XRGB-3

[BuckoA51]

Is this the golden setup ?

Yes, though you'll save yourself headaches later if you just get an adapter and replace RGB21 with SCART now, as SCART is far more common.

[Ed Oscuro]

Except when you discover "SCART" wired up for JP-21 RGB...or Euro...when you meant the other...just label things right and don't mix up the European (real) SCART pinout with the Japanese 21 pin variety and you should be good. I don't think it's a massive problem to purchase specific SCART cables per wiring type for your XRGB - it's just expensive if you have to duplicate everything with a European SCART pinout-wired cable because you get into other devices. (For what it's worth, I could have gone fully JP21 in my own setup, since I only plug SCART cables into a SCART to BNC breakout cable, which is even less expensive to do than buy an adapter.)

But what's with this weird old (and once expensive) NEC monitor? It probably has bad lag and the quoted response time (16ms! A full frame just on pixel response!) alone is pretty bad for retro gaming.

[brownvim]

Anyone used their XRGB on a projector? There are around 5 projectors just lying around at work not being used. They take VGA, might ask if I can take one home and test it out.

This is the model http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-LB90U.htm

[jepjepjep]

You should check how the sync line is handled on the Doujindance mods. The PCE/Duo offers both c-sync and composite video and there's a good chance that he just uses video (or unfiltered sync) for RGB sync. I had lots of trouble with various PCE systems on the XRGB-3. You might have to run the sync line through the same kind of booster used for the RGB lines. And if that doesn't work, you need to add a stripper (LM1881) to the sync line.

After that, it should work fine. These are really easy mods, so if you know anybody locally who can handle a soldering iron, this will be a matter of a few minutes.

I finally got the tools to open my pcengine duo. It was set up with composite video for sync. I tapped the composite sync from pin 44 of the video chip, but still no luck with B1 mode on the xrgb-3.

[BuckoA51]

PC Engines are well known for being troublesome with the XRGB3. In the end I could only get a stable picture with mine by using clean sync and running the XRGB3s output through an Extron Interface with the sync timing clamped to the sync tip (not all Extron interfaces can do this) and sync converted to composite sync. Don't ask me why this worked, it just did.

[brownvim]

Just tried the projector and the games look awesome, the interlaced shaky effect is greatly reduced too on PS2 games.

The motion looks a lot nicer too than my LCD.

[SGGG2]

A neat little trick I stumbled upon by accident (requires chaining the XRGB into additional upscaler that supports 1080i output. I used a Gefen VGA to DVI Scaler Plus): for 480i field doubled content in B1 set the upscaler you're feeding the XRGB's signal to output 1080i, your display will handle the deinterlacing - 480i scanlines become 240p scanlines and the resulting image retains the same amount of detail! The flickering look is gone too.

This works on a 1080p Samsung Plasma TV, I haven't tried it on my LCD monitors yet. I'm not sure how this compares to B1 480i field-doubling mode chained into a scanline generator since my SLG-3000 has a bad pot. VF4 Evolution has never looked so good!

[Fudoh]

This will likely look different on every display. Really depends on how 1080i video deinterlacing is handled.

[SGGG2]

Works with an Asus VG23AH 24" IPS, my LG D2743 27" IPS monitor says the signal's "Out of Range".

[Fudoh]

Works with an Asus VG23AH 24" IPS

meaning it only works with displays that just do field scaling on 1080i material on their own. Won't work on any "better" TV.

[Laughingman.s9]

What's the best way to connect 480i and 480p based consoles into an xrgb 3/dvdo edge combo?

Should I run them directly into the dvdo edge and bypass the xrgb? Or run them via d terminal component into the xrgb-3 then out to dvdo edge in b1 mode?

For 240p content obviously that's going through the xrgb

Edit: im also considering the vp30 with abt102 card. This is strictly for 480i and possible 480p content, is there an advantage over dvdo edge in that regard? So basically im asking which is better combo, xrgb3 to dvdo edge or xrgb 3 to vp30 and which consoles to run through which upscalers?

[Laughingman.s9]

Double post

[spadgy]

Hey Laughingman.s9. Welcome to the forum. I assume the two posts above were you trying a second time as your first post didn't appear?

That's because you have to wait for approval. Once a member makes their first post, we mods double check to see if you're not a bot or spammer or anything. And then if you're approved, you can post and such freely.

And you're approved. Enjoy!

[Laughingman.s9]

Hey Laughingman.s9. Welcome to the forum. I assume the two posts above were you trying a second time as your first post didn't appear?

That's because you have to wait for approval. Once a member makes their first post, we mods double check to see if you're not a bot or spammer or anything. And then if you're approved, you can post and such freely.

And you're approved. Enjoy!

Lol yeah my bad, I thought there was a problem with my first post and sent a new one

[BuckoA51]

Tried the Extron sync tip + composite sync trick on a PAL source (ZX Spectrum) Can confirm it works fine with the DVDO Edge now, even with a manual AFC adjustment. There's some sync instability to the picture of course, but it works pretty well.

[Laughingman.s9]

Is the xrgb-3 supposed to display 525p when I feed it a 480p source? I'm in b0 mode using dvi

[SGGG2]

525p is the same resolution as 480p. IIRC, the extra lines don't contain any information.

[Laughingman.s9]

525p is the same resolution as 480p. IIRC, the extra lines don't contain any information.

Ahhh, makes sense got you, thanks


Btw, do you or anyone else in here know why I don't seem to be in B1 mode even tho it says I'm in b1 and I'm using vga cables? I thought b1 was basically lag free line doubling mode so max output would be 480p but I can upscale to 1080p in b1 and scanlines won't work.


I cycle power after I set b1 in the menus. When I turn it back on it will say I'm in b1 mode but my tv says I'm in 1080, I can go through all the resolutions by pressing the button on the face of the unit and I can't get scanlines to work at all. In fact it looks basically exactly the same as dvi out in B0 mode except not as sharp and the screen has a light flicker which isn't present in b0 mode on dvi.


Anyone know what's going on?

[kel]

Have you installed the B1 update? It doesn't come preinstalled if I remember correctly.

Just run the update program and instead of choosing the xrgb3full_v2_23e.x3b file, choose the xrgb3_lined_b1_v1_00.x3b file instead.

[Laughingman.s9]

Have you installed the B1 update? It doesn't come preinstalled if I remember correctly.

Just run the update program and instead of choosing the xrgb3full_v2_23e.x3b file, choose the xrgb3_lined_b1_v1_00.x3b file instead.

When I bought it, it came preinstalled with the latest English firmware. Would that have included it? If not then do I have to wipe everything and reinstall the japanese firmware then install the english?

[Fudoh]

When I bought it, it came preinstalled with the latest English firmware. Would that have included it?

probably not.

If not then do I have to wipe everything and reinstall the japanese firmware then install the english?

no, you just additionally install the B1 bank, switch into B1 mode, restart the machine and there you go: B1 along with english menus. The B0 FW includes all the menus, so there's no dedicated "english B1" version.

[plc268]

I figure I'd post this here because I've had several ask me in the past to make one, but I made a translation overlay for the XRGB-3 remote as well. Someone had pointed out to me, that the xrgb3 remote is basically exactly the same as the mini remote, but with fewer buttons. So I took the file I used to create the mini overlays, tweaked it, and made an xrgb overlay.

They're not for sale yet, I still have a few minor tweaks to do in terms of graphics (nothing major), but here's a look at my first run:

[SGGG2]

Can't wait.

[brownvim]

Sweet, I'll buy one when finished

[Laughingman.s9]

Any xrgb 3/ gefen VGA to dvi scaler combo users out here?

I'm having trouble keeping sync on my 240p consoles, the saturn especially. My rgb scart cables are both sync on luma (the other is playstation)

Is there a fix for this? I've tried messing around with settings on both the xrgb and the gefen but can't get consistent results. I'm thinking of getting an extron unit but not sure which to get

would that fix the problem? Or is there some magic setting that would fix the sync? I feel like I'm causing damage to the xrgb and consoles when I keep reseting them hoping to get them to resync


Edit: it's a japanese saturn on a Sony kdl 50w800b if that matters

[SGGG2]

Set the resolution in B1 to 640x480. Try enabling (or disabling) v-sync and inverting H or V polarity. If all else fails try reseting both devices.

[Laughingman.s9]

Set the resolution in B1 to 640x480. Try enabling (or disabling) v-sync and inverting H or V polarity. If all else fails try reseting both devices.

Enabling v sync seems to cause 90 percent of my sync issues so that's a no go lol

I've kept it at 640x480 in b1 since this seems to be the most stable resolution for the gefen do far. Haven't tried inverting polarity but will give it a shot.

Will an extron 109 fix all these headaches? With my 480i/p consoles im not really getting any trouble, once in a while there will be an issue but usually it works on the first try

My ps1 works after maybe 3 to 5x of resync attempts while my saturn sometimes takes up to 20 tries, other times it's good to go on the first attempt, weird.

[BuckoA51]

I definitely didn't have those issues when I used my XRGB3 and Gefen, but I was using clean sync cables throughout.

[Fudoh]

With your particular TV, why choose the Gefen in addition to the XRGB ? I understand you got it cheaply, but on your Sony, I don't see the point.

[Laughingman.s9]

Another thing I noticed is 480p signals look like shit in d1 port compared to interlaced. When I switch my wii and psp to progressive everything looks washed out and the whites are unbearably white, what's that about? I thought the xrgb 3 would just recognize the incoming 480p and pass them through like it does on the dreamcast via vga in the d2 port

With your particular TV, why choose the Gefen in addition to the XRGB ? I understand you got it cheaply, but on your Sony, I don't see the point.

My tv has no vga inputs and I want to use b1 for my 240p consoles