 · Post by **gunbird18** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:47 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
Hmmm... yeah, that makes no sense. THe Ketsui port wasn't made impossible because of the backwards scrolling... it was impossible due to all the shit going on around the backwards scrolling part. As stated... a lot of times.

Ahhh, I see. I think I was really just poking fun at all the posts that start to flood in about "the prospect of a port/what system will it be ported to/now I have to go out and buy an import 360/PS3...

All that speculation before it even gets released to the arcades...

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:12 pm

nem wrote:wow, they're really going all out with that old piece of hardware

Very nice.

PS:
Gwyrgyn Blood wrote:Bosses still look silly though

Yep, Cave intends to go out with a bang with it's SH-3 finale that is DDP-FK PCB... ^_~

Should interesting to see what Cave has in store for it's next completely all-new from the ground up hardware PCB iteration shmup title...

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Post by **undamned** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:34 pm

Paper figure Twister. Wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhSYYsN26w

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MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:37 pm

undamned wrote:Paper figure Twister. Wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhSYYsN26w

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Yeah, that vid's bizzare. I can't remember if i've said it here before, but by far the best/worst part of the sequence is the cardboard underpants...