Fudoh's ode to old display technology

xga · Post by **xga** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:05 am

Mantis128 wrote:Besides the NECs, what are some good 35+ giant CRT TV\monitors?

Your options are a bit limited with monitors 35" or larger. The main options are NEC with their XM37 / XP37 models and Mitsubishi with their XC-37XX models. Mitsubishi also have the Megaview Pro 42" and Sony even made a 43" PVM.

TV's, well there are heaps. Sony, Mitsubishi, Toshiba, Grundig, Blaupunkt, RCA etc. all made TV models 35" or larger.

nissling · Post by **nissling** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:59 am

Mantis128 wrote:Besides the NECs, what are some good 35+ giant CRT TV\monitors?

The Sony HDM-3830 is probably the best of the bunch, at least when it comes to visual capabilities.

xga · Post by **xga** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:36 am

nissling wrote: The Sony HDM-3830 is probably the best of the bunch, at least when it comes to visual capabilities.

The HDM-3830 won't do 15kHz though, will it? It's also widescreen, so technically a 4:3 game is only going to be around 31". Still, I wouldn't say no to one!

nissling · Post by **nissling** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:52 am

Just add a line doubler or scaler and you're all set. I'd take it along with a Framemeister over a BVM-20F1 anyday.

Besides, I've never liked 4:3 in general. I've always had eyes for Cinemascope.

FinalBaton · Post by **FinalBaton** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:53 am

The HDM-3830 seem to be glorious for watching movies. Would love to get one for that purpose

Plus, you still get a 30.7" diagonal picture in 4:3 mode. That's still pretty damn big!

FinalBaton · Post by **FinalBaton** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:17 pm

Mantis128 wrote:Has anyone ever seen a NEC XM37? I can't even find a picture of one, let alone a story of someone actually finding one.

I have a XM37 Plus.

Tacoguy on here as a XP37 Plus.

LDigital · Post by **LDigital** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:25 pm

I have finally found my perfect monitor. The bvm d24. It has none of the issues I kept finding with my bvm20. I have been tinkering not away to make it perfect and The only issue I have is that certain systems will not sync correctly.

Pc-engine
Dreamcast
Raspberry arcade Pi via Jamma

It gives an image with the top Hal of the screen smeared sideways.

I thought the issue would probably be fixable with a sync stripper but my goodness does it not like that. What I get instead is a rolling image with lots of green flashing on all my systems that previously worked perfectly.

Is there anything I can do about this For those other systems with or without a stripper?

LDigital · Post by **LDigital** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:03 pm

Here is how it looks with the non lm1881 cable

tacoguy64 · Post by **tacoguy64** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:03 pm

Try setting the monitor to vcr mode, it has worked for some people.
I had the same issue on my BVM D20F1U when playing the neo aes which i never got working on that monitor.

LDigital · Post by **LDigital** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:43 pm

OMG I LOVE YOU!! that worked. Thanks!

jhonny_d · Post by **jhonny_d** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:31 am

so, I may pick up a BVM crt, but I can't decide between the F model or the G model, any reccomendations?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:35 am

Take the F. The G has limited convergence controls. The tubes are identical though, so if the G is considerably cheaper, it's certainly an option.

AndehX · Post by **AndehX** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:18 am

Fudoh wrote:Take the F. The G has limited convergence controls. The tubes are identical though, so if the G is considerably cheaper, it's certainly an option.

You sure about the convergence controls? My G1E has a crap ton of convergence controls, I wouldn't exactly call it limited lol.

To answer jhonny_d's question. Get whichever one you can get your hands on, and doesn't cost a bomb. They're virtually identical. Only 100 TV line difference between them which is basically impeceptible.

jhonny_d · Post by **jhonny_d** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:00 pm

I was asking because they're at the same price

my main doubt was about the line differences (would prefer thinner scanlines), but if that's not really perceptible I would go with the F

also, what is a fair price for a pvm 27/29 inches?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:56 pm

You sure about the convergence controls? My G1E has a crap ton of convergence controls

I had a 20G1 as well and compared to the 20F1 it had considerably less options. But I have no idea on which firmare it was at, so it's very well possible that a more up to date firmware would bring the options to a "F" level as well.

Scanlines are identical on the two sets.

LDigital · Post by **LDigital** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:00 pm

I bought and sold a pvm 29 for £200 if that's any help

AndehX · Post by **AndehX** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:46 pm

Fudoh wrote:
You sure about the convergence controls? My G1E has a crap ton of convergence controls
I had a 20G1 as well and compared to the 20F1 it had considerably less options. But I have no idea on which firmare it was at, so it's very well possible that a more up to date firmware would bring the options to a "F" level as well.

Scanlines are identical on the two sets.

tacoguy64 · Post by **tacoguy64** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:09 pm

Shoryukev wrote:
AndehX wrote:I actually never realised that using an external camera app was sigificantly better than using your phones built in camera app. Very suprised how close I can get to the screen using my phone now lol
Wow that is rather good! Which app are you using for that? I'd like to give it a try

Haha same I would like to know

AndehX · Post by **AndehX** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:59 am

tacoguy64 wrote:
Shoryukev wrote:
AndehX wrote:I actually never realised that using an external camera app was sigificantly better than using your phones built in camera app. Very suprised how close I can get to the screen using my phone now lol
Wow that is rather good! Which app are you using for that? I'd like to give it a try
Haha same I would like to know

It's called Open Camera

accaris · Post by **accaris** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:19 am

I got a low-hours Sony Trinitron recently, and the screen is horizontally trapezoidal. How would I go about fixing this? I assume I'd have to adjust the yoke, but which way do I adjust it?

Einzelherz · Post by **Einzelherz** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:34 am

You might be able to solve that if you can get into the digital service menu. A lot of more modern sets have them. Just make sure you write down every setting before you change anything.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:30 am

Yeah, the service menu should have a "trap" setting.

nem · Post by **nem** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:18 am

Ed Oscuro wrote:Yeah, the service menu should have a "trap" setting.

Trap works the other way around.

MKL · Post by **MKL** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:19 am

accaris wrote:I got a low-hours Sony Trinitron recently, and the screen is horizontally trapezoidal. How would I go about fixing this? I assume I'd have to adjust the yoke, but which way do I adjust it?

At your own risk!

ThePorkTree · Post by **ThePorkTree** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:00 pm

Hey there. Crossposting from my original thread:

Hey yall.
Just got a BVM d14h1u via eBay from a seller who listed it as tested and who I've had good luck with in the past, so I think this is all user issue. I picked this up locally after payment so shipping damage is a non-factor. I've connected my consoles via RGB on my BVM 20g1u and PVM20N6U no problem, but I seem to be having no luck here.

When I first powered it on I was having issues getting the menu to come up with the BKM, but that particular issue seems to have solved itself(?) As I can freely navigate the menus now. Can you tell me if these settings look correct and other things I might check?

http://imgur.com/RwxeLud

Additionally, the menus button doesnt seem to do anything when the monitor is first powered on. It seemed to arbitrarily work later yesterday, but today it doesnt do anything. The controller itself is responsive, can degauss, power on/off, and buttons light up for various adjustments.

BazookaBen · Post by **BazookaBen** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:03 pm

MKL wrote:

At your own risk!

Ooof, looks like fun

Einzelherz · Post by **Einzelherz** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:54 pm

I need a little help from people with an L5 PVM. As I posted in the questions thread, my 14L5 seems to not be calibrating its different signals correctly. When calibrating through RGB, Component (and s-video, iirc) both have a lot of extra green.

If anyone here has the time, can you give me your service menu settings for the Signal section? I don't need the white balance numbers, just the others.

I suspect there's a filter or something that is affecting the non RGB inputs like the S-video filter I accidentally turned on on my 20L2.

Edit: I confirmed that RGB is the only signal that is differently colored.

FinalBaton · Post by **FinalBaton** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:22 pm

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roachie · Post by **roachie** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:09 pm

Any ideas why the majority of convergence settings would be 'blued out' on a BVM-14F5? Not a bother as the convergence looks nailed-on to me, but still..!

ENFORCER · Post by **ENFORCER** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:13 pm

Einzelherz wrote:I need a little help from people with an L5 PVM. As I posted in the questions thread, my 14L5 seems to not be calibrating its different signals correctly. When calibrating through RGB, Component (and s-video, iirc) both have a lot of extra green.

If anyone here has the time, can you give me your service menu settings for the Signal section? I don't need the white balance numbers, just the others.

I suspect there's a filter or something that is affecting the non RGB inputs like the S-video filter I accidentally turned on on my 20L2.

Edit: I confirmed that RGB is the only signal that is differently colored.

I will grab mine when I get home this eve.

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