Ketsui for DS?!

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:29 am

icycalm wrote:OR, you could think of it this way: if you save the money you'd spent for a DS and the Ketsui port you are one-third of the way towards owning the PCB.

More like around 1/6th of the way towards a Ketsui PCB (assuming a $130 DS and a $45 Ketsui DS). They go for around $950 these days, not $750. That is, of course, if you can find one.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:04 am

that's not sarcasm, it's icycalm we're talking about

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:50 am

Arvandor wrote:
ZeetherKID77 wrote:For those of you who hate the brick DS' D-pad: Tape a quarter onto it. Diagonals will work perfectly.
By brick DS do you mean the non-lite DS? Because I actually really like the d-pad on the original DS. It's the lite that has the wonky diagonal problem. And I don't think taping a quarter to it would work. Maybe a dime? But even still I think the d-pad might be too close to being flush with the actual DS for that to work. I suppose it'd be worth a shot though.

My DS lite pad also needs to be pressed very hard. Doing stuff like snaking in Mariokart is really exhausting to my thumb. I guess they just saved some cents on the button quality because hey, everybody is going to use the touchscreen, right? Still I wonder how Nintendo went from something as good as the SNES d-pad or the clicky GBA SP one to something on the level of a MADCATZ PS2 d-pad.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:33 am

Well, I for one am looking forward to this very much. I need a really good shmup for my DS (Nanostray was decent, but the scoring system was broken and those invisible borders sucked), and this looks like it'll be really good.

And though I tend to decry Cave... I must confess I do enjoy Dangun Feveron.

Though I still think the ESPs and 'Pachis are garbage.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:19 am

I can understand people not liking the pachi's, especially if you're not into enemy chaining and shere memorization, but what's wrong with ESPgaluda?

jp · Post by jp » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:02 am

Oh, I just don't like the general gameplay, bullet patterns, enemies, music, level designs, etc. of the 'Pachis and whatever ESP game I have on Mame.

But I do dig Dangun Feveron and Pro Gear. Fairly indifferent to Guwange.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:11 am

Oh, I just don't like the general gameplay, bullet patterns, enemies, music, level designs, etc. of the 'Pachis and whatever ESP game I have on Mame.

I feel the same way about mario. I played the first one, didn't get it. I'm sure the rest of the series sucks also.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:22 am

Zebra Airforce wrote:
Oh, I just don't like the general gameplay, bullet patterns, enemies, music, level designs, etc. of the 'Pachis and whatever ESP game I have on Mame.
I feel the same way about mario. I played the first one, didn't get it. I'm sure the rest of the series sucks also.

If Cave changed their games up as much as Nintendo did Mario you might have a point...

As is, you do not.

But this isn't a Cave bash. This is a "Yay Ketsui for DS!" celebration. So... my opinions are my opinions and me thinks you should leave it at that.

Note: And as I understand it, ESP Ra De is the good best one in the series, which is the one I played and did not enjoy at all.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:23 am

Arvandor wrote: but what's wrong with ESPgaluda?

Nothing. Jp's never played Espgaluda (as he won't play anything on a PS2), so he's basing his opinion off of Esprade in Mame. So in other words, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:27 am

If Cave changed their games up as much as Nintendo did Mario you might have a point...

As is, you do not

How do you know unless you've played 'em?

But this isn't a Cave bash. This is a "Yay Ketsui for DS!" celebration

You're right. YAY! And it was unfair of me to judge your opinion.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:29 am

jp wrote:
Note: And as I understand it, ESP Ra De is the good best one in the series, which is the one I played and did not enjoy at all.

FYI Espgaluda and Espgaluda II play almost nothing like Esprade.

Gotta love Jp's insightful opinions on Cave games. He bases all his opinions around the few games he's played in Mame and DDP on the Saturn, and makes blanket statements about newer stuff based solely on that expert knowledge.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:40 am

Yes EOJ. I've only played Donpachi, Dodonpachi, Pro gear, Dangun Feveron, ESP Ra De, Dodonpachi Dai Ou Jou, Guwange, and... that might be it.

And lets see, I haven't played what? Espgaluda, Mushi, Ibara, and Ketsui?

HMMMMMM... 8 games I have played vs. 4 I haven't. Gee.

Ironically, I even said I was looking forward to playing Ketsui and said I liked Pro Gear and Dangun. I only said I didn't like the 'Pachis (which I played all of) or the ESP game I have.

Thank you for being incompetent.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:43 am

Oh, well that would explain it then. I wasn't too terribly impressed from what I played of ESP Ra. De. in MAME either, but ESPgaluda still stands as quite possibly my favorite shooter. Despite being quite a bit on the easy side (trying to score will fix that up right quick, and the scoring system is nice and flexible).

Jp, you must admit that initially you kind of blanketed the Pachi's and the ESP's like you hated all of them. I can understand your dislike for all the games you HAVE played, but you effectively stated you don't like ESPgaluda or ESPgaluda2, neither of which you've actually played.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:47 am

It was my understanding (from this very board no less) that ESPGaluda wasn't as good as ESP Ra De, ergo, I figured it sucked worse (I believe the sentiment was that the art was lacking, the music wasn't as good, and it was too easy, therefore, it was safe for me to assume I would not like it since I didn't like the other one anyways). I was unaware there was a sequel to ESPGaluda though, since I typically don't care about what Cave is doing.

But, I will say it again, and maybe someone listen:

But this isn't a Cave bash. This is a "Yay Ketsui for DS!" celebration. So... my opinions are my opinions and me thinks you should leave it at that.

Amusingly enough, my comments were meant to portray that I didn't dislike Cave so much anymore.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:01 am

jp wrote:
And lets see, I haven't played what? Espgaluda, Mushi, Ibara, and Ketsui?

HMMMMMM... 8 games I have played vs. 4 I haven't. Gee.

You're missing Espgaluda II, Ibara Black Label, Pink Sweets, Mushihime-sama Futari, Mushihime-same Futari ver 1.5, and Muchi Muchi Pork. But nice try.

BTW most people consider Espgaluda superior to Esprade (I know I do).

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:19 am

I realize it's not a Cave bash, I was just kind of curious as to why you don't like ESPgaluda. Now I know that you only ASSUME you won't like it. Which, whatever, I won't bug you about it. It IS a fine game though in my opinion, and far superior to Ra. De.

I too am excited for Ketsui DS. It'll be nice to have a good shooter on the go that isn't Nanostray. Which is fun and all, just... terribly sub-par.

eight · Post by **eight** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:21 am

CAVE SUCKS!

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:24 am

eight wrote:CAVE SUCKS!

Right on! I haven't played anything they've put out in the past 4-5 years, but ESPrade on MAME told me all those newer games suck anyway! Yeah!!

jp · Post by jp » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:41 am

EOJ wrote:
eight wrote:CAVE SUCKS!
Right on! I haven't played anything they've put out in the past 4-5 years, but ESPrade on MAME told me all those newer games suck anyway! Yeah!!

I love your ability to put words in my mouth.

That, or your complete inability to understand what you are reading.

I just said I didn't like the 'Pachs or ESP Ra De. Which I don't. I'm sorry that gets your Cave fanboy panties in a twist.

eight · Post by **eight** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:44 am

*lol* But you must obey!

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:48 am

jp wrote:
I just said I didn't like the 'Pachs or ESP Ra De. Which I don't.

Once again, incorrect (you're quite good at this!). Here's what you said in this thread:

jp wrote: Though I still think the ESPs and 'Pachis are garbage.

Note the plural marker attached to the "ESP".

roker · Post by **roker** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:16 am

jp wrote:It was my understanding (from this very board no less) that ESPGaluda wasn't as good as ESP Ra De

WHAT FUCKING UNDERSTANDING?

Shouldn't you base your "understanding" on your OWN experience?

Personally I prefer Galuda over RaDe and I know plenty of people that fall in the same category. But I guess I understand people on this forum think otherwise so it MUST be true.

Opinion is fact, courtesy of jp.

(edit: I just realized this post is very ambiguous, take it as you will)

Radiant · Post by **Radiant** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:29 am

it's always the personal taste...some people here say ketsui is great....i still don't like it, some people here say PS is crap, i still like it....

But you should always talk about games you have played and not only know from videos.....

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:31 am

Radiant wrote:
But you should always talk about games you have played and not only know from videos.....

The funny thing is, I don't even think jp's seen videos. Heck, he didn't even know Espgaluda II existed until today. He must be the only guy on these forums who didn't know that.

Radiant · Post by **Radiant** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:46 am

EOJ wrote:
Radiant wrote:
But you should always talk about games you have played and not only know from videos.....
The funny thing is, I don't even think jp's seen videos. Heck, he didn't even know Espgaluda II existed until today. He must be the only guy on these forums who didn't know that.

i don't talk about jp special....f.e. 100 people here hype ketsui, and 60 of them never played it.....

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:50 am

Well for what it's worth, I also don't think Ketsui is all it's hyped up to be (and yes I've played it, I even owned the PCB for awhile). It's far from my favorite Cave shooter. But it would still be great to have a faithful port for $60 or so.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:42 am

Seems the working title is now Ketsui DS, and not Death Label.

fullblownaidzz · Post by **fullblownaidzz** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:45 am

When is this supposed to come out?

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:05 am

GaijinPunch wrote:Seems the working title is now Ketsui DS, and not Death Label.

Right, I mentioned that a few pages back.

roker · Post by **roker** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:17 am

Radiant wrote:
EOJ wrote:
Radiant wrote:
But you should always talk about games you have played and not only know from videos.....
The funny thing is, I don't even think jp's seen videos. Heck, he didn't even know Espgaluda II existed until today. He must be the only guy on these forums who didn't know that.
i don't talk about jp special....f.e. 100 people here hype ketsui, and 60 of them never played it.....

I've played it

and love it

it's one of those shmups that are so intense that it brings a smile to your face