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orange808 wrote:Does your video card support QVGA?
I think so, though I'm not sure. It's an Nvidia workstation laptop GPU, Quadro 1000M. Can't find any specifics about that card and 240p resolution, but it allows custom resolutions and framerates, including interlaced ones, and has been very flexible in that regard. So I figure it's worth a shot.

edit: It looks good. According to Nvidia's site:
Custom resolutions allow end users to the ultimate flexibility to add virtually any resolution and refresh for their display. If users want to use a unique resolution or refresh rate that is not available through windows control panels, this control will let users manually add any mode. The software will perform a check to make sure the end user defined resolution and refresh rate are supported by the graphics card.
And it accepts the 320*240 resolution I set up, so I guess it passed the "check."


edit: OK after some research I think I can pose my question more specifically. The SCART > 4 BNC adapter I use for my SNES has the csync on pin 20, as is apparently standard for SCART (it's normally also the composite video pin, but also used for csync). So the question is whether the sort of SCART > VGA cable I posted:

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would combine the Hsync and Vsync pins from VGA into pin 20 on the SCART connection. Again, here's the item listing for the cable I'm seeing, but it doesn't seem to provide any more specific info.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/361224212922?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT

Basically, can I be sure that the cable will do this:

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And if so, is there any other complication that I'm not taking into account?
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Is there anything wrong with braiding wires together? I was RGB modding some of my consoles and decided to do this on a NESRGB install. Made the overall wiring look cleaner but I'm sort of worried about interference or something now that I think about it. Twisted pairs are a thing but I braided the RGB wires together that are going to my jack. Kind of thinking that may not have been the best idea but I honestly have no clue. Thanks guys.
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A buddy of mine has a Sony Trinitron KV-XA29M31 crt and is wondering how he can get his PAL GameCube running RGB on it before he goes out and gets something like the RGB cable from retro gaming cables. It has no SCART inputs, but it does have component (DVD input, according to the TV). Would it be a simple case of getting a SCART to component converter, or would there be an issue with the TV not accepting an RGB signal and having to fully convert it to YPBPR?
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If the tv accepts PAL then a simple scart rgb to component transcoder would work. If it's an ntsc only tv it might not be that simple.
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Einzelherz wrote:If the tv accepts PAL then a simple scart rgb to component transcoder would work. If it's an ntsc only tv it might not be that simple.
Yeah it's PAL. Those transcodes are those little converter boxes like this, right?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SEGA-SCART-t ... yF2RvMlcww
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Chomolonzo wrote:
Einzelherz wrote:If the tv accepts PAL then a simple scart rgb to component transcoder would work. If it's an ntsc only tv it might not be that simple.
Yeah it's PAL. Those transcodes are those little converter boxes like this, right?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SEGA-SCART-t ... yF2RvMlcww
Yes. That's a CSY-2100 clone - I have two. They're decent, but not ideal. You have to modify them to get audio out and have to tweak them to get the colors right. The current go to for rgb-component conversion is by Shinybow.

http://www.ani-av.com/shop/mobile_produ ... cts_id=220

It doesn't have the above listed faults and is well reviewed. I don't know if it's available wherever you are, but I personally am planning on picking one up.
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I figure I'll have to make a thread for this anyway but, I'll try here first.


How do the Lumagen Radiance units (XD on up to present) compare to the DVDO Duo for SD movies/TV (outputting 1080p)? I'm fond of the VP30+ABT102 output and its overall detail/sharpness so I'm leaning toward the Duo (presuming there aren't glaring errors with the CMS).
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I never thought that the Radiance units were particularly good in SD processing. Yes, the film mode is ultra solid and the video mode is good, but comared the DVDOs you were always lacking a certain punch to the pictures. The Radiance units are maybe better with mediocre SD material, but with a good DVD the DVDOs are visibly better.
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Fudoh wrote:I never thought that the Radiance units were particularly good in SD processing. Yes, the film mode is ultra solid and the video mode is good, but comared the DVDOs you were always lacking a certain punch to the pictures. The Radiance units are maybe better with mediocre SD material, but with a good DVD the DVDOs are visibly better.
Thanks for the quick response. Are there any bugs to worry about with the Duo?
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Lord of Pirates wrote:
Fudoh wrote:I never thought that the Radiance units were particularly good in SD processing. Yes, the film mode is ultra solid and the video mode is good, but comared the DVDOs you were always lacking a certain punch to the pictures. The Radiance units are maybe better with mediocre SD material, but with a good DVD the DVDOs are visibly better.
Thanks for the quick response. Are there any bugs to worry about with the Duo?
The Duo and Edge are essentially the same. The Duo should have the 20ms NTSC N64, PC Engine, and Saturn lag bug.
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Can the official GameCube D-Terminal cable that's been modified for VGA support 480i and 240p along with 480p?
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orange808 wrote:
Lord of Pirates wrote:
Fudoh wrote:I never thought that the Radiance units were particularly good in SD processing. Yes, the film mode is ultra solid and the video mode is good, but comared the DVDOs you were always lacking a certain punch to the pictures. The Radiance units are maybe better with mediocre SD material, but with a good DVD the DVDOs are visibly better.
Thanks for the quick response. Are there any bugs to worry about with the Duo?
The Duo and Edge are essentially the same. The Duo should have the 20ms NTSC N64, PC Engine, and Saturn lag bug.
Good to know, thanks. I only plan on using it for DVDs, BDs, and newer consoles.
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A question for Genesis model 1 experts. Is it possible to bypass or disable the headphone volume slider, in order to get a nice fixed-volume (line level?) output?
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linko9 wrote:
orange808 wrote:Does your video card support QVGA?
I think so, though I'm not sure. It's an Nvidia workstation laptop GPU, Quadro 1000M. Can't find any specifics about that card and 240p resolution, but it allows custom resolutions and framerates, including interlaced ones, and has been very flexible in that regard. So I figure it's worth a shot.

edit: It looks good. According to Nvidia's site:
Custom resolutions allow end users to the ultimate flexibility to add virtually any resolution and refresh for their display. If users want to use a unique resolution or refresh rate that is not available through windows control panels, this control will let users manually add any mode. The software will perform a check to make sure the end user defined resolution and refresh rate are supported by the graphics card.
And it accepts the 320*240 resolution I set up, so I guess it passed the "check."
I'd love to know how you get on/got on with this part. I assume you're using windows? I had trouble with a Quadro FX 880m laptop, but did get things working in the end with a combination of CRU and EDID emulation. Either one by itself was not enough, and in fact I managed to lock out my windows install a few times - I think it had to do with delivering a mode the built-in LCD couldn't handle, and that the driver couldn't auto-modify correctly - Sailorsat's 800x600@50i mode. As in, the NVidia driver didn't want to find 480i and turn that to 480p when a higher res, closer-to-native mode was available. Which as it turns out the primary can't handle, and doing that to a windows laptop normally bluescreens it. I fixed this by adding a 1024x768 mode to the EDID, but I suspect a sole 480i mode as the only option would also have worked.

TBC, this EDID emulation is lower level than the windows EDID overrides that programs like CRU use, AFAIK. Windows gets told it's receiving an EDID, and can't tell it from the real thing. The feature is only available on Nvidia Quadro cards, sadly. Someone should hack that like Calamity did for AMD ;)

If you're getting NVCP to accept the modes you enter, and the dot-clocks and scan rates look ok, then you might already be good (I had trouble with that.) My Quadro has a pixel clock limit though, and the drivers have a built-in scanrate check that the CP doesn't. There's nothing stopping you setting a 480i mode in CRU either, for example, but the GPU won't deliver it and will go for 480p instead, as being the nearest mode that passes the check.

If you're having trouble, you could check my posts in this thread - http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.p ... 839.0.html


I have no idea about your cable, though, sorry. It might combine the syncs, or it might expect/deliver composite sync, which some GPU's used to be able to deliver, as I understand it. The option may still show up in CCC, i'm not sure.
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I don't know a lot about video signals, so sorry for the stupid question - but is any 15khz VGA signal automatically compatible with a standard RGB SCART input in a consumer TV? Or would I need to combine the sync signals or whatever?
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buttersoft wrote:I'd love to know how you get on/got on with this part.
Well I ordered the cable to see, I'll let you know how it goes. Do have a minor update: borrowed a VGA > 4 BNC cable to see if it happened to have csync on the sync cable. It did not, must have been either H or V sync only. But good news is I was able to successfully hook my laptop to my monitor and display a picture with seemingly proper colors, but very out of sync. So I think that's a good sign.
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Sumez wrote:I don't know a lot about video signals, so sorry for the stupid question - but is any 15khz VGA signal automatically compatible with a standard RGB SCART input in a consumer TV? Or would I need to combine the sync signals or whatever?
15 kHz VGA is kind of a misnomer since VGA is 31 kHz+, but lots of people have taken an RGBHV signal and combined the two syncs to get composite sync (which then works with RGB SCART).
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bobrocks95 wrote:
Sumez wrote:I don't know a lot about video signals, so sorry for the stupid question - but is any 15khz VGA signal automatically compatible with a standard RGB SCART input in a consumer TV? Or would I need to combine the sync signals or whatever?
15 kHz VGA is kind of a misnomer since VGA is 31 kHz+, but lots of people have taken an RGBHV signal and combined the two syncs to get composite sync (which then works with RGB SCART).
So a D-Terminal cable modified for VGA will only output 480p?
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I believe it would output 480i, the question is what do you have with a VGA input that will accept 480i?
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bobrocks95 wrote:I believe it would output 480i, the question is what do you have with a VGA input that will accept 480i?
Nothing. Just theorizing. VGA to BNC adaptor?
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I use one of those myself in fact with my Extron VGA switch. The D-Terminal cable is just as rare as the component cables, so information is pretty scarce on any mods to it. I know there are tutorials in various places, but I don't know if any explicitly mention 480i support.
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bobrocks95 wrote:I use one of those myself in fact with my Extron VGA switch. The D-Terminal cable is just as rare as the component cables, so information is pretty scarce on any mods to it. I know there are tutorials in various places, but I don't know if any explicitly mention 480i support.
The VGA-modded D-Terminal cable is already premade by someone for $150.

Not sure if I should buy. I already have 2 GCN component cables.
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bobrocks95 wrote:but I don't know if any explicitly mention 480i support.
It would be strange if the D-Terminal cable was not able to output 480i simply because the Gamecube's menu always uses that mode. Nintendo wouldn't force people to re-cable their console or change their TV's input just to be able to manage the saves on their memory card.
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bobrocks95 wrote:I believe it would output 480i, the question is what do you have with a VGA input that will accept 480i?
Don't most capture cards support interlaced video via "VGA"?
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After weeks and weeks of delays I'm finally close to having my retro setup completely hooked up. One issue, however... I have the audio from my extron crosspoint coming out from the Phoenix terminal to one of my receiver inputs to play through my speakers. Doesn't matter what volume level I turn the receiver to, sound from my consoles is always at maximum. Must be something to do with how I've wired the Phoenix to rca cable, but has anyone come across this before? Also if this doesn't make sense I've just had surgery and I'm still a bit drugged :/
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kaiza wrote:Does anyone know if this TV (Philips 30PW850H37A) is any good? I was trying to find out if there is significant input lag but can't find much online.
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Chomolonzo wrote:After weeks and weeks of delays I'm finally close to having my retro setup completely hooked up. One issue, however... I have the audio from my extron crosspoint coming out from the Phoenix terminal to one of my receiver inputs to play through my speakers. Doesn't matter what volume level I turn the receiver to, sound from my consoles is always at maximum. Must be something to do with how I've wired the Phoenix to rca cable, but has anyone come across this before? Also if this doesn't make sense I've just had surgery and I'm still a bit drugged :/
Hey whats up man, glad the Crosspoint setup is coming along. My setup is also almost complete, I still have not gotten to the audio portion yet, so I am living vicariously through you for now.

As for the problems you are experiencing, give this a glance when you get the chance (manual), check out page / section 2-6, it sounds like your sound dB is set to maximum, a simple factory reset should fix it. You can also manually adjust the audio gains by hand as it says so in the manual.

I'm looking for some db9 serial to usb adapters at work so I can go through mine through the serial connection and possibly use the software made for these things, other than through Telnet. Looks like it has a nice little GUI with it, not sure if anyone has a link to the software? It might be limited to those who have accounts with Extron :/
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Unseen wrote:
bobrocks95 wrote:but I don't know if any explicitly mention 480i support.
It would be strange if the D-Terminal cable was not able to output 480i simply because the Gamecube's menu always uses that mode. Nintendo wouldn't force people to re-cable their console or change their TV's input just to be able to manage the saves on their memory card.
That makes sense, but I was talking specifically about a VGA mod for the D-Terminal cables. There's some pin on the MX chip that you connect to ground that switches the signal to RGBHV, I don't know if it enforces 480p since it may or may not have ever been intended to be used.
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GeneraLight wrote:
bobrocks95 wrote:I use one of those myself in fact with my Extron VGA switch. The D-Terminal cable is just as rare as the component cables, so information is pretty scarce on any mods to it. I know there are tutorials in various places, but I don't know if any explicitly mention 480i support.
The VGA-modded D-Terminal cable is already premade by someone for $150.

Not sure if I should buy. I already have 2 GCN component cables.
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@Kaiza,

What's the aspect ratio on that thing? 4:3 and you should be good to go. 16:9? 720p/1080i capable? Then it will upscale 15kHz content (240p/480i) and will lag. I've heard there are widescreen 15kHz native consumer sets, but never been able to confirm. Most companies made sure to advertise features like 100Hz, HD, etc. with badges on the front bezel, but I can't see any on that one. Which doesn't mean much, TBH.

You might do better in terms of less lag for PS3 i.e. higher resolutions like 720p/1080i, but once the manufacturers discovered digital processing, no set was safe.

As you're finding, it can be difficult to unearth information on this.
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