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Iran War. When.

2021
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2022-2025
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2026-2030
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2031-2040
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Never
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http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
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It didn't even last an entire day and consisted of a minority of gaslighted morons who sold off perfectly good stocks.
It only takes seconds. Plenty of people made a killing yesterday.
(Talking about the US, here. International markets follow their own trends, and they were betting heavily on Clinton even after internal polls showed a lead for Trump.)
Actually they do not. They are all affected by each other. The only US markets that didn't dip were the ones that were closed.
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Been saying since 2009, that Obama is a complete disaster.
That being said, this really puts it all in perspective:
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Just to summarize the whole story

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If you still don't understand why people voted Trump
The thing is, Trump got 1.3 million less votes than Romney. Clinton got 6 million less votes than Obama.

The biggest chunk of that 6 million came from the the ~15 million or so Sanders voters who just stayed home and let nature take its course.

Trump didn't win this election. Clinton lost it. It's an important distinction to gauge what is possible in the future. Trump isn't a Reagan revolution or any kind of revolution, but he is indeed the result of neoliberalism failing to defend itself. BARELY failing to defend itself with the worst candidate in history.

That's not something to be too happy about, even if you're a social conservative or a new deal democrat.
is that Clinton's method of dealing with things she didn't want to talk about was simply better than Trump's
I'd have to strongly disagree. She'd either deny, keep her mouth shut, and, the worst tactic of all, sprout out incomprehensible word salads when put on the spot. I've lost count of the times I've furrowed by brows while listening to her speak and wondered "are those.... sentences? Valid sentences? Does that parse?" and then go through and study the structure and grammar being used. It was uncomfortably like listening to a Chinese Room at times.

If you just admit to something that's blatantly obvious, it stops being a story because there's no drama left to it. The story concludes and then it dies. Like a missing airliner finally confirmed to have crashed and not been abducted by aliens.

If she was just an Iron Lady who crushed the bones of republicans and made them cry, she still could have won as an acknowledged crook. But they kept trying to PR massage her image into something it could never be: everyone's nice grandma that even those republicans like.
For the harbingers of political correctness, they can't even respect other people's opinions no matter how retarded those opinions are.
The same fucks who talk down to people worried about the fact jobs are evaporating in their little towns are probably the same smug assholes who claimed they didn't "need the votes" of Bernie's people. Look at how that turned out.

What the democrats have to offer those people is pretty shit. Bernie's proposal to people where the coal mines were shut down was $ assistance and "retraining". To put up hypothetical solar panels that don't and might never exist, I guess? It is some weaksauce, as articulated by this one writer:
Consider this: in 29 states, truck driving is the number one job and it is one of the few jobs left that can provide a middle class living for high school grads. What will happen to the 1.5 million families who get their daily bread from a truck driver when all of those jobs are eliminated by driverless trucks? It’s not a matter of if but when. Are we going to teach all those drivers to code or retrofit windows or whatever other pathetic nonsense we’ve held up as a solution? This new reality is upon us. The markets are not going to magically fix it.
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GaijinPunch wrote: It only takes seconds. Plenty of people made a killing yesterday.
Don't doubt it. But compared to what was being forecasted just a week before the election, it was nothing. This was the Al Capone's vault of economic crashes.
Actually they do not. They are all affected by each other. The only US markets that didn't dip were the ones that were closed.
Well, I should've been more specific I guess. I was referring to predictive trends, which can be and in the case of this election absolutely were different. Once internal polls showed Trump catching up right before the election, US markets started to adjust accordingly but international markets were late to follow. But even they're back on the uptick. Not bad for a guy who wanted to ban all Muslims from entering the US (a position now ominously absent from his website).
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So uh, now that Soros has spontaneously activated his sleeper cells across America, any cityfolk feeling the burn yet?
Seems kind of silly to protest in large urban areas where there was a lot of support for Hillary to begin with, as they'll primarily be annoying their own people. That's why bumper stickers exist.
Not even NYC is safe, isn't blocking roads in NYC the worst thing you can do to a New Yorker short of lighting his house on fire?
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It's stupid and pointless. "I'm protesting to let everyone know I didn't vote for the guy who won the election in areas that overwhelmingly did not vote for him either!" I mean, aren't there more... productive avenues for activism? Are they still going to protest 8 months from now when he is actually president? How long can you feasibly say "NOT MAH PRESIDENT!"? Obama is my president even has he shamelessly arms the Saudis genocide campaign in Yemen, for example.

It's part of the consequence of calling a guy literally Hitler for over a year and his "supporters" on "the wrong side of history" and having it spectacularly backfire when you fumble the easiest layup in election history.
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BryanM wrote:If she was just an Iron Lady who crushed the bones of republicans and made them cry, she still could have won as an acknowledged crook. But they kept trying to PR massage her image into something it could never be: everyone's nice grandma that even those republicans like.
Agreed a thousand percent. This is how out of touch the DC bubble really is, Hillary saw how repulsed by Trump the Republican leadership she was having cocktail parties with were and assumed the same sentiment was echoed by their voters. EVEN IN THE FACE OF Republican voters ushering the tea party takeover of the Republican party against the wishes of their leadership. Was she completely sheltered from the pure concentrated hate that had been focused on her by the right for a quarter century?

But those Bernie supporters at the convention were so rude. We don't need them! Tim Kaine all the way.
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An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.

Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
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EmperorIng wrote:It's stupid and pointless. "I'm protesting to let everyone know I didn't vote for the guy who won the election in areas that overwhelmingly did not vote for him either!" I mean, aren't there more... productive avenues for activism?
It's been like 48 hours, dude! What kind of logistics do you expect out of a spontaneous protest without any leadership? Most of them converged on Trump properties so it's not like the message was unclear!
Two working class dudes, one black one white, just baked a tray of ten cookies together.

An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.

Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
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The protesting might not be completely pointless. "Don't fucking work with that guy" worked for the republicans. And democrats love passing horrible things while holding hands with the GOP. If the democrats and republicans agree on something, that's when you know it's really fucked.

I also get the sense some of you might have missed the HillaryClinton.com article on the many ways she's just like your abuela. The backlash on this one was hilariously grim.

Talking about twitter, I've been following Kyle's page a bit during the meltdown. So many rich fucks learning nothing. Everyone's fault but Hillary's.



...I just realized another way Hillary is like my abuela: she'll never be president.
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Don't doubt it. But compared to what was being forecasted just a week before the election, it was nothing. This was the Al Capone's vault of economic crashes.
Brexit was more underwhelming (unless you're solely looking at the value of the pound). Anyone forecasting a total crash before seeing a policy is an idiot, and after having been on the tech side of this industry my whole career, I've learned one thing: nobody knows a fucking thing! Forecasters/commentators are useless. The only thing people can somewhat predict outside of the micro-term is volatility, and that is exactly what happened. Ironic I guess since the forecast for the presidency was Clinton. Poetic, even. But the dip we saw was probably not b/c Trump got elected... it's b/c who everybody thought was going to be elected was not.
Well, I should've been more specific I guess. I was referring to predictive trends, which can be and in the case of this election absolutely were different. Once internal polls showed Trump catching up right before the election, US markets started to adjust accordingly but international markets were late to follow. But even they're back on the uptick. Not bad for a guy who wanted to ban all Muslims from entering the US (a position now ominously absent from his website).
You do realize almost all US markets were closed, right?

Again though, wait until we see policy that can be concretely quantified. Tax policy... Jobs policy... and more importantly, the numbers on those things after they've been in play a bit. That is where the longer lasting dips occur. Has there been any long term drop in the economy for anything less than quantifiably earth shattering? Feeling it jabbed up my ass directly, I can only name 9/11, 2008, and the Touhoku Earthquake in 2011. 2016 has been by all measures, fucking boring.
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You know, the book Listen, Liberal already answered all the "why" questions.

There's no mystery here.
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Now they're floating another turd even worse than Clinton: Andrew Cuomo.
Kyle wrote:This means Trump said some variation of: 'everything I said was just politics to get elected, I'll continue business as usual'
AP wrote:BREAKING: Obama says he was 'encouraged' by conversation with Trump, calls Oval Office meeting 'excellent' and wide-ranging.
Don't worry anyone, Trump isn't going to help working people. I know you thought there was a 0.001% chance but it's now officially 0%.

I'm just as shocked as you are.

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I'm sure Obama will pardon Manning and make Keith Ellison head of the DNC any day now......
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Is it bad that I don't feel anxious, nervous, depressed, or even the slightest bit disappointed about Trump being elected? It's actually fucking hilarious, IMHO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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atheistgod1999 wrote:Is it bad that I don't feel anxious, nervous, depressed, or even the slightest bit disappointed about Trump being elected? It's actually fucking hilarious, IMHO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, yes, the big things come and go but the little things matter more. I would not base your own situation on the results either way.

It merely tells me that $ is the most important asset if you want to run for presidency :)
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I'd recommend laughter to even the most violently pissed off American at the moment.

I've said that this election has been a clown show, and by that standard, it had an adequate punchline. :V
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Minorities and poor people won the election for Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhUXSX3ZnpE

This is just hilarious. Muh narrative.
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atheistgod1999 wrote:Is it bad that I don't feel anxious, nervous, depressed, or even the slightest bit disappointed about Trump being elected? It's actually fucking hilarious, IMHO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Of course you don't, you're clearly not one of the marginalized groups that's going to be fucked by this, and clearly empathy is beyond you.
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I'm enjoying the torrents of liberal tears but I'd personally vote hillary

how am I supposed to feel
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Bananamatic wrote:I'm enjoying the torrents of liberal tears but I'd personally vote hillary

how am I supposed to feel
Pissed off that everything is shit.

But you must also laugh at how everything is shit.

And then loop back to being pissed off because the democrats seem poised to learn entirely the wrong lessons from what has occurred.
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Giest118 wrote: Pissed off that everything is shit.

But you must also laugh at how everything is shit.

And then loop back to being pissed off because the democrats seem poised to learn entirely the wrong lessons from what has occurred.
but I'm not even american, if anything, I should be worried about putin teaming up with trump to try and annex my slavshit country again
I hope they don't pull anything dumb like removing lgbt rights or actually discriminate against groups of people

but seeing arthur chu & others throwing a tantrum like babies after talking mad shit for years makes me hard
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I'm assuming this guy is acting, but i'd like to think some democrat DID learn his lesson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
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If he said "Hillary ran as a republican and Trump was a slightly better republican" then that's a great but really short video Opus.
Giest118 wrote:And then loop back to being pissed off because the democrats seem poised to learn entirely the wrong lessons from what has occurred.
They're not paid to learn or win, they're paid to lose. That's why

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is so unfortunately delusional. One man's going to throw ~220 democrats out of congress and replace them with human beings?

My comment earlier to M^2 about how we've been trying to primary these fucks out decades now and how it has largely not worked at all; I didn't get into it because it'd turn into a giant wall scroll. But one of their tactics is to wear the skin of a "progressive". Lizards like Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi. These lying fucks don't want universal medicare and they never did; they just want that paycheck for a bribe well earned at the end of the day.

TWO people in the progressive caucus endorsed Sanders. Two.

That's why there's only one issue in politics. Approval ratings can't be lower, and reelection rates can't be higher.
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BryanM wrote:My comment earlier to M^2 about how we've been trying to primary these fucks out decades now and how it has largely not worked at all; I didn't get into it because it'd turn into a giant wall scroll. But one of their tactics is to wear the skin of a "progressive". Lizards like Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi. These lying fucks don't want universal medicare and they never did; they just want that paycheck for a bribe well earned at the end of the day.

TWO people in the progressive caucus endorsed Sanders. Two.

That's why there's only one issue in politics. Approval ratings can't be lower, and reelection rates can't be higher.
Look, I don't think I've made any secret of the fact that climate change is my top issue, I think it's an existential threat to our civilization, and it's got a ticking clock.

What I wanted was Bernie's promise of a WWII-level nationwide mobilization to update to a green infrastructure and minimize the damage. Failing that, I had no reason at all to expect Clinton to pull us out of the Paris Climate Agreement, while Trump was promising to rip it up and accelerate the problem by "ending the war on coal."

So during the election when you were talking about weathering 4 years of Trump for a big comeback in 2020 that was not acceptable to me. Time was running out and I was willing to put up with all of Clinton's other weaknesses and have four years of gridlock so long as Obama's carbon-control executive orders stayed in place. Now that we have no other choice, fine! Let's engage on a years-long struggle to get an amendment to get money out of politics and hopefully some new technology will be developed in the meantime to ameliorate the coming storm.

But since I've been robbed of all hope these last couple days, I must admit after all the primaries where Sanders outdid Clinton in the popular vote but still ended up tied due to esoteric delegate math, there's some schadenfreude in seeing her win the popular vote but still lose the election due to esoteric electoral college math.
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Mischief Maker wrote:Look, I don't think I've made any secret of the fact that climate change is my top issue, I think it's an existential threat to our civilization, and it's got a ticking clock.

So during the election when you were talking about weathering 4 years of Trump for a big comeback in 2020 that was not acceptable to me. Time was running out and I was willing to put up with all of Clinton's other weaknesses
It would indeed be super to not have to be the cartoon girl in the burning room.

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Oh, to make you feel slightly less suicidal:
SkepticalScience on the Paris Agreement wrote:Entry into force means that, even if he withdrew from the Agreement on his first day in office, the US wouldn’t actually leave for another four years. Unless Trump won a second term, there would be another president in office when this took effect.
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