The PS Vita Thread - Remote Play for all PS4 Games

[Skykid]

Totally. Because none of what I wrote makes any sense and if my opinion differs from yours then that is clearly delusional.

The shmups forum - where dissenting opinion is diagnosed as mental illness by amateur psychologists.

Make.Believe

[louisg]

Hey you guys, Sony's totally for mature gamers. You can tell 'cause it's got load times. This isn't some "instant gratification" kiddie toy, OK? ;D

Trolling aside, the Vita *does* look pretty nice. I was impressed with how good Wipeout looked on it. But I do think the sun is setting on portable game systems.

No hate here man. I love the machine, I'm dismayed that Sony seem to be hell bent on treating it like a ginger stepchild. This is gonna be Japans Atari Jaguar unless something changes, quickly. Not only doesn't the machine have that killer game that makes folks pockets itchy, but there isn't even a sniff of one incoming.

That's really unfair. The Jag had Tempest 2000!

(and Club Drive ;D)

[ZellSF]

Persona 4 is coming, it should sell quite a few Vitas even in the US I think. Not enough to save the system by itself though.

I just ordered a Vita (for different reasons). I'm still undecided if it was a good idea. How do people generally deal with memory cards? I'm thinking go with the minimum card size I can manage while waiting for price drops or bigger capacities.

Or might I just as well go for 32 GB right away?

[Friendly]

I went with an 8 GB card at first and am waiting for the 32 GB card to get cheaper. 4 GB is pretty much a joke. Even if you only intend to buy physical games (like me), demos take up space, too, as do music and movies.

[Ganelon]

For Vita memory cards, I acquired a free 4GB, had a 8GB that came with the system (for JP games), and bought a 32GB for $75 (for US games). If you only plan on using a Vita for playing physical games and downloading DLC, then 4GB is more than enough. If you plan on downloading a few games, then you'll need at least an 8GB. If you're spending enough to buy a 16GB—which usually has poor per-GB value at sales prices—then you may as well go all the way for a 32GB and not worry about future storage.

Some notes: you can only have 1 PSN account tied to a memory card. If you want a US and JP account, then you need 2 memory cards. Physical games are region free but you'll need the right region PSN to download DLC or games that are only available on the JP PSN. It's fairly easy to move data from 1 card to another if you want to upgrade later on. The only caveat to having 2 memory cards is that a card is very small—about the size of a fingernail—and can be easily lost if you're absent-minded.

[E. Randy Dupre]

Get one of the Hori game card cases - they come with a holder for the memory cards.

The other problem with swapping memory cards is that the layout of your dashboard, or whatever it's called on the Vita, is wiped as soon as a card is removed from the system, and then scrambled up when it's inserted again. It's like if the folders on your PC randomised their contents every time a different user logged into it, and I can't think of any good reason why it should happen.

It may not be an issue if you've only got a couple of games saved on the card, but i you've got a bunch of them, plus downloads, plus utilities, plus PSP games, plus PSX games, it's a royal pain in the arse.

[Jonathan Ingram]

Vita sold 5,806 units this week in Japan which is almost one thousand units less than the week before. The only Vita game in the charts, Street Fighter x Tekken, sold 5,420 copies.

Well-deserved, I`d say. Sony has been prioritizing Western development at the expense of Japan for god knows how many years and it`s finally come back to bite them in the ass. We`ll be looking at 3k per week soon.

[judesalmon]

So you want the Vita to not do well? Why?

[Skykid]

So you want the Vita to not do well? Why?

He didn't say that, he's just scrutinising the ill-judged, counter-productive business practices that have progressively landed Sony in deeper shit over the last decade. To be honest, they should have recognised several wake up calls over the years, but haven't, so I'm not sure if domestic failure will kick them into gear and get them back into the mindset of domestic marketing.

Furthermore, I don't think anyone with half a brain would want the failure of anything in the handheld console market, especially since it may be a last hurrah before we're all condemned to touchscreen gaming.

[judesalmon]

There was no 'scrutinising' in that post, and what evidence is he citing to support his assertion that Sony is focusing on western development? Isn't everyone?

[UnscathedFlyingObject]

With Monster Hunter 4 and Dragon Quest 7 remake coming to 3DS, we can all but expect Sony to fight a losing battle next year too.

[Skykid]

There was no 'scrutinising' in that post, and what evidence is he citing to support his assertion that Sony is focusing on western development? Isn't everyone?

Well... yes, although game development and console marketing are two different things. Developers are trying to appeal to the western markets, and Sony puts emphasis on marketing to the same region.
Nintendo have achieved cross-territory appeal. I suppose if you were to weigh it up, you could say Nintendo and Sony are the only Japanese players left in the market, and Nintendo does more to appeal domestically than Sony (which might account for their relative success.)

[Friendly]

Hasn't been mentioned yet: Vita got an exclusive Assassin's Creed game yesterday: Assassin's Creed III: Liberation, also available in a PS Vita bundle pack with a new crystal white Wi-Fi Vita.



Release dates
NA October 30, 2012
EU October 31, 2012
JP November 15, 2012

[Jonathan Ingram]

So you want the Vita to not do well? Why?

Nowhere did I say anything of the sort. Vita may be a fantastic piece of hardware, but its misfortunes are completely justified is what I think.

There was no 'scrutinising' in that post, and what evidence is he citing to support his assertion that Sony is focusing on western development?

Factual evidence. Sony`s Western side has been expanding and acquiring new devs. They put out big-budget productions like Uncharted and God of War in a timely manner. They purchased new studios(Media Molecule, Guerilla Games, Evolution Studios, Sucker Punch, to name a few), expanded their existing ones(Naughty Dog can now handle two big budget productions at the same time) and bankrolled a number of titles from independent developers(Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, Heavenly Sword, Lair etc).

Nothing of the sort has been happening on their Japanese side. Sony`s relevance as a software maker in Japan has sharply fallen since late 90s. SCEJ had eleven million selling games in the PSX era, only two for the PS2 and a grand zero of million sellers for PSP and PS3. They mishandled Gran Turismo and Minna no Golf to the point where they are no longer relevant and completely ran into the ground a number of their other popular franchises, namely Arc the Lad, Wild Arms and PoPoLoCrois. Little has been done to reanimate the latter or to attempt and develop new games with mass appeal(stuff like Loco Roco, Patapon and Tokyo Jungle is not it).

SCEJ have increasingly relied on third-party support since PSX days and with that gone they are now completely helpless. They are at a point where they struggle to produce even simple games like Gravity Daze(I read that it took almost the entirety of SCEJ to put out this one). They saw how centered around Monster Hunter PSP was; they knew(or should`ve known) that it was dangerous to be so reliant on a third-party franchise that they had no control about and yet nothing was done to try and change the situation. At the time when half Japan was trying to capitalize on Monster Hunter`s popularity(which led to Sega successfully reanimating their multiplayer Phantasy Star games and Namco creating a popular MH clone of their own in Gods Eater) Sony sat around and did nothing.

Their third-party relations in Japan are truly something too. The folks at Sony responsible for these must`ve been actively burning bridges for Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter(the two biggest third-party franchises in Japan) to go Nintendo exclusive.

Isn't everyone?

Uh, no. Nintendo clearly understands that their strength is in Japan and they act accordingly.

Well... yes, although game development and console marketing are two different things. Developers are trying to appeal to the western markets, and Sony puts emphasis on marketing to the same region.
Nintendo have achieved cross-territory appeal. I suppose if you were to weigh it up, you could say Nintendo and Sony are the only Japanese players left in the market, and Nintendo does more to appeal domestically than Sony (which might account for their relative success.)

That too. But then again, Sony simply doesn`t produce software that could appeal to the Japanese. Not even the most amazing marketing could help in this situation.

[Friendly]

What's the point of saying "Vita is doomed" in every other post in this thread? Perverse pleasure? Does it make you or anyone else feel better? Why not just spare us?

It's way too early to make any long term predictions regarding Vita's future. I'm confident that Vita will find its place.

Even if all else fails, my Vita will be an amazing PSP player as soon as the new exploit is released, so no buyer's remorse.

[trap15]

What's the point of saying "Vita is doomed" in every other post in this thread? Perverse pleasure?

That's it for me

It's way too early to make any long term predictions regarding Vita's future. I'm confident that Vita will find its place.

Even if all else fails, my Vita will be an amazing PSP player as soon as the new exploit is released, so no buyer's remorse.

Pretty sure that last resort is going to be the actual fate for the system

[Drum]

Vita is doomed.

[Jonathan Ingram]

What's the point of saying "Vita is doomed" in every other post in this thread? Perverse pleasure? Does it make you or anyone else feel better? Why not just spare us?

Is your performance evaluation at stake or something?

[judesalmon]

Hmm, as a lawyer, I would say your 'evidence' is shaky at best. If I was being kind.

[Skykid]

What's the point of saying "Vita is doomed" in every other post in this thread? Perverse pleasure? Does it make you or anyone else feel better? Why not just spare us?

Is your performance evaluation at stake or something?

You see, now you're getting it.

[Friendly]

Hmm, as a lawyer, I would say your 'evidence' is shaky at best. If I was being kind.

Just ignore Skykid like I do; he's a very outspoken person and not very bright, an unfortunate combination. Furthermore, Sony raped his mother and killed his father. Hence the understandable hatred, which twisted his rather limited mind in such a way that he now believes that anyone who claims to enjoy Sony's products must obviously be paid. While this is amusing for a while it eventually becomes annoying, like a pesky fly that refuses to go away.

@Jonathan Ingram
Et tu, Brute?

[Skykid]

Hmm, as a lawyer, I would say your 'evidence' is shaky at best. If I was being kind.

Just ignore Skykid like I do; he's a very outspoken person and not very bright, an unfortunate combination. Furthermore, Sony raped his mother and killed his father. Hence the understandable hatred, which twisted his rather limited mind in such a way that he now believes that anyone who claims to enjoy Sony's products must obviously be paid. While this is amusing for a while it eventually becomes annoying, like a pesky fly that refuses to go away.

He wasn't even talking to me. What a dumbass.

[Friendly]

In other news, Ragnarok Odyssey has just been released.



http://www.ragnarokodysseyvita.com/

[Friendly]

First Demon Gaze trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUfE-uS2GMM

[Friendly]

French Vita ad:



http://updates.kotaku.com/post/34746962 ... -with-four

[Cuilan]

My copy of Ragnarok Odyssey should be arriving later today.

[Jonathan Ingram]

You see, now you're getting it.

I just want a sig like yours.

Hmm, as a lawyer, I would say your 'evidence' is shaky at best. If I was being kind.

So, instead of admitting that you don`t follow the industry and know nothing about the state of Sony`s development studios you decided to resort to this "I`m a lawyer" bullshit? What a lame way out of a conversation.

My copy of Ragnarok Odyssey should be arriving later today.

Will be getting mine next week. Won`t be able to play it though, just like I can`t play Zero Escape and New Little King`s Story right now(even though I want to badly). I`m on OFW 1.80 and I`ll lose the ability to play PSP backups and run emulators if I upgrade to 1.81.

[gct]

Why don't you update your OFW?

If you want to play pirated PSP games, a 2nd-hand PSP-3000 is what, $50?

Ys Celceta will be the system seller for me. I hope it gets a localization.

[ZellSF]

1: He doesn't necessarily want to play pirated games.
2: PSP doesn't have "dat OLED", or "dat d-pad" (edit: or mappable right analog stick), he could get one, but he will have a worse experience playing his PSP games.

If an exploit shows up I'm really considering doing the same thing myself, since I do want to play Valkyria Chronicles III on it when the fan translation is finished.

How does PSP 16-bit dithering look on the Vita btw?


I ended up buying the Vita Starter Kit, I think I can manage with 4 GB of memory and I wanted the other stuff in the kit. I'll just use it for PSP games I'm currently playing (which will be just Corpse Party Book of Shadows and Valkyria Chronicles III), DLC (Wipeout 2048 has a lot of it though) and patches.

Music and video I figure my phone is better at. Yes the Vita has a better screen for video, but I *need* soft subtitles and apparently the Vita doesn't support that. Doesn't the Vita support playing back content from a network in some way anyway?

[Jonathan Ingram]

1: He doesn't necessarily want to play pirated games.
2: PSP doesn't have "dat OLED", or "dat d-pad" (edit: or mappable right analog stick), he could get one, but he will have a worse experience playing his PSP games.

This pretty much. It`s hard to go back to PSP`s ghosting LCD after OLED. No benefit of second analog, touchscreen(I mapped 'start' and 'select' buttons to it) and bilinear filtering either.

How does PSP 16-bit dithering look on the Vita btw?

Not as apparent as on PSP`s screen, but still present. Bilinear filtering helps a lot with it. I think getting rid of it completely can only be done through re-rendering the image on a hardware level(which Vita`s PSP emulator obviously doesn`t do), but I may be wrong here. JCPSP completely eliminates dithering if you use the hardware renderer.