Another day, another shooting in the US

[NTSC-J]

Had to resurrect this one for the sake of this powerful short vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B23VnNg ... 7w&index=2
Learn from history.

I liked this part best:



That's like...two totally different dudes.

Also, if you rearrange the letters in "Sandy Hook", you get "yank hoods", which is an obvious reference to the KKK, who were also involved. DEL of course knows more about this than me, but its alarming stuff.

[BryanM]

It's a bit depressing to realize there are people who profit immensely from stories like this, and I'll lean to the side to say it's worse than Toby Keith and Allen Jackson profiting off 9/11. The NRA would certainly love for a big monthly massacre to be a regular thing - much more flashy than the thousand anonymous cuts.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

conspiracy bullshit

Just look at all the videos in the playlist; pure, batshit-crazy nonsense. If there's one thing that irritates me the most about the internet it's how vapid morons can rope in the gullible so easily to this sort of fluff.

shmups are an illuminati conspiracy to make you gay by playing with a stick, ohnoes!11!one

[DEL]

NTSC-J wrote;

I liked this part best:

Yup, that's the only bit of the video that has no meaning for me, and you concentrated on it.
99% of the video shows you evidence of gun control causing massacres in the recent past across the World. Maybe you should consider that evidence instead.

But hey! Time will tell

BareknuckleRoo wrote;

Just look at all the videos in the playlist; pure, batshit-crazy nonsense. If there's one thing that irritates me the most about the internet it's how vapid morons can rope in the gullible so easily to this sort of fluff.

One day....maybe...you'll find out that its quite the opposite of your closed-minded views of the World and the realities thereof.
As I've mentioned before in this thread, ALL Media is controlled by one source, all TV, all newspapers, the music industry, Hollywood etc. All Media. Not that you'll care, but I have this confirmed from the horses' mouth.
Have you ever tried opening up several different newspapers on the same day and comparing the contents? You'll find they are ALL running the same controlled release stories (or to be more precise: non-stories). Spin, lies and their propaganda.
You've been lied to your whole life. I don't expect you to see the wood for the trees.
As for "conspiracy bullshit" - yes most of the so-called conspiracy sites are quite the opposite. They are Govt controlled sites.

[neorichieb1971]

Conspiracy theories didn't kill 26 people with an assault rifle.

The newspapers only tell you want they think is important. Just like Schools teach you what they think is important. Just like your job pays to do the stuff they think is important.

But the likelyhood is that if you want to be successful, make a difference. You'll have to ignore what your taught and find the woods through the trees.

If you follow the rule book to the letter. You'll end up with a gun shooting people, because you'll always be last.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

99% of the video shows you evidence of gun control causing massacres in the recent past across the World.

Talk about late to the party; this nonsensical myth was already addressed like on the seventh page by Ed.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html

And I believe a number of us have already pointed out how silly it is thinking a few people with guns can compete with an entire, well-funded and organized army. The myth of "the good guy always shoots the bad guy" being false also applies here.

[Casey120]

Lets put that vid to the test ....
Gun Control in Soviet union was right after the war of 1914/1918 not just before the next one like the video suggests .
Turkey had genocide long before and after gun control laws .
Germany was forced to gun control by the world to comply with the Treaty of Versailles after the first world war , not in 1939 .
Those where just the first three but I think I just leave it at that and not look further ...

[neorichieb1971]

Those are exceptions. Most countries have strict gun laws and there has been no genocides.

So in America, if everyone gave up their guns its automatically assumed you are unarmed, weak with no ability to defend yourselves from a domestic or foreign foe. Which as pointed will likely cause your mass destruction with a press of a button regardless of if you have weapons or not.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, US citizens are killing US citizens. Which as I have pointed out is considered collateral damage no matter how media wrap it up.

Anyhow I just found out my friends dad has 2 rifles or shotguns (can't remember which). I spoke to him about this, apparently a police officer comes out on a semi regular basis to make sure they are secured. He also stuck up for you Americans stating that if a fight broke out in a gun club in the US it would more likely come to a fist fight than shooting the weapons. I find that a little hard to believe.

If you have guns, you have to consider that anyone owning one or having access to one can have a lapse of control. A moment of despair or rage. At that moment, anyone around that person is likely to become a victim. Thats the risk you take. Meanwhile in other countries, people cool off the hard way admitting they are an idiot blah blah blah.. But nobody dies. Today 32 people died in the US due to guns. I guess nobody misses them, bless their little hearts. I will say a prayer.

[BryanM]

I wish people would just send cash, and stop mailing in physical goods. The latest horror of well-wishers leads to this kind of exchange:

"Sorry your only child was murdered. Here is a teddy bear from a complete stranger. This should help!"

The NYTimes reports that the literal mountain of teddy bears will be compressed into bricks for a memorial. Which is probably more expensive than just buying regular bricks.

[Ed Oscuro]

99% of the video shows you evidence of gun control causing massacres in the recent past across the World.

Talk about late to the party; this nonsensical myth was already addressed like on the seventh page by Ed.

That makes my day, thanks!

The NYTimes reports that the literal mountain of teddy bears will be compressed into bricks for a memorial. Which is probably more expensive than just buying regular bricks.

Egh...what a waste. Are they at least letting local kids take their pic first?

[BulletMagnet]

I wish people would just send cash, and stop mailing in physical goods.

But that's so impersonal to the person you've never met!

[Ed Oscuro]

I wish people would just send cash, and stop mailing in physical goods.

But that's so impersonal to the person you've never met!

I wish people would just do good deeds in their communities. This community has been hit hard and I'm sure they appreciate seeing new faces to help out, but otherwise, I think the well-wishers are just creating logistical challenges for them. Somebody's making money off it, though...

[BryanM]

Something like 800 people to sort and manage a warehouse.

A hella lot of people pulled a profit from this one. Bulletproof back packs, gun sales, stuffed animals... which are all stuffed animals in their own way.

Egh...what a waste. Are they at least letting local kids take their pic first?

Reading it again, it seems like only the inorganic material used in outdoor memorials is getting bricked. The warehouse goods will probably get the Lost Ark treatment.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

I wish people would just do good deeds in their communities. This community has been hit hard and I'm sure they appreciate seeing new faces to help out, but otherwise, I think the well-wishers are just creating logistical challenges for them. Somebody's making money off it, though...

It's amazing how devalued small stuff like holding the door open or picking up something someone dropped seems to be nowadays. Small everyday courtesies or volunteering somewhere can make a big difference.

[Ed Oscuro]

Egh...what a waste. Are they at least letting local kids take their pic[k] first?

Reading it again, it seems like only the inorganic material used in outdoor memorials is getting bricked. The warehouse goods will probably get the Lost Ark treatment.

They're making our food out of teddy bears!

[Casey120]

Finally some sense talked about gun control !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2cBsdye5Uw

[Moniker]

Finally some sense talked about gun control !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2cBsdye5Uw

Ugh.. I can't believe I watched that most of the way through.

[Domino]

Those are exceptions. Most countries have strict gun laws and there has been no genocides.

So in America, if everyone gave up their guns its automatically assumed you are unarmed, weak with no ability to defend yourselves from a domestic or foreign foe. Which as pointed will likely cause your mass destruction with a press of a button regardless of if you have weapons or not.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, US citizens are killing US citizens. Which as I have pointed out is considered collateral damage no matter how media wrap it up.

Anyhow I just found out my friends dad has 2 rifles or shotguns (can't remember which). I spoke to him about this, apparently a police officer comes out on a semi regular basis to make sure they are secured. He also stuck up for you Americans stating that if a fight broke out in a gun club in the US it would more likely come to a fist fight than shooting the weapons. I find that a little hard to believe.

If you have guns, you have to consider that anyone owning one or having access to one can have a lapse of control. A moment of despair or rage. At that moment, anyone around that person is likely to become a victim. Thats the risk you take. Meanwhile in other countries, people cool off the hard way admitting they are an idiot blah blah blah.. But nobody dies. Today 32 people died in the US due to guns. I guess nobody misses them, bless their little hearts. I will say a prayer.

Let me get this out of the way: Americans don't give a shit about Europeans opinions on guns.

You will never understand Americans on their guns since you weren't born here. Americans don't want to become Europe, that's why we are fucking Americans.

I will only support a ban on guns period of the second amendment is appealed by Congress. Until then I give my 100% support to gun rights. I don't need a gun but if you want to own a gun be my guess. Nowadays you can be killed by anything.

[Skykid]

^ If they banned guns you'd still be American. Trust me.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

I will only support a ban on guns period of [sic] the second amendment is appealed by Congress. Until then I give my 100% support to gun rights. I don't need a gun but if you want to own a gun be my guess. [sic]

Imposing stricter controls on assault weaponry isn't the same as a full-on gun ban. Also, European countries do have guns, but they're generally under much more secure control (i.e. for military personnel) and civilians can't get access to assault rifles. That doesn't necessarily mean they're not able to get guns ever, like single-shot hunting rifles and such (which are more appropriate for hunting game anyways than a gun with a 30 round clip). If you're arguing for home defense, a handgun would be far less cumbersome in close quarters than an assault rifle, and much quicker and easier to grab should the need arise.

The point is that there isn't really a need for US civilians to stock up on assault weaponry capable of mowing down ;arge crowds the moment a crazy person steals one and decides to go on a rampage, and it's certainly far too easy for US civilians to acquire them without any mental health checks, or by stealing one from a family member (or, as in the case of the firemen who got murdered, getting an idiot cunt to buy them for you when you're a convict).

[Ex-Cyber]

civilians can't get access to assault rifles

I've heard that American civilians can get access to assault rifles, but it's so expensive and paperwork-laden that only a handful of gun dealers and hardcore collectors actually bother.

mental health checks

I'm still trying to figure out what people mean when they propose this. Is it supposed to be like a pregnancy test, where you pee on a stick and it shows one line for normal or two lines for violent sociopath? Or do we put everyone's medical records in a giant database so that gun dealers can find out whether you used to take Prozac 10 years ago?

[CMoon]

^ If they banned guns you'd still be American. Trust me.

This made me laugh.

But seriously, as a teacher I was thinking about this today because of course there was a school shooting just yesterday and I was wondering how having armed guards or whatever on campus is going to achieve. In every case like this the shooter hasn't had any problem killing themselves...it isn't about surviving, it is about showing the world that how they feel--addressing universal apathy in about the only way it can't be ignored. Having someone else on the campus with a gun might mean that the slaughter can be stopped sooner, but an automatic weapon can wipe out a room of kids in seconds. In other words, it isn't a deterrent at all.

I'm wondering why the schools just don't take the next step and have a metal detector test to get in the school. Ultimately it can't be more expensive than paying for an armed guard and would help restrict a whole array of things that probably shouldn't be on campus. I'm sure there are obstacles to this, but there are obstacles to every possible solution other than ignore the problem and go on. Public schools already do random searches and metal detector tests, so why not just beef it up and scan everybody TSA style.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

So, apparently getting rid of Time Crisis cabinets at arcades is supposed to solve gun violence.

I understand they're trying to be 'sensitive' by removing the games, but this whole business of going after violent video games seems to be more of a band-aid fix than anything.

[Skykid]

So, apparently getting rid of Time Crisis cabinets at arcades is supposed to solve gun violence.

Great idea, remove all public games within a social environment so that first graders have to stay at home mowing down civilians in airports in Call of Duty.

No-one ever said the Newtown response was going to be intelligent, however.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Apparently there's still a Galaga cab in there at least. Violence is only bad if you're using a 'real' gun I guess!

http://www.telegram.com/article/2013011 ... ATE=MOBILE

Mayor Robert Dolan of ­Melrose said Thursday that the city is launching an initiative aimed at persuading families to get rid of their violent video games, movies, and toys by offer­ing coupons to residents who turn in those items at the city yard.

“If a family has this discussion and maybe tries to get rid of some of this stuff, they are going to get one of these coupons,” Dolan said. “The child may be getting rid of something they like, but they are getting some value for it.”

Under the initiative, called New Year — New Direction, residents who throw away items can retrieve a coupon sheet, which will include deals at local businesses and possibly a “get out of homework free” coupon, Dolan said.

“I’m not saying people shouldn’t have [violent games and toys], but, at least in my house, things have changed since Connecticut,” Dolan said.

[neorichieb1971]

Those are exceptions. Most countries have strict gun laws and there has been no genocides.

So in America, if everyone gave up their guns its automatically assumed you are unarmed, weak with no ability to defend yourselves from a domestic or foreign foe. Which as pointed will likely cause your mass destruction with a press of a button regardless of if you have weapons or not.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, US citizens are killing US citizens. Which as I have pointed out is considered collateral damage no matter how media wrap it up.

Anyhow I just found out my friends dad has 2 rifles or shotguns (can't remember which). I spoke to him about this, apparently a police officer comes out on a semi regular basis to make sure they are secured. He also stuck up for you Americans stating that if a fight broke out in a gun club in the US it would more likely come to a fist fight than shooting the weapons. I find that a little hard to believe.

If you have guns, you have to consider that anyone owning one or having access to one can have a lapse of control. A moment of despair or rage. At that moment, anyone around that person is likely to become a victim. Thats the risk you take. Meanwhile in other countries, people cool off the hard way admitting they are an idiot blah blah blah.. But nobody dies. Today 32 people died in the US due to guns. I guess nobody misses them, bless their little hearts. I will say a prayer.

Let me get this out of the way: Americans don't give a shit about Europeans opinions on guns.

You will never understand Americans on their guns since you weren't born here. Americans don't want to become Europe, that's why we are fucking Americans.

I will only support a ban on guns period of the second amendment is appealed by Congress. Until then I give my 100% support to gun rights. I don't need a gun but if you want to own a gun be my guess. Nowadays you can be killed by anything.

I am sure your just waiting for the moment someone attacks you or your family with a gun so you have an excuse to buy one or get one out of the basement. In almost all gun shooting scenes (American or not), lots of good decent people die before the bad ones do.

My European opinion on guns is this... I'm a decent person (Believe it or not). But I know, as every single decent European person does, that I have less chance of getting shot by a gun than you do. Statistics say 342 times less likely. If you are happy with those statistics thats great.

I guess thats why Americans coined the phrase "have a nice day".. Its another way of saying "make sure you don't get shot today".

It is probably why you seem to have a lot of people who have access to guns who want to suddenly shoot themselves as well. I think i've heard of one person in the UK shoot themselves in my whole lifetime. Why do Americans who shoot innocent people suddenly want to kill themselves as well? You don't get the message if they don't at least leave a note.

[Casey120]

Weapon collector Keith Ratliff, one of the biggest Pro-gun guys, owner of the Youtube weapon channel FPSRussia and working at FPS Industries, a company that develops and tests fire arms twittered not long ago :

I went to the movies with my pistol in my pocket the whole time I was praying that somebody would try to pull a Batman!

That way of thinking is bizarre and scary enough but now he was found dead last week with a bullet in the head, the problem with a gun for self defence is that when someone fires directly aimed towards you its simply over and out with all your knowledge and fancy gear .

[Moniker]

My European opinion on guns is this... I'm a decent person (Believe it or not). But I know, as every single decent European person does, that I have less chance of getting shot by a gun than you do. Statistics say 342 times less likely. If you are happy with those statistics thats great.

Yeah, but you're at least twice as likely to be the victim of violent crime or rape if you live in the UK vs US.

This is besides the point, in my view, but still.

[xbl0x180]

^ If they banned guns you'd still be American. Trust me.

This made me laugh.

But seriously, as a teacher I was thinking about this today because of course there was a school shooting just yesterday and I was wondering how having armed guards or whatever on campus is going to achieve. In every case like this the shooter hasn't had any problem killing themselves...it isn't about surviving, it is about showing the world that how they feel--addressing universal apathy in about the only way it can't be ignored. Having someone else on the campus with a gun might mean that the slaughter can be stopped sooner, but an automatic weapon can wipe out a room of kids in seconds. In other words, it isn't a deterrent at all.

I'm wondering why the schools just don't take the next step and have a metal detector test to get in the school. Ultimately it can't be more expensive than paying for an armed guard and would help restrict a whole array of things that probably shouldn't be on campus. I'm sure there are obstacles to this, but there are obstacles to every possible solution other than ignore the problem and go on. Public schools already do random searches and metal detector tests, so why not just beef it up and scan everybody TSA style.

Why wait to get into school when you can just mow them down by pulling the fire alarm as they drill outside of the building?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_J ... rew_Golden

If that had been my little brother or little sister getting shot by these brats, I wouldn't think twice about snuffing their parents

[BryanM]

Yeah, but you're at least twice as likely to be the victim of violent crime or rape if you live in the UK vs US.

If I've learned anything on the internet, it's how cludgy and incompatible crime statistics are, for what should really be a very simple comparison.

One of the craziest aspects of these stats is how the default is; that you can't raep anyone using a vagina.

That way of thinking is bizarre and scary enough but now he was found dead last week with a bullet in the head

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