Ketsui X and Daioujou Black Label X - Ports for Xbox 360

Etrian · Post by **Etrian** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:54 pm

moozooh wrote:It's finer tuned for scoring. Chain counter is raised to 5 digits (counterstops at 9999 in White). Extends are transferred to the second loop if you reach it. Hitbox sizes of A and B ships are swapped.

Also, what I've gathered from others' comments is that rank has a smoother curve with easier minimum and harder maximum, making it scale to one's skills better.

In other words, it's a better game for basically any purpose.

Thanks for letting me know! It sounds interesting. Come the time, I will probably buy it as well.

The announce of this getting a release date but not Ketsui still makes me wonder though.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:33 pm

On the BL you can even turn on a single loop mode, where hibachi already appears after the last boss in the first loop.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:30 pm

moozooh wrote:It's finer tuned for scoring. Chain counter is raised to 5 digits (counterstops at 9999 in White). Extends are transferred to the second loop if you reach it. Hitbox sizes of A and B ships are swapped.

Also, what I've gathered from others' comments is that rank has a smoother curve with easier minimum and harder maximum, making it scale to one's skills better.

In other words, it's a better game for basically any purpose.

pretty much

although the point about hitboxes is slightly wrong. in the recent BL dvd they stated this in the booklet. they have since apologised on their website for the printing error - both hitboxes in BL are smaller

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:21 pm

Ha, really? That's pretty sweet of them.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:01 pm

jpj wrote:although the point about hitboxes is slightly wrong. in the recent BL dvd they stated this in the booklet. they have since apologised on their website for the printing error - both hitboxes in BL are smaller

Does anyone have an image of the smaller hitboxes? I think I've seen one floating around, but it's probably not for BL.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:52 am

Strider77 wrote: this way it's back in true low res and tate'd.

Running it through all that stuff (not to mention starting 480p) most definitely disqualifies the "true" part.

henry dark · Post by **henry dark** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:08 am

BL is a lot more enjoyable than the endurance test original version was

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:10 am

BL is also an endurance test.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:01 am

unless you're clearing the first loop it's not a world of difference.

but once you start hitting the 2nd loop you'll never want to touch the regular version again

best bit of the dvd package was that i'd been chatting with GP previously that you can time out the first form of the stage 4 boss for no damage (if you're brave) and theoretically get 50-60mill off the second form ... and a month later lo and behold...!!

black pachi is the best

still waiting for the interviews on gamengai...

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:35 am

jpj wrote: black pachi is the best

Once you go black, you never go back? xD
Problem is, how many people are actually able to reach the second loop to notice the changes?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:29 am

still waiting for the interviews on gamengai...

You'll be waiting for a while. Got a few in the queue, and no sign of a start date.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:18 pm

no probs dude. i know how things get

Jockel wrote: Problem is, how many people are actually able to reach the second loop to notice the changes?

i reckon you'd be surprised. it's easier than ketsui - or at least it seems that way to me.

better game, too

Marshall banana · Post by **Marshall banana** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:24 pm

hirounder wrote:
zap wrote:Which magazine and issue is that from?

FamitsuXbox360 monthly magazine, issue 11/2008.

And here's missing Leinyan ...got scans from Cave thread at 2ch btw.

She's loli Chun-Li; she's so cute. =O

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:30 pm

it's easier than ketsui - or at least it seems that way to me.

Scoring set aside, Ketsui's stage 5 is definitely harder. In fact, other than the bee hive, DOJ St. 5 is somewhat straight forward.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:37 am

jpj wrote:unless you're clearing the first loop it's not a world of difference.

but once you start hitting the 2nd loop you'll never want to touch the regular version again

still waiting for the interviews on gamengai...

what's so hype about the second loop? never made it there in our monthly competition

also, are you talking about the interviews from the superplay dvd? i read them the other day if you want a summary

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:39 pm

in the normal version you start the 2nd loop with 1 life only

and yes dude

if you could post something here or on cave-stg that would be great

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:56 pm

I seriously hope that it won't be a choppy as in that video GP linked to, and that there will be tate. That tiny Yoko window is awful.

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/1218492_1407.html

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:09 pm

Ceph wrote:That tiny Yoko window is awful.

Only if you have a small TV.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:25 pm

Ceph wrote:I seriously hope that it won't be a choppy as in that video GP linked to, and that there will be tate. That tiny Yoko window is awful.

To be honest, this entire quote is composed of nonsense and issues that have been addressed before.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:40 pm

Ceph wrote:I seriously hope that it won't be a choppy as in that video GP linked to, and that there will be tate. That tiny Yoko window is awful.

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/1218492_1407.html

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:54 pm

The window is slightly smaller so it's 720x960, 3 times bigger than the native resolution of the game. Any bigger you would have to anti-alias to avoid it looking horrible.

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:07 pm

And anyway, if it's anything like RFA and Shiki III, you'll be able to expand it as you see fit.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:19 am

Taylor wrote:Any bigger you would have to anti-alias to avoid it looking horrible.

Relatively speaking, it will look horrible anyway.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:45 am

jpj, it'll take me a day or two but i'll post em up.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:02 am

adversity1 wrote:jpj, it'll take me a day or two but i'll post em up.

If you want to do a full translation I will gladly host them, credit you, and all that shit. It's something I always planned on doing (I've read them, and they're quite interesting) but I've just got too much on the plate right now.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:33 am

Running it through all that stuff (not to mention starting 480p) most definitely disqualifies the "true" part.

I could have worded that better I suppose, as far the the sony PVM sees it it's low res.

but honestly it's only running through one item, the extron. I've run DC games through it and it looks fantastic. the results are very good.

I could run the a DC game like marvel versus capcom 1 via VGA to the extron then to the TV and then via a RGB cable in "true" low res and you could see no major difference.

that's actaully a shot of the DC vampire chronical going through an extron > xrgb2 > VGA to componet converter and it looked great. for these 360 games it won't be going through nearly as much as that. either way I think the results are very, very close to true low res and much better than they were before if you are a low res whore like me.

I'd prefer the PCBs in low res for real, but they are so expensive I can't do it now. This is my next best and only choice.

Plus with the 360 it will be no worse than using a XRGB.... it's just a cord going from the 360 to the extron, then the extron to the sony PVM. I'll have to set the 360 to 480p everytime I play it but that's a small price to pay for it to be tate'd (I'm assuming it's going to have a tate mode) in low res.

good results are just going to depend on if these ports wind up line doubled in 480p while tate'd.... then the crappy filtering being able to be turned off ect.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:00 pm

It indeed does look pretty good. It'd be nice to have a machine to calculate the frame delay. IE, if it's any more than going through an XRGB alone.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:23 pm

there is no delay that I've noticed doing this. if there is any added it's no more than an XRGB would.

i mean on a technical level i'm sure there is some kind of delay (even a XRGB adds a delay) but we are talking strictly to the smallest degree. like fractions of fractions of a second. i used Space Channel 5 through it to see if was playable since it was a music game, had no issues.

fudoh would probably know for sure what the math is to the smallest degree.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:16 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
it's easier than ketsui - or at least it seems that way to me.
Scoring set aside, Ketsui's stage 5 is definitely harder. In fact, other than the bee hive, DOJ St. 5 is somewhat straight forward.

glad it's not just me then. i think DOJ's reputation as a ball-breaker stems from people arriving at it off the back of regular DDP. or when there were only two ps2 ports: doj and galuda.

i guess at least with ketsui the difficulty is static, whereas doj will kick your ass harder the better you're doing.

GaijinPunch wrote:
adversity1 wrote:jpj, it'll take me a day or two but i'll post em up.
If you want to do a full translation I will gladly host them, credit you, and all that shit. It's something I always planned on doing (I've read them, and they're quite interesting) but I've just got too much on the plate right now.

that would be wicked adversity and GP

obviously it's the ikeda and HFD interviews i'm looking for - even a general translation would be much appreciated

msm · Post by **msm** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:12 pm

jpj wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:
it's easier than ketsui - or at least it seems that way to me.
Scoring set aside, Ketsui's stage 5 is definitely harder. In fact, other than the bee hive, DOJ St. 5 is somewhat straight forward.
.

i've played them both a lot and am still pretty crap at both but can get to stage 5 in ketsui but only mid way through stage 4 in doj so maybe stage 5 is harder in ketsui but the rest is easier? pretty sure at least stage 3 is harder in doj - well it kicks my ass. not sure it makes a difference that i use the expert ship in doj so hardly have any bombs, recon the extra firepower more than makes up for it though