DoDonPachi Saidaioujou coming to Xbox 360 (REGION-FREE!)

[EmperorIng]

To be honest, I think CAVE has the right idea in trying to sucker in a larger potential fan/customer base. I'm just not sure they'll be able to succeed without partially alienating their existing supporters, if they succeed at all.

Well this forum is as vocal a minority as they come, so we shouldn't be considered the prime targets of any console-port features.

[Despatche]

please do not compare the sdoj overflow bug to either the mushi 1.5 counterstop (or any counterstop ever) and especially not pink sweets infinite lives. pick a better analogy.

the only reason people have gone on about this thing is because they don't understand the concept of "challenge" and they're struggling to fill that void. it's not working. cut it out already.

[O. Van Bruce]

To be honest, I think CAVE has the right idea in trying to sucker in a larger potential fan/customer base. I'm just not sure they'll be able to succeed without partially alienating their existing supporters, if they succeed at all.

Well this forum is as vocal a minority as they come, so we shouldn't be considered the prime targets of any console-port features.

It's just the same thing as allways. I wasn't here, but I'm sure something like this happened when Daifukkatsu was announced: people bitching about "Lolis on muh mechanical cool bosses". Then the arcade and the port came out and everybody became silent...

[Skykid]

To be honest, I think CAVE has the right idea in trying to sucker in a larger potential fan/customer base. I'm just not sure they'll be able to succeed without partially alienating their existing supporters, if they succeed at all.

Well this forum is as vocal a minority as they come, so we shouldn't be considered the prime targets of any console-port features.

It's just the same thing as allways. I wasn't here, but I'm sure something like this happened when Daifukkatsu was announced: people bitching about "Lolis on muh mechanical cool bosses". Then the arcade and the port came out and everybody became silent...

Actually they got even more vocal.

[Cagar]

Why the FUCK do people whine so much?
The lolis do not affect your gameplay, it has nothing to do with core mechanics of the game. If they're too cute for your MANLINESS, then the game is probably not for you, fuck off and stop crying, because it doesn't help anything. I don't watch or like anime, and I still don't give a shit even if the girls were completely naked. Why would it matter? I don't have to start smoking near my friends or family members because I want to look cool, and I don't even want to be a friend or family member (or in any other relationship) with someone who thinks cartoon-girls have something to do with pedophilia. That is just stupid.

Serious question to all whiners, ask yourself which matters more:
a) Good technical design
b) Theme and setting

This is childishness has no limits.

EDIT: BTW, I changed my avatar as a protest against all this pedophile stupidity.

I'm just looking forward to dodging some bullets and getting high scores.

[Special World]

Why the FUCK do people whine so much?
The lolis do not affect your gameplay, it has nothing to do with core mechanics of the game. If they're too cute for your MANLINESS, then the game is probably not for you, fuck off and stop crying, because it doesn't help anything. I don't watch or like anime, and I still don't give a shit even if the girls were completely naked. Why would it matter? I don't have to start smoking near my friends or family members because I want to look cool, and I don't even want to be a friend or family member (or in any other relationship) with someone who thinks cartoon-girls have something to do with pedophilia.

Serious question to all whiners, ask yourself which matters more:
a) Good technical design
b) Theme and setting

This is childishness has no limits.

EDIT: BTW, I changed my avatar as a protest against all this pedophile stupidity.

You know, I feel the same way, that it's really stupid to judge a game based on the fact that it's a little bit cutesy and anime.

But then I think about games like Gears of War, Call of Duty, Shank, and Bulletstorm, that put me off so much (at least in part) for how stereotypically masculine and stupid they are. I'd probably tolerate them if they had the best gameplay of all time, but I still really can't stand the aesthetic they have going on. It's all just a matter of taste.

[Hagane]

Serious question to all whiners, ask yourself which matters more:
a) Good technical design
b) Theme and setting

C) Good technical design and interesting theme and setting.

Some people care about both. I don't see how that could be surprising to anyone.

[Cagar]

Serious question to all whiners, ask yourself which matters more:
a) Good technical design
b) Theme and setting

C) Good technical design and interesting theme and setting.

Some people care about both. I don't see how that could be surprising to anyone.

Aaaaaaand the question was:
which matters more?

Bonus question: Which does CAVE focus on more? Are they going to change their plans & philosophy because few american fathers are not happy?

[Hagane]

That's a stupid question. You don't have to settle for something or the other. There are lots of great games out there that don't have squeaking lolis as the TLB (which also don't have buggy scoring systems, by the way).

A lot of people play the games despite stuff like that (me included), but would prefer something better in the design department. Nothing wrong with that. I mean, maybe the next Cho Aniki could be the best STG ever, but I would prefer if it didn't look like Cho Aniki.

[HenAi]

Why the FUCK do people whine so much?
The lolis do not affect your gameplay, it has nothing to do with core mechanics of the game.

They'd be happy to see their preferred theme get used, similar to how I'm happy to see the little girls in scanty clothing theme.
In theory anyway, in practice it seems more like they have some fundamental aversion against the particular theme. Kind of like if cave had made a hard gay game.

[Udderdude]

Why the FUCK do people whine so much?
The lolis do not affect your gameplay, it has nothing to do with core mechanics of the game.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pandering

[trap15]

Kind of like if cave had made a hard gay game.

They did.

It's called Ketsui.

And it's their best game.

COINCIDENCE!? I think not!

[Cagar]

That's a stupid question. You don't have to settle for something or the other. There are lots of great games out there that don't have squeaking lolis as the TLB (which also don't have buggy scoring systems, by the way).

A lot of people play the games despite stuff like that (me included), but would prefer something better in the design department. Nothing wrong with that. I mean, maybe the next Cho Aniki could be the best STG ever, but I would prefer if it didn't look like Cho Aniki.

It's not a stupid question anymore, if saidaioujou threads consist more crying about the lolis than discussion about the actual gameplay. Some people here tend to put theme much higher than everything else in the game, which is the complete opposite of what cave is doing. Why do they even read, open or more importantly post in cave-related threads? It's pointless.

[Skykid]

Lolis are inherently pedofilic because they depict children as sex objects. It makes no difference whether or not they're illustrated, the intent is the same.

Some people like that, and I'm not judging you until you're convicted of an offence, but others rightly consider it distasteful and would prefer not to have the material represent videogames they enjoy - but they tolerate it nevertheless.

Not complicated. Change the subject and move on.

[Illyrian]

Lolis are inherently pedofilic because they depict children as sex objects. It makes no difference whether or not they're illustrated, the intent is the same.

Some people like that, and I'm not judging you until you're convicted of an offence, but others rightly consider it distasteful and would prefer not to have the material represent videogames they enjoy - but they tolerate it nevertheless.

Not complicated. Change the subject and move on.

This.

Because of the design of this game, when it comes out I can never get my friends to play it at all, because they won't understand and will think I'm a kiddy fiddler or something

[Cagar]

This.

Because of the design of this game, when it comes out I can never get my friends to play it at all, because they won't understand and will think I'm a kiddy fiddler or something

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Good for you, I can't let my friends even know that I want to play it.. they might think that i'm a nerd..

[O. Van Bruce]

This.

Because of the design of this game, when it comes out I can never get my friends to play it at all, because they won't understand and will think I'm a kiddy fiddler or something

Despite being on the "who cares about lolis" side I have to say that I know that feel.

I have 3 friends and I play role with then every weekend. When they saw me playing 2hu and Mushi they inmediatly labelled then as "those games with little girls"...

To get back at then, from since, I've allways played using anime or manga images to represent myself... I've even played some games as a loli... quite an amazing game I had playing as a loli Ravnos trickster I could'nt do much about characterisation though

It's just the same thing as allways. I wasn't here, but I'm sure something like this happened when Daifukkatsu was announced: people bitching about "Lolis on muh mechanical cool bosses". Then the arcade and the port came out and everybody became silent...

Actually they got even more vocal.

Really? I thought that having the game will let then focus on playng it instead of bitching about the girls

[KAI]

To hell with Lolis, Play Ketsui.

[Jeneki]

For the next game, Cave needs the Cho Aniki license? Psikyo already had a ride, it can be the village man-cycle.

Will buy.

[Skykid]

To hell with Lolis, Play Ketsui.

Do not understand your compulsion to proliferate the forum with this material KAI. Pretty confident you can exist here without seeking to transform the place into 4chan.

[Formless God]

My friends label my games as "those games with 2D graphics". Get on my level.

It's sad that nowadays people don't have the slightest idea of what a game is anymore.

[dan76]

Before I knew any better I thought that it was a kind of perverse sense of humour. In that these games are some of the most difficult bastard hard games you can play, and yet they have these ridiculous cutesy kiddie characters - compared to most western games that look tough and brutal (CoD etc.) but are actually very easy. But I was wrong.

Seems like Asada et al push the loli angle which works in Japan, but yeah, I try and ignore it when I'm playing. The actual in game sprites usually aren't so bad.

[CptRansom]

Have no friends -> Play whatever the fuck you want

[Cagar]

How about: Have friends who understand the concept of fiction or video games, or friends who don't decide about their friendships based on what the other guy/girl is playing?

[Skykid]

How about: Have friends who understand the concept of fiction or video games, or friends who don't decide about their friendships based on what the other guy/girl is playing?

You're saying some weird things today. Who doesn't understand the concepts of fiction or videogames?

I don't think anyone is worried about their friendships, more that the questionable sexual content of a videogame can cause someone to judge them incorrectly. All of this is perfectly normal, I don't see the difficulty in understanding it.

[brokenhalo]

the only reason people have gone on about this thing is because they don't understand the concept of "challenge" and they're struggling to fill that void. it's not working. cut it out already.

i think the reason people are going on about this is because it basically reduces the game to "how well can you play stage 5", seeing as 99%+ of your score comes from the bug.

this is something i'd like to see get fixed, but the best way to handle it is to leave it as a dipswitch and seperate the leaderboards. i'm betting the bugged mode wouldn't get played all that much, seeing as world record level scores in the non-bugged mode would require an inbachi clear. definitely more exciting and prestigious than "hey i triggered the bug for .02 seconds longer than you so now i'm on top".

[Cagar]

You're saying some weird things today. Who doesn't understand the concepts of fiction or videogames?

I don't think anyone is worried about their friendships, more that the questionable sexual content of a videogame can cause someone to judge them incorrectly. All of this is perfectly normal, I don't see the difficulty in understanding it.

Read:

Have no friends -> Play whatever the fuck you want

[Skykid]

You're saying some weird things today. Who doesn't understand the concepts of fiction or videogames?

I don't think anyone is worried about their friendships, more that the questionable sexual content of a videogame can cause someone to judge them incorrectly. All of this is perfectly normal, I don't see the difficulty in understanding it.

Read:

Have no friends -> Play whatever the fuck you want

A fantastic solution. I urge everyone to delete the entire contents of their mobile phone directory with haste, and stock up on tinned goods.

[Cagar]

You're saying some weird things today. Who doesn't understand the concepts of fiction or videogames?

I don't think anyone is worried about their friendships, more that the questionable sexual content of a videogame can cause someone to judge them incorrectly. All of this is perfectly normal, I don't see the difficulty in understanding it.

Read:

Have no friends -> Play whatever the fuck you want

A fantastic solution. I urge everyone to delete the entire contents of their mobile phone directory with haste, and stock up on tinned goods.

I didn't mean that as a solution. PM'd.

[Giest118]

You guys are all faggots. Shuri is clearly not a loli. I would sex unironically.

Also, women in anime are five years older than they appear, without exception. True story.

Now can we return to discussing whether Cave/Microsoft/some faggots will be awesome enough to let Westerners play this game?