Osama Bin Laden is dead

[Skykid]

are in on the scam?

thanks for confessing skykid.

You too mate.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

can we get a head count on the people who believe bin Laden's wives are in on the scam?

Thats if they really are Bin Lid's wives

[antron]

Bin Laden, remember, he blew up those big towers

finally you admit it.

[antron]

can we get a head count on the people who believe bin Laden's wives are in on the scam?

Thats if they really are Bin Lid's wives

it has been stated by Pakistan that they will be released. anyone who is holding on until "all the facts are in" is kidding themselves.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

True, this would never happen but when they are released and the wider world / media gets a good look at them, it would go some way to ease my doubts as to if they really are OBL wives

[jpj]

i believe bin laden was killed in the raid, because as far as i can see all the other alternatives are far-fetched and don't make any kind of sense (with the exception that he was there and captured rather than killed - i'm not fussed either way on that one)

[Skykid]

can we get a head count on the people who believe bin Laden's wives are in on the scam?

Thats if they really are Bin Lid's wives

it has been stated by Pakistan that they will be released. anyone who is holding on until "all the facts are in" is kidding themselves.

You mean until all the 'evidence' is in - facts aren't facts if there's nothing behind them

Putting the sentence into its proper context it doesn't sound so bizarre does it:

"Anyone who is holding on until "all the evidence is in" is kidding themselves."

Not really. You could call it being conservative or apprehensive. Either way, seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[GaijinPunch]

I just dont trust any government, none of them give a shit about telling the truth unless its in their own intrests to do so.

No government is trustworthy. They're also not savvy enough to pull off some grand lie and keep it under wraps for that long. Even Wikileaks has come up with anything very revealing -- it's mainly ill will from politician/government A to politician/government B.

[austere]

"Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play."

"The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it."

Joseph Paul Goebbels

[GaijinPunch]

"Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play."

"The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it."

Joseph Paul Goebbels

Yeah, like the holocaust & the moon landing.

[austere]

Nice strawmen, thankfully a lot of people here don't have the intellectual maturity of a 12 year old.

[BulletMagnet]

"Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play."

These days (at least around where I'm at) the media is more of a mouthpiece for private enterprise than anything else, since most networks and other outlets are owned and run by corporations...of course, the latter and the government DO play footsies a lot more often than I'd like, but that's less "conspiratorial" than "yeah, so what if we are? You gonna do something about it?".

[austere]

These days (at least around where I'm at) the media is more of a mouthpiece for private enterprise than anything else

Yup and like you said, the government is basically a tool of corporations a lot of the time. You vote in one of two guys with different hats and they get paid off by the same companies and serve their interests.

Anyway, press wise, it's quite likely Operation Mockingbird was a real (or at least has a strong basis given the positions of people who have allured to its existence as well as some verification from the "family jewels" release, though the extent of it is probably impossible to confirm) CIA operation fight off communism for example and just look at how quickly the press took the gulf of Tonkin "incident", turned it into a reality and kicked off the war in vietnam into full gear. That one was a huge lie but everyone believed it, so the argument that the government would be scared of the consequences of lying doesn't hold water historically.

The allusions by some that Wikileaks change anything is equally amusing. I really believed in Wikileaks and poured quite a bit of money into the project, but it turned out that Julian Assange is a white hat media whore.

[Ex-Cyber]

"Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play."

These days (at least around where I'm at) the media is more of a mouthpiece for private enterprise than anything else, since most networks and other outlets are owned and run by corporations...

Not to mention that even if there weren't a huge conflict of interest in e.g. GE owning NBC, viewers/readers aren't the customers; advertisers are. Viewers/readers are the product. What goes on the screen is eyeball bait first and information second, so anything too complex, boring, or foreign won't make the cut.

[PROMETHEUS]

Yup, I agree with bulletmagnet too.

[GaijinPunch]

Nice strawmen, thankfully a lot of people here don't have the intellectual maturity of a 12 year old.

Don't mistake the gift of sarcasm. It's what makes us great. You will lead a far more fruitful life.

But you're wrong... unless our definition of "lot" is very different.

These days (at least around where I'm at) the media is more of a mouthpiece for private enterprise than anything else, since most networks and other outlets are owned and run by corporations...of course, the latter and the government DO play footsies a lot more often than I'd like, but that's less "conspiratorial" than "yeah, so what if we are? You gonna do something about it?".

Yup and like you said, the government is basically a tool of corporations a lot of the time.

He said the media, not the government.

[austere]

Don't mistake the gift of sarcasm for lack of intellect.

I did say intellectual maturity, not intellect.

He said the media, not the government.

Read the rest of his post. His estimate of the extent (footsies rather than writing entire bills and shoving it on reps/senator's desks and obtaining bipartisan approval) of the collaboration may not be the same as mine, but it is essentially the same observation.

[GaijinPunch]

Don't mistake the gift of sarcasm for lack of intellect.

I did say intellectual maturity, not intellect.

That too.

He said the media, not the government.

of the collaboration may not be the same as mine, but it is essentially the same observation.

I did. I don't equate playing footsies as the same caliber of 'being a mouthpiece for'. My bad.

[BryanM]

We are at war with the desert. We've always been at war with the desert.

I always felt his faith was for political gain. That's not for me to say really

His pandering is well documented. He was out-Jesused one time and vowed never to be out-Jesused again.

This demographic had to contribute to Obama's victory. Jesus walked with him, but not with McCain.

Also: McCain once called his wife a cunt in front of some people.

I know they're fictional characters, sock puppets really, and not real people, but I find this kind of stuff lulzy.

[Skykid]

Also: McCain once called his wife a cunt in front of some people.

He also came out onto the stage after losing the election to the Days of Thunder theme tune. He so should have been president.

[dcharlie]

I would so like to see Palin at the helm for the hilarity of it all.

[Stormwatch]

Actually they did try to get him alive, but this happened...

[Skykid]

Actually they did try to get him alive, but this happened...

LMAO!

[Siren2011]

He so should have been president.

I am doubtful that it would have made much of a difference from the way things are now.

I'm definitely nowhere near an expert on economics, but it appears to me that the recession is a monster that no person or government organization can reverse. People have been saying for the past three years "the economy is getting better"! I've heard it on the radio dozens of times, and it seems a bit overly optimistic. Plenty of folks are still out of work, and it seems to be getting worse. The company my father searched for a year to find and snag a job with is now talking about layoffs to save money. It sounds weird to say this, but there is no guarantee that I'll be living in this house a few months from now. His ass can be dropped at any time, for stupid reason they can come up with. The whole "we are recovering from this economic hardship" line seems like a lie the media uses to keep the masses from losing all hope and going apeshit. Could you even imagine what that would be like? Just imagine a patient going to the E.R. who is administered anesthesia to dull the pain, but they're in such critical condition that death is inevitable anyway. I believe that this nation is that patient. I think the people in office are salvaging whatever money they can before their term is over, all the while conscious of the fact that they are powerless against the primary problem which they were elected to fix...just my "conspiracy theory". /semi-off topic rant.

[austere]

He said the media, not the government.

of the collaboration may not be the same as mine, but it is essentially the same observation.

I did. I don't equate playing footsies as the same caliber of 'being a mouthpiece for'. My bad.

Oh you did? You may then want to read my post as well and quote this mouthpiece reference from my end that you're finding it difficult to equate to. (hint: I said the government is a tool of corporations a lot of the time, he said the media is a mouthpiece of corporations. The two statements are not transitive. I know this doesn't detract from your point, but still, at least read my posts to other people before injecting your comments.)



Am I doing sarcasm right? Can the guy with the master degree help me out? Sarcasm is totally polite and not passively-aggressive at all -- it enriches the soul and soothes the throat!

Actually they did try to get him alive, but this happened...

ROFLCOPTER! Finally, a plausible scenario.

Just imagine a patient going to the E.R. who is administered anesthesia to dull the pain, but they're in such critical condition that death is inevitable anyway. I believe that this nation is that patient. I think the people in office are salvaging whatever money they can before their term is over, all the while conscious of the fact that they are powerless against the primary problem which they were elected to fix

They're not powerless at all, it's just that the nature of the problem is so complicated that most of their electorate don't understand it so there's no pressure from them. And let's face it, these guys themselves aren't too bright either -- those with brains go to business/finance not direct governance. The off-shoring/out-sourcing and general deindustrialisation has destroyed the USA from the inside, under the guise of "upgrading" into a tertiary economy. Meanwhile, hundreds of ponzi schemes collapse and the government has to move in and ensure the debt generated by them does not deflate. I can write pages and pages on this so I'll stop here, but just remember that wealth is rarely destroyed in these situations -- it is simply transferred.

[GaijinPunch]

Actually they did try to get him alive, but this happened...

LMAO!

Haha -- well that didn't take long.

[GaijinPunch]

You may then want to read my post as well

Nope.

Am I doing sarcasm right?

Nope.

Can the guy with the master degree help me out?

I don't have a masters degree.

[Acid King]

Can the guy with the master degree help me out?

You're asking for help from yourself?

I'm sorry louisg, I really love your music, but you've demonstrated that you're about as capable as understanding the arguments I've presented here as you are capable of understading my Master thesis for physics.

[PROMETHEUS]

I know why your post count is so high now GaijinPunch, you can't resist replying whatever to have the last word ! Well we're all like that to some extent, it's the infinite forum debate syndrome.

[Randorama]

Yup, I agree with randorama too.

Who doesn't?!?! (About what, though?)

[quote"GP"]Y'know, Dubya[/quote]

Aw, c'mon, he went from not really winning the elections to a clear victory, of course he believed in Creationism!

Truth is, except for countries in which religion really counts zip, now, a politician has to cuddle the true believers, who invariably are those who always vote. They usually are easily fooled (joke opening...), so it's not a difficult task.