Fudoh's ode to old display technology

[Einzelherz]

Dang. I could've sworn I remember 25" being a common size back in the day, but 27" is all I see. Guess we be better check the inside to find out just how wide that woody is ( )
Though going by what I remember, it's not much more than that monitor. Do Trinitrons go by visible measurements or tube measurements?

Their professionals are by tube so you might have a little bonus.

[FinalBaton]

All consumer Trinitron manuals I came across have them listed by visible screen size

[accaris]

Dang. I could've sworn I remember 25" being a common size back in the day, but 27" is all I see. Guess we be better check the inside to find out just how wide that woody is ( )
Though going by what I remember, it's not much more than that monitor. Do Trinitrons go by visible measurements or tube measurements?

There were 24-inch Trinitrons, definitely. 24FS100 and 24FS120 are the two more common models. The best one is the KV-24FV300. If you ever see one of those, definitely get it!

I don't believe there were any 24-inch models older than the year 2000 or so. If there were, they were extremely uncommon.

25-inch TVs were mainly by Philips Magnavox, Sharp, RCA, and a few budget brands like Orion, Emerson, and GE. In fact, there are a few Sharp 25-inch TVs out there whose tubes can act as drop-in replacements for K7000 arcade monitors.

[KnuckleheadFlow]

And there's several 24" Trinitrons for sale in my area as we speak. Maybe it was 24" I was thinking of being common back in the day. Anyway, thanks for reminding me if that, we'll most likely go with one of those, despite all the available ones being flat (real arcade men prefer curves).

[accaris]

And there's several 24" Trinitrons for sale in my area as we speak. Maybe it was 24" I was thinking of being common back in the day. Anyway, thanks for reminding me if that, we'll most likely go with one of those, despite all the available ones being flat (real arcade men prefer curves).

Be warned: the 24-inchers are missing some of the advanced service menu settings present in the 27-inch models. For example, you won't be able to adjust for a horizontally trapezoidal screen.

[Einzelherz]

Aren't all of the 24 inchers flat tubes?

[goji]

Hey guyz,

Don't know if it has already been treated, but for those interested I tested a downscaler that came with my pioneer PDP v402 :





This thing downscales 800X600 sources to 640X480.

An example with my PC :





Picture quality is great with all the emulators I tested.

[Fudoh]

I got one with one of my PDPs as well, but threw it away after an initial test. What's the point when you can easily set your source to 480p just as easily ?

[goji]

My computer does not output under 800x600, so it's useful for me^^.

[DatPhosphorGlow]

Does anyone know if the BVM-14H1U/BVM-14H5U have the same full range of geometry adjustments that the BVM-20F1U/BVM-20E1U has?

Reason I ask is because I own both a BVM-20E1U and a BVM-D14H1U, however, the BVM-D14H1U has nowhere near the capabilities of adjustments the BVM-20E1U has. I'm hoping that's not that case with the non D series 14" version.

[andy251203]

The non-D series 14" BVMs have the full range of features and utilize the same modular chassis that the 20" BVMs have. Sony cheaped out on the D14's, calling them "viewing monitors" instead of mastering monitors. I guess their reasoning is that the 14" screen size is too small for critical evaluation of HDTV content.

[BazookaBen]

My computer does not output under 800x600.

Yes it does, you just need a couple apps to set it up.

First Custom Resolution Utility to make the resolution:

http://www.monitortests.com/forum/threa ... tility-cru

The the Quickres utility to select the resolution.

https://www.ultimarc.com/download_old.html

[Namingway_PL]

Hello Everyone! I'm new here, and this is my first post. I live in Poland, so sorry for my English I love retrogaming, and I finaly decided to build a proper retro setup, but I need some advice.

I have a PVM 20L2 and a PS2 hooked up to it. I want to make the 480i to 240p trick with the Extron RGB interface. I can buy a 190F or a 109xi.

Will they be any good? And which one to choose? Do I need a cable with a sync stripper to connect the PS2 to the Extron, or any Scart->VGA will do?

[Shining]

Yesterday i picked up a SONY KV-21LS30e crt. I haven't owned a crt in over ten years so i was quite excited. Turns out the lower and upper part of the screen has some kind of color bleeding going on (or maybe it's called something else?). The middle part of the screen is much clearer/sharper, see pictures down below. It's from the service menu and SNES over RGB. I tried a Genesis and a RGB-modded Famicom with the same results. Is there anything that can be done about this?

Upper part of the screen:

Spoiler

Middle part of the screen:

Spoiler

Middle to upper part of the screen:

Spoiler

[ryu]

http://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq/tvcrtpca.htm
http://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq/tvcrtcona.htm

[grumly54]

The picture from my AES has a shadowy effect as shown below. The output is RGB via scart to my PVM 20L5. Does anyone have any idea what the problem could be?

Same issue at home with my BVM. On a PVM no issue. Only AES on BVM.

[Shining]

http://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq/tvcrtpca.htm
http://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq/tvcrtcona.htm

Awesome, thanks! So there's hope

There's also a Sony KV-C27 available in my area at the moment. Should i pick it up? Seems kinda to be the holy grail among consumer crt's?

[Xyga]

There's also a Sony KV-C27 available in my area at the moment. Should i pick it up? Seems kinda to be the holy grail among consumer crt's?

It's said to be one of their best consumer sets of the late 80's yes, I'd definitely grab it if it's in decent condition.
Because if it's wasted it'll hardly be a grail, the thing is damn old.

[Shining]

Well, that sounds rather interesting. Anynone knows how it compares to a more mordern Trinitron or B&O MX6/7/8000?

[MKL]

The KV-C27 like the other Sonys with the AE1 chassis are the best for 15khz stuff (indistinguishable from PVM models like the 2730QM etc.), way better than the late models like the one you have now (which is a 100hz tv btw hence not good). But these TVs are from 1987-1991 and the KV-C27 is one of the early models (1987-88) so to give their best the chassis needs to be rebuilt (cap kit, new flyback etc.). It's absolutely possible that the picture is already good but after 30 years some servicing is seriously recommended. Personally I don't like the KV-C27 because it has a grainwood cabinet (front and rear are plastic though). I prefer smaller models with all plastic cabinets like the KV-X25TA. Oh and note that they don't have a service menu, all adjustments are done with trimmers on the back (rear cover needs to be removed. With these things in mind you can decide if it's the kind of TV for you.

[LDigital]

Can anyone recommend a rgb Scart splitter that I can get hold of so that I can output to two different places at the same time. Those Scart split cables are terrible so I assume I will need a powered distribution device to avoid degradation

[Guspaz]

Does it have to be SCART, or just RGB? Extron's DA2 is $6 on eBay for the HD15 version, and $15 for the BNC version.

[Shining]

There's also a Sony KV-C27 available in my area at the moment. Should i pick it up? Seems kinda to be the holy grail among consumer crt's?

It's said to be one of their best consumer sets of the late 80's yes, I'd definitely grab it if it's in decent condition.
Because if it's wasted it'll hardly be a grail, the thing is damn old.

The KV-C27 like the other Sonys with the AE1 chassis are the best for 15khz stuff (indistinguishable from PVM models like the 2730QM etc.), way better than the late models like the one you have now (which is a 100hz tv btw hence not good). But these TVs are from 1987-1991 and the KV-C27 is one of the early models (1987-88) so to give their best the chassis needs to be rebuilt (cap kit, new flyback etc.). It's absolutely possible that the picture is already good but after 30 years some servicing is seriously recommended. Personally I don't like the KV-C27 because it has a grainwood cabinet (front and rear are plastic though). I prefer smaller models with all plastic cabinets like the KV-X25TA. Oh and note that they don't have a service menu, all adjustments are done with trimmers on the back (rear cover needs to be removed. With these things in mind you can decide if it's the kind of TV for you.

Fantastic, thanks for the input! I'm really tempted to get this one. I'll contact a local service shop and hear what they have to say about it. There's no way i can do this myself.

By the way, how is the KV-C29 different from C27?
The KV-29X1E would be a great option as well, right?

[MKL]

By the way, how is the KV-C29 different from C27?

It doesn't exist. 27" is the biggest size for the models having the AE1 chassis. For the later AE1A/B/C chassis Sony stopped with the 27" and started using 29" tubes.

The KV-29X1E would be a great option as well, right?

That's a mid-90's digital model (it has a service mode). Could be good (these things need to be seen in person).

[Shining]

By the way, how is the KV-C29 different from C27?

It doesn't exist. 27" is the biggest size for the models having the AE1 chassis. For the later AE1A/B/C chassis Sony stopped with the 27" and started using 29" tubes.

Oh, I see. So i went to check it out yesterday and it seems to be in really good condition. It's been in the same home since it was bought new. Turns on quickly and i couldn't see any faults. I only got to test a DVD player through the scart socket (480i or 576i i presume) and it looked really nice so i bought it. Will pick it up tomorrow.

Oh, and i completely forgot to ask. This set supports NTSC/60hz over RGB, right?

[MKL]

Oh, and i completely forgot to ask. This set supports NTSC/60hz over RGB, right?

I use it with arcade boards so it does support RGB at 60Hz.

[Shining]

Oh, and i completely forgot to ask. This set supports NTSC/60hz over RGB, right?

I use it with arcade boards so it does support RGB at 60Hz.

Phew. I read some service manuals and some of them only mentioned PAL/SECAM.

[jhonny_d]

For something different, any advice on furniture that can hold big pvm/bvm?

Is something like the ikea kallax series suitable?
I looked for info on some aquarium forums and found mixed opinions

Modern TV stands are designed to hold only anorexic flat screens

[bobrocks95]

Their website says the max load on a Kallax is 44 lbs/20 kg. So I'm going to say I doubt it would hold anything over a 14" safely.

I do have an Ikea Besta shelf I use to hold an old plasma TV. They can hold 110 lbs/50 kg. That still probably limits you to a 20", but it depends on the weight. A D32 is apparently 95 kg, so you probably need to be looking somewhere other than Ikea if that's what you mean by "large PVM/BVM".

Lots of people use metal racks or carts I believe.

[FinalBaton]

For something different, any advice on furniture that can hold big pvm/bvm?

Is something like the ikea kallax series suitable?
I looked for info on some aquarium forums and found mixed opinions

Modern TV stands are designed to hold only anorexic flat screens

I would check craigslist for crt tv stands if I were you. There are some for sale every now and then. I myself bought a TV stand that was originally paired with a Toshiba 32" CRT, and it's such a good fit with my NEC XM37 Plus that you'd swear they were sold together.